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[Master Warder Z_]

lol!

no.

Then you aren't doing what you claimed.

One is the martial order of warriors who are highly equipped, well trained and consist of some of the best soldiers in the world.

The other is a defeated and broken rebellion on its last leg.

[MyKingdomCold]

Eh, as far as we know, unless you metagame and decide from outside knowledge or previous playthroughs,  all you know is you're getting either the templars or magi to help close the breach.  You have no knowledge of anything beyond that. At least I don't you do, so it's up for you to decide which group is better equipped to help close the breach.

[Sunnie]

Then you aren't doing what you claimed.

One is the martial order of warriors who are highly equipped, well trained and consist of some of the best soldiers in the world.

The other is a defeated and broken rebellion on its last leg.

I never claimed to be doing, anything?

 

Lets see....

One is a group of abusive/murderous prison guards consisting of people committing some of the worst massacres of innocents in Thedas history.

 

The other is a group of oppressed people who are fighting for the same freedom everyone else enjoys.

[The Baconer]

I wonder how many Templars are actually saved at Therinfal when you do Champions of the Just. If you go by the numbers in the great hall, one might think the handful that help you close the Breach are literally the only survivors. But then there are some more dudes that pop into existence right after you beat Envy, so... Very strange.

[Master Warder Z_]

I never claimed anything

My mistake you aren't willow.

Why you'd respond is a odd thing but not surprising.

But you can spew your pro mage vitriol elsewhere

[Jedi Master of Orion]

When Cullen talks about the Wardens and Templars being corrupted to serve evil after Here Lies the Abyss, if Champions of the Just is completed, you can mention that you saved "most of" the templars, and he agrees.

[Master Warder Z_]

I wonder how many Templars are actually saved at Therinfal when you do Champions of the Just. If you go by the numbers in the great hall, one might think the handful that help you close the Breach are literally the only survivors. But then there are some more dudes that pop into existence right after you beat Envy, so... Very strange.

Not really considering Cullen pointedly states that only Veterans come to seal the breach.

The game itself tells you that isn't all of them.

[The Baconer]

Not really considering Cullen pointedly states that only Veterans come to seal the breach.

The game itself tells you that isn't all of them.

 

I know that is what's stated, but if we're going by what we're shown, it looks like a good 90% of them were already massacred after our first trip from the great hall. I just wish the game were more specific in critical details like that.

[Master Warder Z_]

I know that is what's stated, but if we're going by what we're shown, it looks like a good 90% of them were already massacred after our first trip from the great hall. I just wish the game were more specific in critical details like that.

Your shown oddles of Templars after Champions of the Just

[The Baconer]

Your shown oddles of Templars after Champions of the Just

 

Yes, but from where? Like I said, the group that assembled in the great hall looks like it gets cut down to 4-6 men. Aside from that, we can catch a glimpse of like 1 or 2 low-poly models fighting on the ramparts in the distance. Even the fresh faces that miraculously appear to greet you after the Envy fight are barely a dozen. From a role-playing perspective, the mission looks and feels like a failure for the most part, but we are left to assume that we rescued a larger number, and we see some clumps of Templars around Skyhold.

 

But I want to know, or at least have a better idea of, how significant their inclusion is for the Inquisition, numbers wise. If you take the mages instead, there are enough Red Templars to cover the face of a mountain, as the battle at Haven would imply, so my questions would be: if we go to Therinfal, how many Templars out of that potential army are saved and rolled into the Inquisition, how many end up with the reds anyway, and how many die in the fighting?

[Master Warder Z_]

Ask Bioware

[Sunnie]

My mistake you aren't willow.

Why you'd respond is a odd thing but not surprising.

But you can spew your pro mage vitriol elsewhere

Oh, I was just playing your game. Sorry! Whats the difference between pro mage vitriol and pro templar vitriol? No, don't answer that, I guess I need to be in a special club to play along. My bad!

[Master Warder Z_]

How about you go to the funfair

[andy6915]

So if I might interrupt this argument...

 

I ended up choosing to go to the templars, with Tevinter cultists being my eventual Haven enemy. So I made my choice. My RP reasons are basically what I said, I didn't want anything to do with Tevinter and the part about me walking into a trap on purpose sounded too risky.

[Boost32]

Yes, but from where? Like I said, the group that assembled in the great hall looks like it gets cut down to 4-6 men. Aside from that, we can catch a glimpse of like 1 or 2 low-poly models fighting on the ramparts in the distance. Even the fresh faces that miraculously appear to greet you after the Envy fight are barely a dozen. From a role-playing perspective, the mission looks and feels like a failure for the most part, but we are left to assume that we rescued a larger number, and we see some clumps of Templars around Skyhold.
 
But I want to know, or at least have a better idea of, how significant their inclusion is for the Inquisition, numbers wise. If you take the mages instead, there are enough Red Templars to cover the face of a mountain, as the battle at Haven would imply, so my questions would be: if we go to Therinfal, how many Templars out of that potential army are saved and rolled into the Inquisition, how many end up with the reds anyway, and how many die in the fighting?

I think the templars at the hall are the ones you rallied, not all templars. When you are going after Envy, you can see several templars fighting against the reds in the courtyard, so not all templars at Therinfal were with you.

[themageguy]

I prefer siding with the Templars.

I find Calpernia and her side mission much more interesting and gives a little insight into the big bad.

Certain animations when closing the breach and when in the templar of mythal seem to favor siding with Templars and having venatori as your enemy hint- a red templar horror should not be wielding flame :/

Also Ser Barris is much more interesting in comparison to Fiona- table missions and a knighting? Nice.
I was frustrated in my first ever play through that Fiona did nothing.

My favourite Inquisitor was a loyalist believer who became a Knight enchanter and allied with the Templars. A very satisfying play through.

My next Dalish mage will most likely conscript the Templars. As a Dalish mage, there wouldn't be too much kinship with Circle mages turned rebels, and i will go with what if pouring more power into the breach makes it worse and who better to turn to than the Templars.

[draken-heart]

I am re-trying a dalish mage, and really hate this choice:

• On the one hand, siding with the mages gives me Alexius, and as a mage, it is hard to justify allying with the Templars, though I cannot do that without hurting a ton of companions' approval.
• On the other hand, it makes sense to go for the Templars, as this is magic you need help with, and the Templars seem the best to do it. Never conscripted them, but with the loss of approval, I would need to do alot of judgements in favor of the companions that lose approval to get that back.

as for the enemies, I do not know, they seems to function similar to each other, so they could be replaced by each other for any reason.

[themageguy]

Ah i forgot that Alexius can become an agent!

Still....Barris is much better than Fiona.

if they gave Fiona a war table mission or two, id be a happy mage!

[Serelir]

I didn't have any problem with the approval loss when I conscripted the Templars. I'm actively trying to get companions to dislike me on my current playthrough and finding it difficult to stir up enough hatred. Still, if you can't use Barris after conscripting the Templars, there's little point in doing it except for the personal satisfaction.

 

You get to ask Fiona all sorts of questions, but she does just stand there. I'm not convinced she isn't a doppelgänger anyway.

[The Baconer]

I didn't have any problem with the approval loss when I conscripted the Templars. I'm actively trying to get companions to dislike me on my current playthrough and finding it difficult to stir up enough hatred. Still, if you can't use Barris after conscripting the Templars, there's little point in doing it except for the personal satisfaction.

 

Personal satisfaction is all you need, plus you can change it in the Keep later to "make up" for it, in a way.

 

RP-wise, I feel like conscription is the vastly smarter choice anyway.

[Lulupab]

Southern mages have done nothing to the Dalish, Templars on the other hand...

 

The answer is quite clear.

 

The venatori are not "southern" but they do use southern mages.

[Boost32]

Southern mages have done nothing to the Dalish, Templars on the other hand...
 
The answer is quite clear.
 
The venatori are not "southern" but they do use southern mages.

Its not like the southern mages helped in the invasion of the Dales...

[Lulupab]

Its not like the southern mages helped in the invasion of the Dales...

 

They were not the authority, so no. I think we both know what happens to mages who disobey. The chantry at that time was directly connected to Templars.

 

And its not just that, here we have mages rebelling against the chantry authority, the one that ordered that Dales must fall and used its Templars to do it. Orlais and chantry are also connected, Orlais being the main and primary benefactor and follower of chantry.

 

Solas seems to agree, and I think its evidence enough.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its not like the southern mages helped in the invasion of the Dales...

Good little mages knew their place back then

[Boost32]

They were not the authority, so no. I think we both know what happens to mages who disobey. The chantry at that time was directly connected to Templars.

And its not just that, here we have mages rebelling against the chantry authority, the one that ordered that Dales must fall and used its Templars to do it. Orlais and chantry are also connected, Orlais being the main and primary benefactor and follower of chantry.

Solas seems to agree, and I think its evidence enough.

You said they had done nothing against the Dalish, I proved that they did, you trying to justify them doesn't change anything.

Good little mages knew their place back then

Vivienne put them in their place when she became Divine in my game, so they just need someone to remember their place.