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[LiL Reapur]

 

Looks like Commander Shepard did a fusion with the illusive man

 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

When you say "don't want", did you really mean "want"? If not, your comment makes no sense. In fact either way it makes no sense. Voice acting can be done by anyone, unless you are suggesting krogans and turians and elves and dwarves have to be voiced only by real members of those species.

 

Yep, that was a typo on my part.

 

 

Anyone can do voice acting but when you have that many lines, it's a lot of work to have two voice actors for each in-game species, or voice actors with different accents for ethnicity/race.

 

 

I don't think characters race, in terms of skin color/ethnicity, has much to do with dialogue.

 

People from different places and of different cultures have different voices. You'd need different VAs to handle different versions of the same character.
 

[aoibhealfae]

Looks like Commander Shepard did a fusion with the illusive man

 

plot-twist, Shepard is TIM's long lost son O_O

[DaemionMoadrin]

plot-twist, Shepard is TIM's long lost son O_O

 

Extra twist: Throughout the three games Shepard was female.

[Natureguy85]

The study of representation of race and gender in video games and the abstract : The results show a systematic over-representation of males, white and adults and a systematic under-representation of females, Hispanics, Native Americans, children and the elderly.

 

 

At first glance, you wouldn't know that they're all just commercial placeholder for characters that was customizable and gender neutral. But in terms of representation, these people represent the human ideals and the standard for the game... which coincidentally skewed to a very specific demographic.

 

 

 

Hey, that Inquisitor is clearly sickly yellow, not white.

 

It's probably a simple result of Bioware being in Canada, a majority white county, and neighbor to the US, a majority white country.

[SnakeCode]

Rude sure, but how is it racist? It's genuine curiosity.

 

They call them "micro-aggressions" look it up, everything is racist now. Especially treating everybody equal regardless of skin colour. Martin Luther King is rolling over in his grave.

[Steelcan]

Rude sure, but how is it racist? It's genuine curiosity.

because it is based on the assumption that non-white people are outsiders.

I don't really think its racist, but I can understand why some people would be irritated by it.

[Toasted Llama]

Rude sure, but how is it racist? It's genuine curiosity.

 

Well, it's pretty subtle in how that question is racist (which is why not everyone believes the question to be racist). It's not racist as in the superiority definition, but the prejudice definition.

 

The prejudice part comes in when you look at who receives the question the most often or is most likely to receive such a question in the western countries: people of colour. It is "assumed" that because someone has a different skin colour, they must come from somewhere else. This question isn't asked when someone is of the same skin colour.

 

For the sake of simplicity I'm going to use foreign in the most basic definition:

for·eign

 (fôr′ĭn, fŏr′-)adj.1.

a. Located away from one's native country: on business in a foreign city.

 

 

As a European citizen I've seen this pretty often:

A white german of Russian descent will not be questioned if they have no accent - they are assumed to be german.

A black german of African descent will be questioned, even if they have no accent - they are assumed to be foreign.

 

Or to go even further:

A white american of Australian descent will not be questioned if they have no accent - they are assumed to be American.

A hispanic/latino american of Mexican descent will be questioned, even if they have no accent - they are assumed to be foreign.

The former came from another continent, the latter from a neighbouring country.

 

And that is where the prejudice part lies in the question: the prejudice that people of colour must be foreign, but white people are not, despite the fact that white people are the majority in 3 different areas (US + Canada, Europe and Australia + New Zealand), spread over dozens of different countries, on 3 entirely different continents. They could be as foreign as the people of colour. In fact; the white population from the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand could be considered just as foreign as the black and asian populations in those countries.

[Panda]

People from different places and of different cultures have different voices. You'd need different VAs to handle different versions of the same character.

 

Our characters despite skin color are usually from one place in Bioware's games, in DA either Ferelden or Free Marches (no different accents needed) and english seemingly has become first language of all humans in ME regardless where they are from so accents aren't so needed either. I'm not against having accents, liked having french one in Saint Row, but I don't think it's mandatory on what comes having non-white characters.

 

EDIT: To put it simply different voices are based mostly on where you have grown up and since that doesn't have to be different no matter ethnicity it's not required in my opinion.

[General TSAR]

I still don't get how it's racist. If you're curious about someone's background, ask them about it. If they don't want to answer, fine. If they want to answer, fine. In my opinion It's much better to ask someone their background and get labeled as rude than make assumptions and get labeled as a bigot. 

[Fixers0]

As a European citizen I've seen this pretty often:

A white german of Russian descent will not be questioned if they have no accent - they are assumed to be german.

A black german of African descent will be questioned, even if they have no accent - they are assumed to be foreign.

 

Or to go even further:

A white american of Australian descent will not be questioned if they have no accent - they are assumed to be American.

A hispanic/latino american of Mexican descent will be questioned, even if they have no accent - they are assumed to be foreign.

The former came from another continent, the latter from a neighbouring country.

 

And that is where the prejudice part lies in the question: the prejudice that people of colour must be foreign, but white people are not, despite the fact that white people are the majority in 3 different areas (US + Canada, Europe and Australia + New Zealand), spread over dozens of different countries, on 3 entirely different continents. They could be as foreign as the people of colour. In fact; the white population from the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand could be considered just as foreign as the black and asian populations in those countries.

 

Gee, what a shocking revelation, now here's the thing: Most people who are native to western countries are white so it's statistically logical for them to assume that person of colour has a higher chance of being foreign than a person who is white.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Our characters despite skin color are usually from one place in Bioware's games, in DA either Ferelden or Free Marches (no different accents needed) and english seemingly has become first language of all humans in ME regardless where they are from so accents aren't so needed either. I'm not against having accents, liked having french one in Saint Row, but I don't think it's mandatory on what comes having non-white characters.

 

EDIT: To put it simply different voices are based mostly on where you have grown up and since that doesn't have to be different no matter ethnicity it's not required in my opinion.

 

It's not mandatory, but we have characters like Anderson and the Taylors. They all seem to have black American accents. If they do, what's to say that a black Andomeda-protagonist shouldn't, either? And if we had that, there should probably be a female too, etc. Might as well cover what's in-game.

[Steelcan]

I still don't get how it's racist. If you're curious about someone's background, ask them about it. If they don't want to answer, fine. If they want to answer, fine. In my opinion It's much better to ask someone their background and get labeled as rude than make assumptions and get labeled as a bigot.

its "racist" because its not based in curiosity but the assumption that non-white people are foreigners automatically

[Jorji Costava]

I still don't get how it's racist. If you're curious about someone's background, ask them about it. If they don't want to answer, fine. If they want to answer, fine. In my opinion It's much better to ask someone their background and get labeled as rude than make assumptions and get labeled as a bigot. 

 

Well, I did once have a person I'd never met, seen or spoken to before just walk up to me and indignantly ask, "Dude, what are you?! Are you Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern or what?!" Admittedly, my appearance is pretty racially ambiguous, but I thought that was a pretty dumb thing to do: It carries the connotation of "You're weird." If you're genuinely curious about someone's heritage and ask politely, then I don't have a problem with it personally, but I guess I can see why some people would still be annoyed, because maybe they feel like they're being defined by their ethnicity in another person's eyes.

[Evamitchelle]

I still don't get how it's racist. If you're curious about someone's background, ask them about it. If they don't want to answer, fine. If they want to answer, fine. In my opinion It's much better to ask someone their background and get labeled as rude than make assumptions and get labeled as a bigot. 

 

It's low-key telling people they don't belong because of their race. Also the main problem is not people asking you "where are you from ?", it's when they follow up with "no but where are you really from ?" if you've given them an answer they don't think is good enough. I personally see it as more ignorant and obnoxious that outright racist though. 

[Panda]

It's not mandatory, but we have characters like Anderson and the Taylors. They all seem to have black American accents. If they do, what's to say that a black Andomeda-protagonist shouldn't, either? And if we had that, there should probably be a female too, etc. Might as well cover what's in-game.

 

There is black-American accent?

[Toasted Llama]

Gee, what a shocking revelation, now here's the thing: Most people who are native to western countries are white so it's statistically logical for them to assume that person of colour has a higher chance of being foreign than a person who is white.

"Native to western countries"
 

White Americans, Canadians, Australians and New Zealand...ers? are not native to those countries at all.

[DaemionMoadrin]

its "racist" because its not based in curiosity but the assumption that non-white people are foreigners automatically

 

It's not racist unless you go out of your way to make it so.

 

It depends on circumstances. If it comes up during conversation, then asking is totally okay. If you imply that being foreign is somehow bad, then it's racist.

 

For example... my neighbours are arabic, most likely muslims. I've talked with them about quite a few things but never once asked where they come from or what they do in here. It's not my business and unless they mention something, I'm not going to ask.

If "Where are you from?" was the first thing I said to them, then that would have been rude, but not racist.

[Steelcan]

There is black-American accent?

yes. But calling it "lower income black American" takes a bit longer be t would be moreaccuratee. Anderson and Jacob don't really have it.

[CrybabyXD]

I created a Black Male Shep as my Main in The Trilogy so i think u can. 

[Panda]

Well, it's pretty subtle in how that question is racist (which is why not everyone believes the question to be racist). It's not racist as in the superiority definition, but the prejudice definition.

 

The prejudice part comes in when you look at who receives the question the most often or is most likely to receive such a question in the western countries: people of colour. It is "assumed" that because someone has a different skin colour, they must come from somewhere else. This question isn't asked when someone is of the same skin colour.

 

For the sake of simplicity I'm going to use foreign in the most basic definition:

for·eign

 (fôr′ĭn, fŏr′-)adj.1.

a. Located away from one's native country: on business in a foreign city.

 

 

As a European citizen I've seen this pretty often:

A white german of Russian descent will not be questioned if they have no accent - they are assumed to be german.

A black german of African descent will be questioned, even if they have no accent - they are assumed to be foreign.

 

Or to go even further:

A white american of Australian descent will not be questioned if they have no accent - they are assumed to be American.

A hispanic/latino american of Mexican descent will be questioned, even if they have no accent - they are assumed to be foreign.

The former came from another continent, the latter from a neighbouring country.

 

And that is where the prejudice part lies in the question: the prejudice that people of colour must be foreign, but white people are not, despite the fact that white people are the majority in 3 different areas (US + Canada, Europe and Australia + New Zealand), spread over dozens of different countries, on 3 entirely different continents. They could be as foreign as the people of colour. In fact; the white population from the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand could be considered just as foreign as the black and asian populations in those countries.

 

But then again if you are in Japan or some other Asian countries and speak language with no accent and you aren't Asian you will very likely be assumed as foreigner as well. So I don't really know if that's prejudice or more of what people are used to.

[General TSAR]

I still don't get it. I'll stick with (politely) asking people their background and accepting their answers or non-answers. 

 

If that implies subtle bigotry or xenophobia, meh. 

[Steelcan]

"Native to western countries"
 
White Americans, Canadians, Australians and New Zealand...ers? are not native to those countries at all.

. There has been continuous settlement of those areas by whiter people for nigh on 500 years in some places.

They've developed their own accents and cultures that differ, sometimes very significantly from their original one. Saying they aren't "native" just seems a little contrarian

[Steelcan]

But then again if you are in Japan or some other Asian countries and speak language with no accent and you aren't Asian you will very likely be assumed as foreigner as well. So I don't really know if that's prejudice or more of what people are used to.

no its definitely prejudice in Japan's case.

Xenophobia is second nature there

[Zazzerka]

Reading this thread, I learn I am no longer a native of the country my great-grandparents were born in. No longer a native of the country my white grandfather fought to defend in the second largest war the Earth has ever seen.