..... What is going on in here
Its now racist to say that different races sound slightly different....
It's not racist so much as someone stupidly misinterpreting the reasons that various humans sound different as having something to do with (virtually nonexistent) morphological differences between racial/ ethnic groups instead of linguistics.
This argument is dumb. People who speak the same language sound different because of the environment they were raised in, not their race.
I know a 30-something east asian woman who speaks with a perfectly authentic valley-girl voice. It completely threw me off the first time I heard her speak.
No one had used the word "superior" or "challenged" until aoi. You can check.
She is the one who keeps insisting "different" means "superior and inferior".
Not really the point. There's really no such thing as "sounding white" unless "white" means a specific cultural dialect. Morphological "differences" between racial groups of humans are completely insignificant as far as vocalizing is concerned. Synchronic, diachronic, ethnic and social factors are the only ones that are important as far as the field of Linguistics is concerned.
okay, sarcasm aside- when some of you said it very quaintly that anyone who is not white americans (because you said it yourself europeans are 'different' and some 'whites' are descendant from the British isles but not all of them) are genetically incapable to be proficient enough, it does mean you think are inferior than others because you think people are physically different because they're of a different race.
Well, racial differences aren't genetics, in fact we only have 0.5-0.1% nucleotide differences on average between people. Racial classifications is cultural. Physical differences like skin tone, eye color and hair color and predisposition to certain diseases are product of evolution and statistically depends on genetic drifts of a population and geographical variations. And for most part of the world, every population are linguistically diverse. Just because you hear them sounded different because they're different people than yours, doesn't mean they're incapable to sound like you in time especially when they're talking in the same language as yours.
My god, do you walk into your local mall and saw someone who isn't the right racial attributes and do you judge them immediately how they're going to sound different because of their race? Do you have a specific perception or guide about how certain race should sound like?
I thought people are generally happier when they're able to communicate in the same language regardless of regional accent or level of proficiency but apparently for some.... nope....
and what are these obsession with labeling people by color anyway?
Not that this will be contributing to the discussion at all, but I have always been confused why we use 'race' when talking about different cultures and other physical features. I mean we are all human beings, and we can all interbreed with each other so why use the term? When I hear the word 'race' I tend to think of elves or dwarves, Vulcans or Klingons, etc. beings that are actually from a completely separate point of origin.
Really all of our various features and traits are just various breeds of our species; like dogs. Wouldn't it be more actuate to describe our different 'races' as 'breeds'? You don't go to the pet shop and ask for a pit bull race, or a french poodle race, there're all just different traits breed into existence from the same baseline dog.
okay, sarcasm aside- when some of you said it very quaintly that anyone who is not white americans (because you said it yourself europeans are 'different' and some 'whites' are descendant from them but not all of them) are genetically incapable to be proficient enough, it does mean you think are inferior than others because you think people are physically different because they're of a different race.
Well, racial differences aren't genetics, in fact we only have 0.5-0.1% nucleotide differences on average between people. Racial classifications is cultural. Physical differences like skin tone, eye color and hair color and predisposition to certain diseases are product of evolution and statistically depends on genetic drifts of a population and geographical variations. And for most part of the world, every population are linguistically diverse. Just because you hear them sounded different because they're different people than yours, doesn't mean they're incapable to sound like you in time especially when they're talking in the same language as yours.
My god, do you walk into your local mall and saw someone who isn't the right racial attributes and do you judge them immediately how they're going to sound different because of their race? Do you have a specific perception or guide about how certain race should sound like?
I thought people are generally happier when they're able to communicate in the same language regardless of regional accent or level of proficiency but apparently for some.... nope....
and what are these obsession with labeling people by color anyway?
Knock it off, will you? This isn't tumblr.
When I hear the word 'race' I tend to think of elves or dwarves, Vulcans or Klingons, etc.
Well...don't. Those would more accurately be referred to as species.
Well...don't. Those would more accurately be referred to as species.
Nah, species seems too 'wide' a term for things like dwarves and Klingons. Fictional creatures like that are very, very similar to us, and even in some cases they can interbreed with humans.
A Rachni vs. a human? Yeah, different species. An elf vs. a human? Eh, different race seems more appropriate.
Yeah, there are good examples in Origins, particularly with Sten. The only on I remember in Mass Effect is when you go to join the attack on Archangel though.
It's not as common in Mass Effect, but it does happen. That ex C Sec guy you go to see in ME1, who turns up in Garrus' loyalty quest in ME2 has completely different interactions with a female Shepard. You also have plenty of different dialogue regarding the romances of course, so the more casual game interactions just function differently depending on your gender.
There's also the fact that no one ever avoids using gender related pronouns, which happens in most RPGs that I'm familiar with.
Nah, species seems too 'wide' a term for things like dwarves and Klingons. Fictional creatures like that are very, very similar to us, and even in some cases they can interbreed with humans.
A Rachni vs. a human? Yeah, different species. An elf vs. a human? Eh, different race seems more appropriate.
I don't think you're going to have much luck getting "breed" to catch on when referring to humans.
I don't think you're going to have much luck getting "breed" to catch on when referring to humans.
The dogs don't seem to mind it so much.
Not that this will be contributing to the discussion at all, but I have always been confused why we use 'race' when talking about different cultures and other physical features.
It's a colloquialism for superficial physical differences. In the scientific community the term has no taxonomic significance because all modern humans are Hоmo Sapiens Sapiens with only minor phenotypical differences.
http://www.virginia....s/AAPA_race.pdf
"Pure races, in the sense of genetically homogeneous populations, do not exist in the human species today, nor is there any evidence that they have ever existed in the past."
It's a colloquialism for superficial physical differences. In the scientific community the term has no taxonomic significance because all modern humans are Hоmo Sapiens Sapiens with only minor phenotypical differences.
http://www.virginia....s/AAPA_race.pdf
"Pure races, in the sense of genetically homogeneous populations, do not exist in the human species today, nor is there any evidence that they have ever existed in the past."
Ah, so science is on my side then. 
I hereby vote that we change all references to 'race' in discussions such as these to be 'breed'.
Nah, species seems too 'wide' a term for things like dwarves and Klingons. Fictional creatures like that are very, very similar to us, and even in some cases they can interbreed with humans.
A Rachni vs. a human? Yeah, different species. An elf vs. a human? Eh, different race seems more appropriate.
Crossbreeding do happen between genera, species, breed. Hybrids is the correct term and sometime hybrid speciation do happen... kinda like Light and Dark Fae and the differences between them and Elves.
It's not as common in Mass Effect, but it does happen. That ex C Sec guy you go to see in ME1, who turns up in Garrus' loyalty quest in ME2 has completely different interactions with a female Shepard. You also have plenty of different dialogue regarding the romances of course, so the more casual game interactions just function differently depending on your gender.
There's also the fact that no one ever avoids using gender related pronouns, which happens in most RPGs that I'm familiar with.
In ME1's Harkin and ME2's Batarian merc, both of them would look at FemShep and decide she's a stripper.... although the Batarian simply egging you rather thanbeing slimy like Harkin. In ME2, Harkin wouldn't say anything different to either Sheps but he would panic at the sight of Shepard if you talk to him in ME1. I think during Samara's loyalty mission, the turian who harassed the dancer would turn to FemShep and decide he would 'do' her to. Somehow it feels more satisfying to punch him.
And all your male lieutenants lusted for you (Kaidan, Jacob, James) or Shepard would auto-flirt with the later two by default... In ME3, Eve and FemShep would have an additional conversation about both of them being women in power and "let's show the men how its done". And Wrex would be slightly apologetic to FemShep after he commented on how "women talk to much". And FemShep can flirt with Joker, BroShep can't.
Ah, so science is on my side then.
I hereby vote that we change all references to 'race' in discussions such as these to be 'breed'.
Ethnic groups is more the proper term for distinguishing between different humans, since that is just based on people socially identifying with other people who are perceived to be similar rather than trying to classify them taxonomically. "Breed" according to landrace or cultivar classification is sort of an informal level between species and genus similar to subspecies (but referring specifically to domesticated animals or artificially cultivated plants), as members of the same species who may be genetically uniform but physically quite diverse.
An example would be the huge physical differences between say a Dachshund and a St. Bernard. Human populations really don't have an analouge. Even extreme comparisons, such as "pygmy" peoples like the Baka or Mbuti are generally only around 15% shorter or smaller than average western Europeans with similar proportions, for example.
Ethnic groups is more the proper term for distinguishing between different humans, since that is just based on people socially identifying with other people who are perceived to be similar rather than trying to classify them taxonomically. "Breed" according to landrace or cultivar classification is sort of an informal level between species and genus similar to subspecies (but referring specifically to domesticated animals or artificially cultivated plants), as members of the same species who may be genetically uniform but physically quite diverse.
An example would be the huge physical differences between say a Dachshund and a St. Bernard. Human populations really don't have an analouge. Even extreme comparisons, such as "pygmy" peoples like the Baka or Mbuti are generally only around 15% shorter or smaller than average western Europeans with similar proportions, for example.
Very true, but using 'breed' would be a great way to cut through all the song and dance that we have to deal with and poke fun at the whole notion of 'race relations'.
We're all human beings, we just look different!
Though that might be a little too on the optimistic side of things all things considered.
Very true, but using 'breed' would be a great way to cut through all the song and dance that we have to deal with and poke fun at the whole notion of 'race relations'.
We're all human beings, we just look different!
Though that might be a little too on the optimistic side of things all things considered.
It's not so much optimistic as it is a little obtuse. With Dog breeds, intelligence and physical capability can be measured as significantly higher with some and lower with others. People used to think that was the case with humans, too, before the scientific community realized that was really stupid.
Checks webadress. looks at forum. wonders when she joined Tumblr..
It's not so much optimistic as it is a little obtuse. With Dog breeds, intelligence and physical capability can be measured as significantly higher with some and lower with others. People used to think that was the case with humans, too, before the scientific community realized that was really stupid.
to be fair, given the right circumstances it would be possible to do that
obviously it would be horrendously unethical and wrong on just about every level imaginable
Nope, it's the race we belong to which determines immensely our physiology including, but not limited, the incredibly complex processes that determine how we sound like.
See my response to ming-ming for examples.
It's not so much optimistic as it is a little obtuse. With Dog breeds, intelligence and physical capability can be measured as significantly higher with some and lower with others. People used to think that was the case with humans, too, before the scientific community realized that was really stupid.
I don't know. My boxer, Max, has shown more intelligence than a good many posts on Tumbler. 
All right I'll stop now 
dude you guys know they are inly going to get 2 VAs right?
stay classy BSN
Yep.
Well, this was an entirely predictable thread while it lasted. I'm certain it will die as it lived.
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