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[Panda]

It's funny when liberals whine about Fox News like every other major media outlet isn't in the tank for the Democrat party. It's tiring when they resort to name calling because they have nothing substantive to add to a discussion about anything.

I thought Fox new shittyness was common knowledge ^^;

[The Heretic of Time]

I thought Fox new shittyness was common knowledge ^^;

I'd argue Fox News is far from the worst offender out there these days. Social-Liberal media outlets are way worse.

[Panda]

I'd argue Fox News is far from the worst offender out there these days. Social-Liberal media outlets are way worse.

 

Don't know about those, it's just that Fox news are pretty infamous world-wide, well it's probaply most infamous media in whole world

 

And it's not like it doesn't deserve it's bad rep, just look any video from fox news in youtube and you will get it ^^;

[SubjectZer0]

I said you're minimizing it, not dismissing it. Now who's putting words in whose mouth? You're equating what goes on in the US with what goes on in the MIddle East and there is simply no comparison. It's not just homophobia; that could be anything that a gay person feels offends them or a way to escape dealing with something. There are State sponsored executions.

 
I'm not dismissing or minimizing anything. I said homophobia is a worldwide issue. It's not just a problem in certain parts of the world and yes it's worse in certain places than others but homophobia is still a worldwide problem.

Again, while you're right that we can't know the exact number, there's no way it amounts to a significant percentage.

I've explained this to you already but I'll explain it again. Homophobia has caused a lot of Gay people to identify as straight so you saying there's no way the amount of Gay people in the world is not a significant percentage is just an opinion and nothing more.

Get over it.

Nope.

You're the one getting upset. The rest of us are annoyed at your nonsense, but it's also laughable.

Not upset, I love this. I love fighting with homophobes and proving you wrong.

I have a hard time believing you personally know people, plural, who were killed for being gay because it's so rare.

You think I care if you believe me........? No, I don't.

If you do, so be it, but it's still very rare in the West.

Are you Gay? I would hope you're not because wow if you are, you have some serious issues of self hatred to deal with.

Anyway why is a straight person saying how rare homophobia in America is...you've never experienced homophobia so how would you know?

No, it's not at all. There is no way that many people are gay but simply hiding it. If heterosexuality were not the vast norm, how would a species sustain itself?

Um...what? You don't need straight people to make a baby lol.

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Natureguy said the majority of people are straight, you said not true I assume you have evidence for such a world shattering revelation.


But you somehow can safely say the majority of humans are not heterosexual.
 
Through the power of the internet, I got the stats of people who ID as homosexual in the modern world, which is generally more accepting of homosexuals:
 
US: 3.4%,
UK: 1.4-10%
France: 9.7%
Australia: 3.1% 
Ireland: 3.9%
Italy: 2.4%
Brazil: 7.8%
 
Oh noes, the heterosexual population is still the vast majority.
 
Where's your evidence then?

I said this and I keep saying but those surveys don't mean anything. Many Gay people are ashamed to identify as Gay because of homophobic straight people so there's no way to get a specific number of Gay people.

Well, this has so much fun and proving you all wrong has been amazing and I've gotten so many laughs from this but I have better things to do than fight with homophobes on a forum who keep repeating themselves over and over.

[SubjectZer0]

USian answer: They get mad because they're usually libertarian/republican dude bros who think Fox News is journalism and that the representation of the white, cis male straight protagonist in 95% of video games isn't political, but "social justice warriors" asking for more and better representation is "OMG, dudebros everywhere are under attack! P Ceeeeeeeeee! Stop pushing your agenda on meeeeee! Waaaahhhhhhh!" They operate under magical thinking--playable characters that represent them are "normal" and the default....anything else is "political correctness" run amok, the agenda of destroying all. white. males. They're full of it and they don't even know it. Also, they tend to say things such as "Anita Sarkeesiannnnnnnnnn!", "____________ agenda" and "gamer gate is about ethics in journalism" (that last one is particularly snort-inducing).
In short, they're bigots.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!! This post should be hanging in the Louvre next to the Mona Lisa tbQh!

Read these sexist, racist, homophobic bigots for F I L T H!

[Star fury]

It's funny when liberals whine about Fox News like every other major media outlet isn't in the tank for the Democrat party. It's tiring when they resort to name calling because they have nothing substantive to add to a discussion about anything.

What "major media outlet" can you name who serves as Fox News serve as a propaganda arm for Republicans? Msnbc can be a somewhat close example but even that is a stretch. Anyway Jon Stewart is my main source of political news from the USA.

[PhroXenGold]

As they say, reality has a liberal bias....

[Fixers0]

I said this and I keep saying but those surveys don't mean anything. Many Gay people are ashamed to identify as Gay because of homophobic straight people so there's no way to get a specific number of Gay people.

 

This literally is the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard by someone trying to absolve himself of the burden of the proof. Perhaps you should consider sharring the evidence behind how you got to know that gay people are lying on mass in surveys about their sexual orientation.

 

Besides, if there were some many gay people, as you seem to suggest, then they wouldn't have to be so afraid of straight people, right. it's not like their doing anthing that's illegal, in western countries, that is.

[daveliam]

The suggestion that the majority of the population isn't straight is kind of silly.  There's zero evidence to support it.

 

That being said, the idea that you can accurately glean the % of LGBT people from self-reported survey data, while homosexuality is still persecuted (both socially and legally) in much of the world, is also silly.  The fact that the % of LGBT identifying people is continuing to increase year after year should be evidence, not that the numbers of LGBT are actually increasing, but that more LGBT people are able to openly express their sexuality.   What those number represent are not the % of LGBT people, but instead the % of LGBT people willing to self-identify on a survey.  It's the bottom range of the data.  The lowest % for LGBT is 3-10% (using the data that was provided earlier).  It's likely a bit higher than that.  How much higher?  Not sure.  But almost certainly not over 50%.  Likely nowhere even near that number.

 

How do I know that people would lie on a self-report survey?  Because I can guarantee that if I went back in time and offered that survey to myself back when I was in the closet in college, I'd identify as straight on it out of fear that being honest would get me outed.  If I would have been willing to misrepresent myself (and I'm super liberal with a supporting family, no religious convictions, and live in the progressive NE of America), then it goes without saying that there are many others who would as well. 

 

But, frankly, isn't this all a little OT?  Shouldn't we be talking about non-white PCs?

[Former_Fiend]

So, and this is just me, but it wouldn't bother me one bit if the advertised protagonist was black, white, east Asian, Polynesian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Native American, Latin American, or anything else I missed. 

[daveliam]

I was reading the Fear the Walking Dead board at IMDB and there was not one but TWO threads there about people who weren't going to watch the show because there was no white male lead. I thought of BSN right away. Not that many people here would care if the marketing was focused on a non-white lead, but the conversations that would happen here if someone made a similar statement.

[Steelcan]

Good to see BSN is still keeping up for ts reputation for insanity

[General TSAR]

 I said this and I keep saying but those surveys don't mean anything. Many Gay people are ashamed to identify as Gay because of homophobic straight people so there's no way to get a specific number of Gay people.

"Research studies and census data don't be real." 

 

Still waiting scientific evidence that supports your earlier claim that straight people don't make up the vast majority.

Well, this has so much fun and proving you all wrong has been amazing and I've gotten so many laughs from this but I have better things to do than fight with homophobes on a forum who keep repeating themselves over and over.

And yet here you are.

 

BTW, calling those who call you out on your logic as 'homophobic' is pretty petty. 

 

 

Good to see BSN is still keeping up for ts reputation for insanity

 

I just want my scientific evidence. 

[MisterJB]

There is nothing hanging next to Mona Lisa in the Louvre. It has a wall all for itself with guards and cordons.

[Han Shot First]

If the protagonist isn't going to be of European descent, I vote for Maori...whether male or female.

 

I'm fairly certain there has probably never been a Polynesian protagonist in any game, ever. So, why not.

 

Maori warrior culture is interesting.

 

And, if it means a protagonist with a Kiwi accent maybe it means we'll get Sam Neill as the male protagonist. 

[Former_Fiend]

If the protagonist isn't going to be of European descent, I vote for Maori...whether male or female.

 

I'm fairly certain there is probably never been a Polynesian protagonist in any game, ever. So, why not.

 

Maori warrior culture is interesting.

 

And, if it means a protagonist with a Kiwi accent maybe it means we'll get Sam Neill as the male protagonist. 

 

You would actually be wrong about that. Mark of Kri and it's sequel, Rise of the Kasai both feature Polynesian protagonist - at the very least, fantasy equivalents. The main character even uses a taiaha. 

 

Granted, aside from those, can't think of one. 

[Han Shot First]

 

You would actually be wrong about that. Mark of Kri and it's sequel, Rise of the Kasai both feature Polynesian protagonist - at the very least, fantasy equivalents. The main character even uses a taiaha. 

 

Granted, aside from those, can't think of one. 

 

I stand corrected. I had never heard of either game. Interestingly, it seems like Jack Wall scored both. 

[General TSAR]

If the protagonist isn't going to be of European descent, I vote for Maori...whether male or female.

 

I'm fairly certain there has probably never been a Polynesian protagonist in any game, ever. So, why not.

 

Maori warrior culture is interesting.

 

And, if it means a protagonist with a Kiwi accent maybe it means we'll get Sam Neill as the male protagonist. 

That's a good idea.

 

There's been an awful lack of Pacific Islander characters in video games.

[RINNZ]

Arkham Knight boys.

Who's ready to be the night?

[Former_Fiend]

If they go with a Polynesian protagonist, they should either use Roman Reigns(Samoan) or Manu Bennett(Maori) as the reference models. 

[Natureguy85]

I thought Fox new shittyness was common knowledge ^^;

 

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. My point was that it's one network where all the others have as much or more of a liberal bent.

 

 
I'm not dismissing or minimizing anything. I said homophobia is a worldwide issue. It's not just a problem in certain parts of the world and yes it's worse in certain places than others but homophobia is still a worldwide problem.

I've explained this to you already but I'll explain it again. Homophobia has caused a lot of Gay people to identify as straight so you saying there's no way the amount of Gay people in the world is not a significant percentage is just an opinion and nothing more.

Nope.

Not upset, I love this. I love fighting with homophobes and proving you wrong.

You think I care if you believe me........? No, I don't.

Are you Gay? I would hope you're not because wow if you are, you have some serious issues of self hatred to deal with.

Anyway why is a straight person saying how rare homophobia in America is...you've never experienced homophobia so how would you know?

Um...what? You don't need straight people to make a baby lol.

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I said this and I keep saying but those surveys don't mean anything. Many Gay people are ashamed to identify as Gay because of homophobic straight people so there's no way to get a specific number of Gay people.

Well, this has so much fun and proving you all wrong has been amazing and I've gotten so many laughs from this but I have better things to do than fight with homophobes on a forum who keep repeating themselves over and over.

 

 

You haven't proved anything. You simply said I was wrong with nothing to back up your statement.

 

I have granted you that plenty of gay people would hide it, even on an anonymous survey. However, it's foolish to think there are enough to make up a significant dent in the overall population. Claim it all you want, you have no evidence, let alone proof.

 

You'll see homophobia everywhere if you keep expanding the definition. However, if you could read, I said gay people aren't being killed for being gay very often in the West. Unless the media is hiding it, of course, but here they are quick to throw anything like that on the front page.

 

No, you don't need straight people to have a baby but they account for most of the children being born because men and women want to have sex with each other.

 

I really don't think you do have better things to do based on the low quality of your comments.

 

 

What "major media outlet" can you name who serves as Fox News serve as a propaganda arm for Republicans? Msnbc can be a somewhat close example but even that is a stretch. Anyway Jon Stewart is my main source of political news from the USA.

 

I think you mean which would I compare on the left? MSNBC is the worst, sure, but you also have CNN, ABC, CBS, and of course NBC itself. Whatever you think of Fox's overall reporting, it has more liberal commentators and contributors than the other networks have conservatives.

[OhNoWhyHow]

Can someone provide an example of a character generator that does a *good* job at making non white protagonists?  I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I hear this complaint a lot and yet I see (what seems to me anyway) perfectly normal looking black/Asian/etc. folk in ME and now in DA.

 

I just went back and started playing Fallout New Vegas this last week and it has an explicit "pick your race" component at the beginning and I thought the other models just looked like white people with the skin changed.  Yet once I started playing, a good 60% of everybody that isn't black looks Asian to me.

 

My point is that once the generator allows for a wide variety of skin tones and hair styles and it's got sliders that allow you to alter the face so much you can create this, doesn't it all just get really subjective after that about what a "proper" *insert ethnic group here* person looks like?

[Former_Fiend]

Can someone provide an example of a character generator that does a *good* job at making non white protagonists?  I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I hear this complaint a lot and yet I see (what seems to me anyway) perfectly normal looking black/Asian/etc. folk in ME and now in DA.

 

I just went back and started playing Fallout New Vegas this last week and it has an explicit "pick your race" component at the beginning and I thought the other models just looked like white people with the skin changed.  Yet once I started playing, a good 60% of everybody that isn't black looks Asian to me.

 

My point is that once the generator allows for a wide variety of skin tones and hair styles and it's got sliders that allow you to alter the face so much you can create this, doesn't it all just get really subjective after that about what a "proper" *insert ethnic group here* person looks like?

 

Fallout 4's character generator looks like it does a very good job in this regard. 

[OhNoWhyHow]

Are there any games currently out that fit the mold?  I just frankly find it impossible to believe there's not a single current game that does it decently.

[Former_Fiend]

Are there any games currently out that fit the mold?  I just frankly find it impossible to believe there's not a single current game that does it decently.

 

The WWE games tend to have very high quality character creation systems that make creating a variety of races viable. Don't know if you're a fan of wrestling games, though.