You have to fill in the blanks.. Umm.. like most RPGs, I guess.
shepard is the most boring main character in mass effect
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:14
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You have to fill in the blanks.. Umm.. like most RPGs, I guess.
and this is why shepards squad mates are more interesting.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:18
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and this is why shepards squad mates are more interesting.
It's hard for me to seperate Shepard from the squad. Those characters provide opportunities to make my Shepard interesting too. Little things like which ones you befriend/like the most, how you make choices and help them out (especially ME2). The Shepard who lets Sidonis get killed is much different than the one who stops Garrus, the one who prevents Jack from shooting Aresh much different than the one who tells her she's just a killer.. the one that got Legion and Tali to make peace much different than one who chose a side. And so on and so forth. Same goes for romances.. it kind of says a lot about Shep too. The "read between the lines" part is just what you come up with on your own that fleshes it all out.. the deeper psychology that you give Shepard for making those choices.
I don't know how it can be better at least. If it was too fleshed out, then the game would be too railroaded.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:19
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I do think Shepard should have been given a good personal side story.
The problem of that is that they'd no longer be our Shepard. We get vague hints to their past, but nothing that is completely in your face so that you can pretend better. Fallout 4 has given the protagonist a backstory, and hardcore RPGs are up in arms about it.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:21
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My Shep awesome as well. I quit trying play Shep as true Paragon or Renegade. I also quit using those bailout paragon and renegade highlighted options. Actually make the tough decisions. It made Shep far more interesting.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:22
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No, they weren't.
Until ME3 yeah they were. You trying hard to not like it (along with many other aspects I've noticed, which makes me wonder why you spend time with the ME series to begin with) doesn't change the facts here. Shepard's personality and actions are about as freely customizable in ME1 and ME2 as any other RPG with a voiced protagonist has, even more so. Bioware allowing one to customize every single menial detail and word Shepard says or does would have horribly slowed the game down. We have pen and paper RPGs for that.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:24
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Until ME3 yeah they were. You trying hard to not like it doesn't change the facts here. Shepard's personality and actions are about as freely customizable in ME1 and ME2 as any other RPG with a voiced protagonist has, even more so. Bioware allowing one to customize every single menial detail and word Shepard says or does would have horribly slowed the game down and wasted resources.
No, I'm stating facts. Even in ME1, Bioware made assumptions on how the player would play Shepard which went against how I would have played them. So since the beginning, Shepard wasn't my character.
Then don't lie and they they are fully shaped by the player.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:26
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"My" Shepard wasn't really my Shepard with how many assumptions Bioware made on how the players would play them.
Which brings up an excellent point. Why do people believe they even have a Shepard considering s/he belongs to BioWare in every imaginable way and they are free to use him/her in anyway they want? BioWare didn't make any assumptions on how you wanted to play. They duly noted them and decided they didn't give two shits. They really shouldn't either.
As to this thread, no. Jacob is the single most boring character in Mass Effect, followed by Diana Allers(even with battle ******), Kelly Chambers, EDI, Legion, and then Grunt.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:26
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The problem of that is that they'd no longer be our Shepard. We get vague hints to their past, but nothing that is completely in your face so that you can pretend better. Fallout 4 has given the protagonist a backstory, and hardcore RPGs are up in arms about it.
This seems to be the big debate in RPGs protagonists right now, blank slate vs established backstory. I guess it comes down to what you believe truly defines you're character, where they come from or their actions during the story.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:27
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Shepard has always been BioWare's character, no matter the rhetoric used. "Your Shepard" = "Your tweaked version of our character".
The railroading starts in ME1 on Eden Prime, during Shepard's reaction to the beacon hitting K/A.
The railroading starts in ME1 on Eden Prime, during Shepard's reaction to the beacon hitting K/A.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:28
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I still consider them mine.
Just ignore the stuff you don't like if you can and fill in the blanks.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:28
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Shepard has always been BioWare's character, no matter the rhetoric used. "Your Shepard" = Your tweaked version of our character.
The railroading starts in ME1 on Eden Prime, during Shepard's reaction to the beacon hitting K/A.
It's only true to an extent. You're exaggerating.. and/or being too cynical. There's still a lot of room for roleplaying.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:33
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It's only true to an extent. You're exaggerating.. and/or being too cynical. There's still a lot of room for roleplaying.
Not really. Shepard isn't supposed to be an avatar for all the player's desires, which is what Hanako wants in his rpg protagonist. The fact that you can't roleplay isn't want dream is talking about. He's saying Shepard is a set character with their own motivations that will act how BioWare wants them to act if need be. Shepard will always do anything for his/her crew when s/he's able and they're in danger because that's just the kind of wo/man s/he is. Basically, "Deal with it."
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:35
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Shepard has always been BioWare's character, no matter the rhetoric used. "Your Shepard" = "Your tweaked version of our character".
The railroading starts in ME1 on Eden Prime, during Shepard's reaction to the beacon hitting K/A.
This.
And canon Shepard is always a Soldier, which disconnects me immediately. Oh really, Kasumi? You're going to adjust my omni-tool to see the wires? Well I'm a goddamn Engineer/Infiltrator and should be able to do that myself.
Avengers in all cutscenes. Oh look Dr.Eva Core is escaping from me. How cute LOL. And I can't catch up even though I'm a Vanguard with Biotic Charge? I can go trough effin walls you know.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:37
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^^ There's a difference between Default and Canon.
There is no canon in Mass Effect, but there is a default state.
There is no canon in Mass Effect, but there is a default state.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:37
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This.
And canon Shepard is always a Soldier, which disconnects me immediately. Oh really, Kasumi? You're going to adjust my omni-tool to see the wires? Well I'm a goddamn Engineer/Infiltrator and should be able to do that myself.
Avengers in all cutscenes. Oh look Dr.Eva Core is escaping from me. How cute LOL. And I can't catch up even though I'm a Vanguard with Biotic Charge? I can go trough elfin walls you know.
A lot of people use Avengers. That's just a fault of animation. I wouldn't read too much "narrative" into it. Like Liara uses an Avenger at the Ardat-Yakshi monestary. Or Jack uses them at the Collector Base.
While Soldier Shep sometimes uses an SMG as a pistol in ME2 (when the SMG is the only non-Soldier weapon)
I don't like the railroaded Eva Core/Kai Leng stuff either though. Even if we're meant to lose, there are better ways to not make it look cheap and contrived.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:42
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This.
And canon Shepard is always a Soldier, which disconnects me immediately. Oh really, Kasumi? You're going to adjust my omni-tool to see the wires? Well I'm a goddamn Engineer/Infiltrator and should be able to do that myself.
Avengers in all cutscenes. Oh look Dr.Eva Core is escaping from me. How cute LOL. And I can't catch up even though I'm a Vanguard with Biotic Charge? I can go trough elfin walls you know.
yeah, it seems petty to some, but there are a lot of little things that inhibit me and they add up to kill whatever delusions of role play I started out with.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:43
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A lot of people use Avengers. That's just a fault of animation. I wouldn't read too much "narrative" into it. Like Liara uses an Avenger at the Ardat-Yakshi monestary. Or Jack uses them at the Collector Base.
While Soldier Shep sometimes uses an SMG as a pistol in ME2 (when the SMG is the only non-Soldier weapon)
True. And it shows that it's a mess.
Plus Shepard is freaking stupid. In ME1 s/he's like what? 28? Durrr! What's a biotic? What's a Volus? What's an Elcor? Tell me about the culture. I've been trough out the galaxy, never saw any of you people. Salarians? Wassat? You have the codex for the player BioWare and voiced ones too. No need to explain stuff, that should obvious for Shepard.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:44
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Plus Shepard is freaking stupid. In ME1 s/he's like what? 28?
Shepard is 29 in Mass Effect 1.
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:45
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True. And it shows that it's a mess.
Plus Shepard is freaking stupid. In ME1 s/he's like what? 28? Durrr! What's a biotic? What's a Volus? What's an Elcor? Tell me about the culture. I've been trough out the galaxy, never saw any of you people. Salarians? Wassat? You have the codex for the player BioWare and voiced ones too. No need to explain stuff, that should obvious for Shepard.
It's too bad it reflects on Shepard. This is more like Bioware treating the player themselves as new... but it reflects on the character.
Same goes for the comment about Avina. "Are you real?" lol
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:45
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Shepard is 29 in Mass Effect 1.
Point made. Even more stupid than I though 
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Posté 20 juin 2015 - 06:47
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True. And it shows that it's a mess.
Plus Shepard is freaking stupid. In ME1 s/he's like what? 28? Durrr! What's a biotic? What's a Volus? What's an Elcor? Tell me about the culture. I've been trough out the galaxy, never saw any of you people. Salarians? Wassat? You have the codex for the player BioWare and voiced ones too. No need to explain stuff, that should obvious for Shepard.
The less said about ME1's dialogue the better. Worst in the series.
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