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The Solason (Endgame and Some JoH Spoilers)


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So I originally posted this idea in the Lore Discussion Forum, but since that place is basically a graveyard, I figured that I should hide that thread and start over here instead to try and get some discussion.

 

So, in the Solason, we encounter ten "coffins" which when opened give us a resistance boost when opened. We encounter a similar coffin behind another shard door in JoH. The one in JoH is directly associated with Geldauran, one of the Forgotten Ones.

As I've explained in another thread, Geldauran's tomb thing is clearly from before he warred with the Elvhan Gods as he has a note which talks about seeking power. Other people have brought up that it might be where Geldauran performed Uthenera as it has been stated that Uthenera was performed in tomb like beds. This would suggest that Geldauran was a dreamer and that the ten "tombs" at the Solason were actually beds for ten dreamers. However I am going to take this theory a step further...

Geldauran's note has an interesting comment in it...

"I am Geldauran, and I refuse those who would exert will upon me. Let Andruil's bow crack, let June's fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery."

So he is either purposefully or coincidentally referencing the eventual name for his group, the Forgotten Ones. He also refers to the pride of the Elvhan Gods. Solason means Temple of Pride. When you reach the final chamber of the Solason, you get a translation from Solas (which is not recorded as a codex) about how a being consumed by pride was bound there...

 

"Pride in our accomplishments and in our hearts. That same pride became (a word meaning corrupted or altered) within him, he sought to claim (indecipherable), cast from favor and so he was bound.

Hidden from mortal eyes, death lies within.
"
 

Notice how the note refers to pride being in "our" hearts. Pride existed within the hearts of the ten elvhes who were performing Uthenera. It however became too much for one of the ten and he decided to claim the something (the Golden City?) that I presume was crafted by the ten of them together. Interesting to note that the tenth being was hidden from mortal eyes. Combining the two notes and their implication, I conclude that the Solason is where the 9 Elvhan Gods + 1 contemporary who betrayed them and was sealed away performed their Uthenara. When you open the "tombs" you are absorbing residual energy from Elvhan Gods.

 

Some additional thoughts based on this theory that aren't really organized:

 

-When i was first thinking about this theory, I was thinking that the tenth dreamer was probably the pride demon you encounter when you open the last door (as I believe that ancient elvhes were more like spirits than modern elves). However, based on the resistances you gain from the different tombs, it would appear that the tenth dreamer was the most powerful of the ten. I don't have any actual evicence to support this idea, but I now think that the pride demon was just attracted there by the sealed being (or his residual energy) and wasn't actually related to the being. The sealed being actually escaped long ago and could possibly have been involved in the murder or Mythal.

 

-Timeline wise, the Solason was probably used prior to the ascension of the Elvhen Gods since there sees to be no mention of the sealed being that I can recall. Essentially, this is probably where the Elvhen Gods ascended. The ten of them got together, performed some great feat (creating the Golden City?), they were betrayed by the tenth, they sealed the tenth away, and then returned to the People as gods.

 

-I would probably put the Elvhan gods in arrangements of (going from earliest in the hallways to last in the hallway): Hallway 1: Ghilan'nain, Fen'Harel, and Mythal, Hallway 2: Dirthamen, Falon'Din, and Elgar'nin, Hallway 3: June, Sylaise, and Andruil. I put Mythal and Elgar'nin in different hallways because I'm assuming the two of them are the two most powerful of the nine. The rest are based on familial or other relationships between the gods (except for Ghilan'nain who just got the left over slot). Not sure which element hallways go to which set of gods.

 

-Random note that I couldn't figure out any other place to put, DA Wiki mentions that Masked Empire discusses that ancient elves would go to a dreamer's chamber and then walk a labyrinth to find the answers they seek in their dreams. The order is backwards, but this reminded me of the area outside of the Forbidden Oasis where you have to walk through a labyrinth in order to reach the temple where the dreamers once slept. It is hard to tell at this point how much of the labyrinth was there when the mining operations began, but I suspect some of it was since building a swiss cheese  mine seems like it would be a poor choice.

 

Edit: The tl;dr is that the Solason is where the Elvhan Gods performed Uthenera and possibly ascended to Godhood.


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What a fascinating read! I love posts like this. Gets you thinking about stuff.

 

I'm still getting into the whole lore thing myself, but you point out some interesting stuff.

 

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Just realized that there will be endgame spoilers discussion, so going to edit the title.

What a fascinating read! I love posts like this. Gets you thinking about stuff.

 

I'm still getting into the whole lore thing myself, but you point out some interesting stuff.

 

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An interesting thought, and I originally thought that Solas was the one sealed in the Solason when I read the inscription in the final chamber. However that doesn't seem to fit with the story the temple lay out is suggesting. The ten beds suggest that there were ten dreamers who used the location at once. The inscription implies that the other dreamers were the one who sealed the betrayer away. The numbers don't match for Solas being the one sealed away as there are nine Elven Gods including the Dread Wolf. If Solas was the one sealed away then there should be nine Elven Gods plus the Dread Wolf.

 

Also the timeline doesn't fit. Solas's betrayal of the Elvhen gods was sealing them away (probably in Eluvians in the Oil City). It would be difficult for the Elvhen Gods to seal Solas away after they have already been sealed away themselves.

 

Regarding Solas choosing Pride as his name, the inscription in the Solason states that the dreamers there (or at least whoever sealed away the tenth dreamer) has pride in their hearts. Geldauran's note also makes note of how the Elvhen Gods were prideful beings. It seems that the overall theme for the Elvhen Gods is pride (which sort of fits with their original temple being the Temple of Pride), so I think Solas's choice of name is a reference to the overall theme which seems to come up whenever the Elvhen Gods are mentioned.



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Just realized that there will be endgame spoilers discussion, so going to edit the title.

An interesting thought, and I originally thought that Solas was the one sealed in the Solason when I read the inscription in the final chamber. However that doesn't seem to fit with the story the temple lay out is suggesting. The ten beds suggest that there were ten dreamers who used the location at once. The inscription implies that the other dreamers were the one who sealed the betrayer away. The numbers don't match for Solas being the one sealed away as there are nine Elven Gods including the Dread Wolf. If Solas was the one sealed away then there should be nine Elven Gods plus the Dread Wolf.

 

Also the timeline doesn't fit. Solas's betrayal of the Elvhen gods was sealing them away (probably in Eluvians in the Oil City). It would be difficult for the Elvhen Gods to seal Solas away after they have already been sealed away themselves.

 

Regarding Solas choosing Pride as his name, the inscription in the Solason states that the dreamers there (or at least whoever sealed away the tenth dreamer) has pride in their hearts. Geldauran's note also makes note of how the Elvhen Gods were prideful beings. It seems that the overall theme for the Elvhen Gods is pride (which sort of fits with their original temple being the Temple of Pride), so I think Solas's choice of name is a reference to the overall theme which seems to come up whenever the Elvhen Gods are mentioned.

 

Yeah I see what you mean. I have to go back there and look around again. I feel like I'm missing something. Learning more about Geldauran really peaked my interest too.

 

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I agree about the place being where the Gods ascended though. It makes sense and the labyrinth seems too coincidental to be just that.



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I like this theory. :)

I don't have much to offer at the moment, just that an oasis far from civilization and Arlathan (or proto-Arlathan, or whatever) is a good place to start.

It's worth mentioning that Ghilan'nain came to the Pantheon late, as a worshiper of Andruil. Is one of the beds fresher looking?  :lol:



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Yeah I see what you mean. I have to go back there and look around again. I feel like I'm missing something. Learning more about Geldauran really peaked my interest too.

 

Spoiler

 

I agree about the place being where the Gods ascended though. It makes sense and the labyrinth seems too coincidental to be just that.

Flemeth's birth year is given in WoT1, but I don't have that atm. So I can't give an exact date (because the wiki is useless on this point). However, Flemeth was born several centuries after humanity rose (and fell and kinda rose again) so Flemythal is completely removed from my proposed timeline for events involving the temple and the Elvhen Gods.

 

The timeline (as I currently think it happened) would be something like this:

-Ten dreamers gather to accomplish some goal (probably creating the Golden City)

-After they accomplish their goal, tenth (and possibly most powerful) dreamer betrays the nine to claim it for itself, other nine dreamers seal it away

-Remaining nine leave the temple and are celebrated as gods, the ancient elvhes create temples in celebration of the accomplishments

-Forgotten ones think this is bullshit and go off to find their own source of power

-War between the Elvhan Gods and the Forgotten Ones occur/Mythal is murdered (one of these likely caused the other, but we don't have enough info to know which came first)

-Solas seals both sides away and then likely takes a prolonged nap

-Fast forward a long time to a whisp of Mythal's soul encountering Flemeth

-Fast forward another few centuries to Solas waking up and the events of DAI

 

 

I like this theory. :)

I don't have much to offer at the moment, just that an oasis far from civilization and Arlathan (or proto-Arlathan, or whatever) is a good place to start.

It's worth mentioning that Ghilan'nain came to the Pantheon late, as a worshiper of Andruil. Is one of the beds fresher looking?  :lol:

I don't recall any of the "beds" looking fresher and strongly suspect that they all reused the same art assets. As for Ghilan'nain being a late comer to the pantheon, we have to keep in mind the sheer scale of time between the events that potentially occurred at the Solason and the present of Thedas. These events likely occurred as far back as 8,400+ years ago as that is when the Elven Calendar places the founding of Arlathan. The stories of Ghilan'nain being a worshiper of Andruil could mean that Ghilan'nain was a student of Andruil before they "ascended" to godhood. The stories we currently have are likely not literally what happened and are likely lacking context and details which would be necessary to get an accurate understanding of what inspired the story. I might have been wrong in not putting Ghilan'nain in Andruil's corridor though. Not sure who should be moved though. >.>



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I wonder who woke Solas then? I was thinking Mythal might have, especially considering the epilogue.



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I wonder who woke Solas then? I was thinking Mythal might have, especially considering the epilogue.

Who says anyone some him? He very easily could have woken himself up. If he was woken up then Cory and Flemythal would be the prime suspects. I'm leaning towards him waking himself up though.

I do however suspect that he was slumbering within the Solason though as there was a note regarding something unknown recently changing that allowed the shards to be seen (my guess being that protective spells no longer applying once Solas left the temple).

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Who says anyone some him? He very easily could have woken himself up. If he was woken up then Cory and Flemythal would be the prime suspects. I'm leaning towards him waking himself up though.

I do however suspect that he was slumbering within the Solason though as there was a note regarding something unknown recently changing that allowed the shards to be seen (my guess being that protective spells no longer applying once Solas left the temple).

 

I keep thinking something disturbed his slumber, unless he chose that exact time to waken to begin his plan.

 

Ah that's what I was trying to figure out! Thank you! Yes that's what I suspected, he was in there too, and possibly connected to the shards appearing (he even has one on his desk in Skyhold), but wasn't sure if it made sense.



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Cory woke him to sell him effroot and a cookie for his orb :P

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I think it was Flemythal that woke Solas up. She did say she had an important meeting to attend to after Hawke released her from the amulet.
 
Though it could very well have been the surviving Ancient Elvhen that woke him. It seems there are still some in the world that Solas know of since he did tell Abelas "Elvhen such as you still linger"

 

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