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In English, a different pitch for a spoken word can convey different emotions but there are other languages that use complex tonality. Namely Mandarin, Thai, Vietnamese where a word spoken in different pitch and tone can have several dozens or several hundred different meanings. And for these population, they do actively learn and adapt by their speech and listening comprehension since their fluency are heavily depended on these. Human sound systems and language was influenced by climate and geography. But it only mean that individual population can adapt physiologically to a language. If you're raised in an environment that encourage your fluency in a certain language, you're going to have developed perception of language that was different than others to that language, regardless of the race. People do sound differently from one another especially different gender and different background but that does not mean that its different because of their specific racial classification. There are no significance difference that prove that and all of these vocal tract dimensions and variation studies was merely studies done to identify differences for speech therapists in clinical settings, not a study on sociallinguistic or ethnolinguistic. 

 

Which means, a person who was is born and raised as an American would still sound like an American regardless of their race. If that person suddenly move to another continent and raised their family in an environment that require them to adopt a specific linguistic norms or language, in several decades that family would assimilate and their descendants wouldn't be discernible from a native to that region, even more so in mixed family. I've met with Chinese who can't speak Chinese, Indian who can't speak Indian, my eurasian British cousins barely speak in their own mother's language and so on. Do you still insist that they sound different merely because of their preset ethnicity?

 

I don't recall anyone saying it was only due to preset ethnicity. Do you still insist on constructing straw men?

 

Removing words from the title to make it better suit your interpretation isn't the way to go.

And 'who cares', really ? You just have to look at the number of likes the OP got to see that a lot of people do care about it. And why shouldn't they ? If the character creator isn't letting people easily make their character look like they want them too it's not doing its job very well. This particular topic focuses on a lack of options when it comes to making non-white characters, especially black and East Asians ones. There have been many threads about the lack of other options (for example long hair and tattoos.) So far the CC in ME has made it very hard to make black and East Asians characters because pretty much none of the presets include 'non-white' facial features, and there aren't any options for natural hair beyond going bald.

 

The fact that I didn't type one word in one post doesn't change the interpretation. My two examples have different emphasis.

 

As to you blathering on in the second paragraph, I've already said the OPs request is completely reasonable when it comes to a character creator. I mean "who cares" more in relation to the marketing or "default" person.



#652
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The fact that I didn't type one word in one post doesn't change the interpretation. My two examples have different emphasis.

 
Of course it does. Removing a word from a sentence changes its meaning. You're telling me that 'Only white protagonist" and "Not only white protagonist" have the same meaning because 'I didn't type one word' ?
 

As to you blathering on in the second paragraph, I've already said the OPs request is completely reasonable when it comes to a character creator. I mean "who cares" more in relation to the marketing or "default" person.


"Who cares" is also what you said on the first page when no one had brought up defaults or marketing at all.


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Aaaaaaand we are done here.. right?



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Of course it does. Removing a word from a sentence changes its meaning. You're telling me that 'Only white protagonist" and "Not only white protagonist" have the same meaning because 'I didn't type one word' ?
 


"Who cares" is also what you said on the first page when no one had brought up defaults or marketing at all.

 

It doesn't in his case and context.

 

You're right about my early post and I already said that was because I was initially mistaken on what the thread was about.



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I imply stuff all the time.

When I say someone should go watch Sword Art Online I'm implying they must have such terrible taste that they'd actually like a show like that.

If the listener is savvy enough to infer that implication, it's not something they just made up in their head. I did actually imply that.

That you intended a certain meaning is not evidence that you somehow included that meaning in your remarks.

That someone inferred a certain meaning is not evidence that you included that meaning in your remarks.

If there is some hidden implied meaning in your remarks, then it should be possible for you to tell us how to identify it.

Pursuant to the actual topic, I choose not to add meaning to what people say beyond what they actually said, so I'm never offended by "implied" content, because I always place the blame for that content on the listener who inferred it.

That slso means that I'm free to do what I like without feeling guilty about it as long as I'm not explicitly offensive. Because any implicit offense is the result of someone seeing it, not me doing it.

Everyone is happier if they just don't invent offensive content to add to each other's behaviour.

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Hmm... but then how does irony work?
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Your reasoning there is circular.

Inference is real. The only way to conclude that implication exists is to presuppose that it does.
We are. Communication isn't even a thing.

We express ideas, and we interpret speech. Those are separate events that have little to do with one another.

 

I just wrote quite a bit about how human cognition and communication actually works in order to explain to you how what you're saying is complete gibberish, but it's off-topic and I doubt it will sink in, so I'm done here.



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I just wrote quite a bit about how human cognition and communication actually works in order to explain to you how what you're saying is complete gibberish, but it's off-topic and I doubt it will sink in, so I'm done here.

That's a shame. I would have enjoyed reading it.

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That you intended a certain meaning is not evidence that you somehow included that meaning in your remarks.

That someone inferred a certain meaning is not evidence that you included that meaning in your remarks.

If there is some hidden implied meaning in your remarks, then it should be possible for you to tell us how to identify it.


The remark doesn't exist in a vacuum though.

Even if I don't include it in the remark itself.

The context in which I say the remark has the power to affect its meaning.

You identify it by reading the atmosphere.

This doesn't have a reliable method of doing so and is prone to error, so it's no wonder you hate it.

But that doesn't mean people don't do it all the time or that it doesn't exist.

In the case of me condemning your bad taste, the context would be my past remarks regarding SAO and the sarcastic tone of my comments.

Speaking of taste in anime, you should watch PMMM.
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Speaking of taste in anime, you should watch PMMM.

lol



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Sword Art Online is TRAAAAAASH.
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How is anime taste related to not only having white protagonist? ^^;



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Sword Art Online is TRAAAAAASH.

Indeed.

 

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How is anime taste related to not only having white protagonist? ^^;

 

 

Ooo, is it time to make fun of how some anime styles either make it hard to distinguish racial characteristics or are a bit hilariously over the top about it?

 

...Because that's a discussion I probably shouldn't have. I'm too ignorant and undercaffienated.

 

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BOYHOWDY, MORE CC OPTIONS SURE WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY. 



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Ooo, is it time to make fun of how some anime styles either make it hard to distinguish racial characteristics or are a bit hilariously over the top about it?


No.

It's time to add magical girls to the character creator.


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Indeed.

"Oh noes, we are all useless, but our Messiah Kirito will save the day!!"


Never mind Lightning Flash Asuna suddenly becoming reliant on him despite being established to be one of the most skilled players, and pretty much ever girl Kirito meets fall in love with him, including his cousin-raised-as-sister, while he is utterly and emotionally dependent on Aduna.

Got kind of old by the halfway point of season 1. I was kind of glad we stepped away from a lot of that in the GunGale ark, but even then that ended up kind of contrived, with yet another girl falling in love with him.
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Never mind Lightning Flash Asuna suddenly becoming reliant on him despite being established to be one of the most skilled players, and pretty much ever girl Kirito meets fall in love with him, including his cousin-raised-as-sister, while he is utterly and emotionally dependent on Aduna.

Got kind of old by the halfway point of season 1. I was kind of glad we stepped away from a lot of that in the GunGale ark, but even then that ended up kind of contrived, with yet another girl falling in love with him.


"Glopping noise" are the only two words you need to prove that SAO is terrible.

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What about albinos? we need albinos in the ME series!

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No.

It's time to add magical girls to the character creator.

 

 

Those aren't renegade scars, they're sparkles. Shepard is the magicalest. 



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Got kind of old by the halfway point of season 1. I was kind of glad we stepped away from a lot of that in the GunGale ark, but even then that ended up kind of contrived, with yet another girl falling in love with him.

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And Shino joins the spurned women club at the end. What amazing character development.
 
 
 
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Never mind Lightning Flash Asuna suddenly becoming reliant on him despite being established to be one of the most skilled players, and pretty much ever girl Kirito meets fall in love with him, including his cousin-raised-as-sister, while he is utterly and emotionally dependent on Aduna.

Got kind of old by the halfway point of season 1. I was kind of glad we stepped away from a lot of that in the GunGale ark, but even then that ended up kind of contrived, with yet another girl falling in love with him.

I will never forgive what they did to Sinon, terrible potential wasted!!!



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No.

It's time to add magical girls to the character creator.

 

Get out of my Face with those Pests.



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Get out of my Face with those Pests.




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I was done with OPirito after he SURVIVED DEATH, and when he went to FairyWorld. I thought, hey, finally we can see this guy struggle for once.

Lolnope stat carry over.

Did any of that change in the long hair OPirito arc with guns?

Also to stay on topic, I wouldn't mind a POC as default, nor would I object to another white protagonist. I already know that I can create my own character, so I won't be salty.

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I want to click that, yet I am afraid my Hellboy centric heart will explode into sparkles.