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[shepard0445]

First of all this isn´t a thread to make any of the mentioned games bad or to hate them but to compare these games and to draw some conclusions. (Sorry for my bad english)

 

At the beginning I would like to compare the ground settings of both games. While The Witcher 3 continued with the ground setting of it´s previous games DA:I changed it´s ground settings.

The Witcher had a pretty dark ground setting with real medival felling. DA never had this felling in such a big scale but DA:O had also a darker and more realistic setting than DA:I. DA 2 made all that a little friendlier but it keept it´s flare and i really enjoyed it even with it´s problems. DA:I destroyed this darker setting and I see no reason why Bioware decided to make this move. It can´t be because of the rating because the nudity saves the 18 rating for them. So it is a mystery why the didn´t kept the ground setting from DA:O.

In this point I more enjoyed playing TW3 and DA:O.

 

The next point in my comparison is the graphics. I know that there is more than a year between the release of both games but that the Witcher 3 has the better graphic is a fakt. In the DA franchise DA:O is the game with the most realistic graphic in my pov. Da 2 has this somehow fitting comic style while DA:I is something between DA:O and DA 2. Which makes it more embarrasing for DA:I that The Witcher 3 has a better graphic is the studio behind the game. While CDProjekts is a smaller Studio Bioware is a big studio and with it´s capacities I expected more from Bioware. I was really astonished when I played the Witcher 3 for the first time and especial the facial hair shows us the different levels on which this two games are. And i speak only of the medium settings for the Witcher 3.

 

The software of both games is also a point i want to speak of. Here I came to a funny and suprising observation. With the lager world and better graphic most likely you would think that older and not up to date systems like mine would have more problems with The Witcher 3 than with DA:I. But it is oppostite. I often have problems with the laoding and lagging in DA:I while The Witcher 3 runs as clear as DA:O on my system. I have te same problem with the Witcher 2 and i think that happens on the basis of a to complicated programming. 

 

The size of the maps in both games is also a good point to compare. DA:I sure is the bigest games of Bioware and it has some really nice and varying places lika a wood lands, deserts and large fields. In this point the Witcher is monotonous. In The Witcher 3 there are only forests and fields. But The Witcher 3 has a much bigger and realistic surrounding than Inquisition. After a little time you can go through the maps of Inquisition without the looking on the map. But in The Witcher 3 you run through forests and fields but you are lost without your map and that makes it more fun to run through the world.

 

Inclouding to the new size of both games there is also are also two new travel systems in both games. The quick traveling and the horse. While you can quick travel from everywhere you like to a camp you can only travel from a waypoint to a waypoint in the Witcher 3. This is making the quick travel system in the witcher 3 sometimes pretty annoying because there are many big places bith no waypoint near them. But the horse is better in The Witcher 3. The combat from horse and the overall handeling of the horse is better in the witcher 3. 

 

The last think I want to compare is the combat system but here i will fixate on DA:O. The combat of DA:I got to easy there was only one point where i died and needed to restart the combat and that was the demon fight at the templar castle. In DAO I also died during normal combat and during boss fights and in DA 2 i also died more often than in Inquisition but not so often like in DAO. while the combat in DAO is slow and tactica but also class based. In DA 2 it sayed class based but got also quicker what had it´s own flare. In DA:I the combat is slow like in DA:O but no interakting with the companinos is needed to win battles and the enemys are mostly like tanks. In DAO i killed a mage and archer quick with my warrior in close combat but in DAI it takes mostly the same time to kill mages and warriors. That makes the combat even more slowly and boring. In DAO combat was easy won if you play taktical and kill the powerful mages and archers in close combat and kill the warriors with archers and mages. In DA 2 the classes changed also the combat.

 

The fazit is that if Bioware isn´t changing they gona loss their not hardcore fans and people how just want to play a good rpg. On my opinoin is the Witcher 3 the better rpg this time and the bigest rival of DA. Everybody who love the lore and the companion system will buy the next DA games but the rest will think twice before they will pay 60 euros. The witcher has the potential to become the best rpg in our time. the same potential i saw in DA while i played DA:O.

 

Here a list of my favorite RPGs:

The Witcher3

DA:O

DA2

DA:I/The Witcher 2

(Mass Effect not included)

 

Now tell me what is your opinion on this list and do you agree or disagree with me?

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Well frankly, none of the games you mentioned pause combat for each strike, tell you to roll dice on your desk, input the die rolls into the game, then use that to determine the combat results, so they all suck, imho.

 

If these games are going to claim to be RPGs, then they bloody well should act like RPGs, and that means rolling dice.  So my rating is this:

 

1) AD&D 1st Edition (the only legit AD&D)

2) Basic D&D w/Keep on the Borderlands

3) Top Secret

4) ...

5) ...

6) ...

7) ...

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9) ...

10) ...

11) Anything without dice ( no dice, no way it deserves to be in the top 10, hence the 7 blank slots)

[Tragedienne of Heavens]

Oh yeah, TW3 is too much awesome, such wow and all the games out there are soo much better than DAI.

Gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8

[KocicaK]

As a whole, those games aren´t comparable. you can compare some points like graphics, world size, but not whole games. those games are so different that they can´t be really rivals. Witcher seems being better in what it is than Dragon age is in what it is(DA:O is better in what it is than DA:I)(DA:I is big disapointment for me in various ways). still I don´t think those two can be compared and that you can pick the better one. one of them suits you better because of its style, but that does not mean it is better than the other one.

[shepard0445]

As a whole, those games aren´t comparable. you can compare some points like graphics, world size, but not whole games. those games are so different that they can´t be really rivals. Witcher seems being better in what it is than Dragon age is in what it is(DA:O is better in what it is than DA:I)(DA:I is big disapointment for me in various ways). still I don´t think those two can be compared and that you can pick the better one. one of them suits you better because of its style, but that does not mean it is better than the other one.

 

How should someone rate a game if he don´t compare it with a other game?

[MyKingdomCold]

On its own? Is a really good game going to become a bad game if you find a game that's better? Or is a terrible game going to magically become amazing because you find a game that's worse?

[shepard0445]

First of all if you ever played a game than it isn´t possible to rate a game objektive because you would always have a unconscious comparison with a game you played before.

 

If you put it in that way every game which is play able is good.

(If we folow this path deeper this will becoome a nice psychological disucusion)

[MyKingdomCold]

Not every playable game is good. I've played plenty of games that have abyssmal frame rates or terrible graphics or boring gameplay or story. Are they playable? Yes. Do I want to play it? No.

And for your first part, I may consciously or subconsciously compare a game to another I played before. But that doesn't change whether I think a game is good or bad.

[shepard0445]

But boring and not boring and graphics is a mater of pov and on this way you can´t decide if a game is good. And i never say a game is bad i only sad it is not as good as.

 

Yes you are right with the last part and i never sad DAI is bad i only sad it is not as good as. So i compared it consciously.

[MyKingdomCold]

But boring and not boring and graphics is a mater of pov and on this way you can´t decide if a game is good. And i never say a game is bad i only sad it is not as good as.
 
Yes you are right with the last part and i never sad DAI is bad i only sad it is not as good as. So i compared it consciously.

What? Isn't whether a game is good or bad entirely dependent on pov? Well maybe not entirely but mostly?

[caradoc2000]

Now tell me what is your opinion

My opinion is that we have a bit too many Witcher threads around already, such as this, this, and this.

[shepard0445]

My opinion is that we have a bit too many Witcher threads around already, such as this, this, and this.

Yes because people like to compare things that are in the same genre.

 

And to the "be more like the witcher" thread i would like to say that i didn´t say it should get more like the witcher but that there are things DAI could have made better which the witcher 3 made. For example the facial hair. I could only have said that it looks bad but someone could have said i should show him better one and so i used the witcher as example to clearify what i mean. I only compared the things i could compare with any game. The size of the map, the graphic, the software and the setting. I could make the same between Battlefield 4 and DA:I. The graphic is mostly independent from the genre of trhe game or the software.

[caradoc2000]

Yes because people like to compare things that are in the same genre.

But do we really need half a dozen separate threads about the topic?

[Orian Tabris]

But do we really need half a dozen separate threads about the topic?

 

We don't really need one. And not only because these DAI/TW3 threads aren't required for our/the Inquisition forum's survival, but also because these comparisons never get the forum anywhere. Half the time people complain about how DAI should be this TW3 thing and this other TW3 thing, the rest of the time is dedicated to people complaining about the complaints, all the while BioWare takes the high road and avoids this place like the plague.

[shepard0445]

on my opinion there are senslesser threads than this one in the forum.

[Orian Tabris]

on my opinion there are senslesser threads than this one in the forum.

 

That's because john_shepard hasn't reared his ugly head round... yet.

 

Side note: I wish senselesser were a word. x]

[Toasted Llama]

"First of all this isn´t a thread to make any of the mentioned games bad or to hate them"

*continues to bash DA:I*

 

Lol. Get out.


For every point DA:I has above Witcher you continue to say; YEAH BUT WITCHER 3! Your entire OP is completely biased.

Also, DA:O has better graphics than DA:I? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAno.

[Vox Draco]

Only so much ... after the initial awesome-stage I stopped palying Witcher 3 15 (!) days ago, stuck somewhere on Skellige, shortly after I met Yennefer and having finished most stuff/quests on the mainland. In comparison it took me less than fifteen days to fully complete DAI...

 

I will probaby return to the game but at this moment? The mere thought bores me too much. It's a bit like the last book in the Witcher-Novels, still stuck on the first pages while I breezed through the first couple of books

[Melca36]

My opinion is that we have a bit too many Witcher threads around already, such as this, this, and this.

If I was a mod, I'd ban every Witcher 3 on these Dragon Age boards and would always put them in the offtopic where THEY BELONG .  Despite being dark medieval fantasy, they are are two completely different games.

[LightningPoodle]

Am I trapped in limbo?

[raging_monkey]

Am I trapped in limbo?

yes we are have you seen the groundhog

[KocicaK]

How should someone rate a game if he don´t compare it with a other game?

COmpare only parts that are comparable and add an opinion on how are non comparable parts done, how interestingly, how well they work, new ideas, if it works all together and so on.

[Lebanese Dude]

I'm going to echo some other people in this thread and point out that the games share RPG elements but have entirely different presentations. 

 

Dragon Age, like most BioWare games, primarily focuses on malleable protagonists, party compositions, and relationship building. 

 

Those elements are almost entirely absent in The Witcher. Obviously both share storytelling elements with a cast of characters, but the mechanics and approaches are vastly different.

 

I'd elaborate but this has been done to death.

[Urazz]

Even though they are RPGs, they are completely different.  In fact, I'm betting most people got both games anyways (like me for instance) so it's not like you can say one wins out over the other.

[Nimrodell]

I would never compare these two games - just different gaming philosophies behind them. I'm way into 150 hours in TW3 and I honestly miss the questing hierarchy from BW games, though I love TW3... meaning, DA:I and TW3 are good in their own rights. I love DA for the story, order, personal relationships and I love The Witcher 'cause of Geralt's personality, Slavic mythology, and the lack of auto-censorship. I wish the best for both developer teams 'cause they created amazing games and their products are not for comparison. Simple as that.