I frankly don't really care about what gender is used for this or that (for me they're all the same and equal.)
... but I have never seen someone so salty over Male Shepard, it's almost like watching a tragicomedy. I am with Han on this one, the obnoxious meltdown from that would be downright glorious.
Heh, Mass Effect 2 launch trailer.
"The strongest, the deadliest allies." "Tali!"
Anyway. I'd love to see a trailer showing the protagonist in a continuous scene, where every time the camera cuts away, it comes back to a different protagonist -- male, female, different face types, different gear, the whole nine yards. Really show off the robustness of the creator. That'd be fun.
Well, that's a neat way to show it off. You'd probably have to make two of them, one with male, the other with female, to keep the voice the same so the audience knows it's the same character. Or put both versions in the same ad.
Try at least 95%, at least here in the USA. I suppose I can't speak to other parts of the world.
I know, I'm giving a VERY generous estimate.
Not true.
Wait... are you implying that the vast (really vast) majority of humans are not heterosexual?
Let me know if so, I don't want to feed a troll.
Over the past years the number of people that identify as LGBT has been growing and it's not because there's more LGBT people, it's just that more people are comfortable with saying who they are.
OK... but what does that have to do with Sheploo or Andromeda's marketing though?
When marketing a product you don't focus on the 3/5/10% of the market but the broadest possible group, and specially not when that demographic are the most aware of it already, that would be stupid to say the least.
Hundreds of years ago the Catholic church used to hunt and burn people for being Gay so a lot of Gay people would say they were straight.
You're kind of obsessed with the Catholic Church, it's like the fourth time I see it in one of your posts... so brace for a mind-shattering fact:
Some of the most Catholic countries on earth are also the most accepting of homosexuality and a highly privileged place to be born gay.
Heh, Mass Effect 2 launch trailer.
"The strongest, the deadliest allies." "Tali!"
Anyway. I'd love to see a trailer showing the protagonist in a continuous scene, where every time the camera cuts away, it comes back to a different protagonist -- male, female, different face types, different gear, the whole nine yards. Really show off the robustness of the creator. That'd be fun.
Mmm, I approve.
Well, that's a neat way to show it off. You'd probably have to make two of them, one with male, the other with female, to keep the voice the same so the audience knows it's the same character. Or put both versions in the same ad.
Yeah, they could have few gameplays/trailers/posters and show them separately. Some male, some female. That'd at least satisfy enough people.
It just seems like you're getting so upset when all I'm asking is for more representation in video games...and yes it does bother me. I'm just so sick and tired of the same thing. I'm tired of like 99% of video game protagonists being straight white men.
Yeah... Not really. Let's look at this year's E3, shall we? The most important games were:
Fallout 4 - You can create a male or female of any skin color.
Dishonored 2 - You play as either white male or as a white female.
Mass Effect: Andromeda - You can create a male or female of any skin color.
Star Wars: Battlefront - Edited: You can play as either male or female.
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - You play as a white male.
Assassin's Creed: Syndicate - You play as a white male and white female.
Batman: Arkham Knight - You play as white male.
Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 - Edited: Apparently you can play as either male or female of any ethnicity
Dark Souls 3 - You can create a male or female of any skin color.
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain - You play as white male. Edited: And as any rescued character, male or female.
Horizon: Zero Dawn - You play as a female.
Rise of the Tomb Raider - You play as a white female.
XCOM 2 - You can presumably recruit a variety of soldiers of different genders and skin colors.
The Last Guardian - The play as an asian boy.
The Division - You can create a male or a female as far as I know, presumably of any ethnicity.
For Honor - Not sure - probably male only, judging by a trailer, but not necessarily white - for the sake of the discussion, let's count it as white male.
Edited: Out of 16 biggest games of this year's E3, you play a white male only in 3 of them. That's 13%, not 99%. That's much less than a quarter of all major AAA releases.
So yeah, your argument is simply untrue.
Modifié par Jester, 21 juin 2015 - 09:15 .
And no it's not lol the default Male Shepard is so boring and irrelevant. I want to projectile vomit every single time I listen to Mark Meer's voice. It's so emotionless and boring, and it's not even intentional. Like nails on a chalkboard.
You can keep telling yourself that and it will always only be true in your own game world.
And there is a ton more of both merchandise and official concept arts that I could find but I believe I made my point.
I don't want to make it seem like I am being antagonistic towards FemShep or female players. She is great and so are you.
But Subjectzero is being obnoxious for no earthly reason.
Damn, that's a lot of pictures and videos. Can you put them in a spoiler tag or something?
It can make it annoying for people to view this page, especially if they do that on mobile devices.
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain - You play as white male.
Actually, you can play as anyone you captured or rescued:
Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 - You play as a white male in single player presumably (but I think you can customize your character's appearance in multiplayer?)
Wait wait, I thought in BO3 you can choose gender in SP?
Star Wars: Battlefront - Not sure here, so let's assume male only.
Edited:
So that makes it 3/16 - I'm assuming Black Ops information is true.
We can add major releases from this year as well (large, AAA releases, no remasters or ports of game that came earlier):
Bloodborne - You play as a male or female of any skin color.
Witcher 3 - You play both as a white male and as white female.
Dying Light - You play as a white male.
Evolve - You can play as a male or female.
Order 1886 - You play as a white male.
Wolfenstein: The Old Blood - You play as a white male.
3/6 are white male only. So 6/23 overall so far, about 26% of all games.
So it's even better than I originally though.
I updated the previous post with new information.
Let's just end this already, you don't have to play as a male in most modern games, that is a fact:
Therefore, any argument created from that false premise is flawed and untrue, period.
Let's just end this already, you don't have to play as a male in most modern games, that is a fact:
Therefore, any argument created from that false premise is flawed and untrue, period.
What does "unisex" mean? Some of those games on that list definitely do not have a female playable protagonist as far as I know.
What does "unisex" mean? Some of those games on that list definitely do not have a female playable protagonist as far as I know.
The only one I spotted is The Walking Dead, which should either be asexual or female only, as you play as a little girl (we're talking about The Walking Dead 2 in fact, as this is the one that came in 2014).
Don't know much about the rest of the games though.
The only one I spotted is The Walking Dead, which should either be asexual or female only, as you play as a little girl (we're talking about The Walking Dead 2 in fact, as this is the one that came in 2014).
Don't know much about the rest of the games though.
The Last of Us has a male PC - Joel. Disgae also only has a male PC. You can control/create female NPCs, but only in the way you could in FFT, which doesn't really count for much. It's just misleading.
The new WD game from Telltale has a female black protagonist, Michonne.
What does "unisex" mean?
The Last of Us has a male PC - Joel.
Male and female playable protagonists or a choice between the two.
What does "playable" mean? TW3 has playable segments with Ciri but it would be absurd to say it's not "male only" by any sensible metric compared to Mass Effect.
The Last of Us has a male PC - Joel. Disgae also only has a male PC. You can control/create female NPCs, but only in the way you could in FFT, which doesn't really count for much. It's just misleading.
Last of Us Remastered might include the prequel DLC about Ellie.
As for the picture, it's irrelevant. The reason the industry is like that now is because people have been wanting it for a long time. Get an "all time" picture or one from 1999 or something. You can't say there's no problem with female or color representation, then cite the result of people wanting female and color representation. It's like saying things weren't so bad for Jews in 1939, look at Israel.
And Ciri in the TW3 is a low bar.
Last of Us Remastered might include the prequel DLC about Ellie.
As for the picture, it's irrelevant. The reason the industry is like that now is because people have been wanting it for a long time. Get an "all time" picture or 1999 or something. You can't say there's no problem with female or color representation, then cite the result of people wanting female and color representation. It's like saying things weren't so bad for Jews in 1945, look at Israel.
But that's why I use TW3 as an example. Having a playable segment with a background character can't sensibly take the game from one category to another. If anything, we might need a third category ("Male Protagonist with playable female segment") but that "unisex" category crunches way, way too many different types of games together to make a point.
Let's not be obtuse. I recognize I wasn't perfectly clear in my post but I thought my meaning was clear: just how are we defining "playable" that we're treating Disgea, the Last of Us and Diablo III and Dynasty Warriors 8 as the same?
If we use that broad definition then the category is meaningless gunk.
Infamous: First Light and BioShock: Burial at Sea were also just $15 DLC's for games with a male protagonist.
And Disney Infinity is on there twice...
It's an odd image.
But that's why I use TW3 as an example. Having a playable segment with a background character can't sensibly take the game from one category to another. If anything, we might need a third category ("Male Protagonist with playable female segment") but that "unisex" category crunches way, way too many different types of games together to make a point.
Infamous: First Light and BioShock: Burial at Sea were also just $15 DLC's for games with a male protagonist.
And Disney Infinity is on there twice...
It's an odd image.
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