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[shepard0445]

Ok good  I am a bad person for compariing these games.

 

But here comes my honest opinion on dragon age inquisition. It is one of Biowares badest games (can´t decide between Mass Effect 3 and DA:I).

It didn´t showed us what it promised.

The charcters are good if you only look at them but if you look at them together with the game they are not really good. They approve and disapprov your actions but only on the side of your screen or in a short comment. In DA:O they betrayed you or decided to stay neutral and only watch. Also in DA 2 they stood against you or you could betray them. In DA:I the iron bull just accepts that you let his companions get killed.

Your choises also dosnßt matter really. Gaspard is emporer: the orlesian army helps your troops, Celene: the orlesian army helps your troops, Briala:  the orlesian army helps your troops. In DA:O you get the wolfes if you help the forest spirit or the elves if you kill the wolfes, you get golems if you don´t destroy the ambos the mages or templars at the circle.

 

 

"First of all this isn´t a thread to make any of the mentioned games bad or to hate them"

*continues to bash DA:I*

 

Lol. Get out.


For every point DA:I has above Witcher you continue to say; YEAH BUT WITCHER 3! Your entire OP is completely biased.

Also, DA:O has better graphics than DA:I? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAno.

"DA:O is the game with the most realistic graphic in my pov"

realistic means more natural not better.

 

 

 

COmpare only parts that are comparable and add an opinion on how are non comparable parts done, how interestingly, how well they work, new ideas, if it works all together and so on.

Read anybody to the end?

I Compared the map size, setting based on the original game, graphics and software and i think these things are comparable in those two games. The combat systeme i compared with DA:O and DA 2 and i think these are comparable too.

[Lebanese Dude]

 

 

"DA:O is the game with the most realistic graphic in my pov"

realistic means more natural not better.

 

Wut?

 

DAO wasn't realistic or natural at all... That's good cause I love the cartoon-y aesthetic in DAO. 

[shepard0445]

Wut?

 

DAO wasn't realistic or natural at all... That's good cause I love the cartoon-y aesthetic in DAO. 

i think they fit real good and make the atmosphere right.

if i look at their armor and weaponery and on the enemies i would point DAO out as more realistic(just my pov)

I don´t know how to say it but it felt more right

[Heimerdinger]

Ok good  I am a bad person for compariing these games.

 

But here comes my honest opinion on dragon age inquisition. It is one of Biowares badest games (can´t decide between Mass Effect 3 and DA:I).

It didn´t showed us what it promised.

The charcters are good if you only look at them but if you look at them together with the game they are not really good. They approve and disapprov your actions but only on the side of your screen or in a short comment. In DA:O they betrayed you or decided to stay neutral and only watch. Also in DA 2 they stood against you or you could betray them. In DA:I the iron bull just accepts that you let his companions get killed.

Your choises also dosnßt matter really. Gaspard is emporer: the orlesian army helps your troops, Celene: the orlesian army helps your troops, Briala:  the orlesian army helps your troops. In DA:O you get the wolfes if you help the forest spirit or the elves if you kill the wolfes, you get golems if you don´t destroy the ambos the mages or templars at the circle.

 

 

Don't bother man. Some people here have been defending the game since release, refusing to see or admit any obvious flaws. 

 

You won't get far with them. They're indoctrinated.

[FeliciaM]

I'm not sure why... but if this seems snarky. I'm sorry. I just woke up, and I haven't had my coffee yet.

 

I don't understand why people can't just play a game, and enjoy it (or not) based on its own merits. If you don't like it, suck it up, and don't play it. What's the point of complaining about it, and comparing it to another game? Even if they are similar. Games all have their own merits, good or bad, and should be enjoyed as such. It's like comparing the tastes of green apples to red apples. My husband prefers the green ones, and I like red. But it doesn't mean I'm gonna berate and point out the flaws of green apples just because I dislike them.

[shepard0445]

Don't bother man. Some people here have been defending the game since release, refusing to see or admit any obvious flaws. 

 

You won't get far with them. They're indoctrinated.

Shepard will save them

 

Poorly I think you are right and I looked forward to a good dicussion. I also have a list of arguments i didn´t mentioned. (the hope dies at least)

 

 

I'm not sure why... but if this seems snarky. I'm sorry. I just woke up, and I haven't had my coffee yet.

 

I don't understand why people can't just play a game, and enjoy it (or not) based on its own merits. If you don't like it, suck it up, and don't play it. What's the point of complaining about it, and comparing it to another game? Even if they are similar. Games all have their own merits, good or bad, and should be enjoyed as such. It's like comparing the tastes of green apples to red apples. My husband prefers the green ones, and I like red. But it doesn't mean I'm gonna berate and point out the flaws of green apples just because I dislike them.

Opinons are different thats true but discussing about opinions is a important thing and comparisons are a method which you can use in discussions. 

And i don´t dislike DA:I as much as you thing. In the top ten of my favorite games are only the DA, ME and TW franchise but DA:I is on place 9 or 10 and i am scared that the next DA get on place 11 or worse. And thats why i want to discusse the pro and cons of a game.

[Scofield]

Ok im a wee bit stoned so i never read all yer post, but im having a wee wild guess when i say this, an please correct me if im wrong, but im guessing you never liked the game then?

[Mes]

Sorry friends, I haven't read too much of this thread but thought I would contribute a little bit - I've been playing TW3 for a while now and have been thinking about this topic a LOT.

 

DAI grips my imagination more (I mean really gets into my head - I think about it a lot when I'm not even playing it). It's the characters, and the relationships your personal character can have with them. I don't find myself caring much about any specific characters in TW3 (though I find the overall themes really amazing), and I obviously would have also liked to create my own character.

 

However TW3 is, in my opinion, the better made game. What really makes me say this is all the many, MANY little cutscenes - every quest, no matter how small, is accompanied with a cutscene - Geralt speaking with someone, characters getting emotional, I mean it's just incredible. It makes every little quest feel important and interesting. I can feel how much work went into this. By comparison DAI just seems lazy, and this is coming from someone whose favorite game of all time IS DAI. I appreciate the thought behind minimal cutscenes in DAI, where you could enter and leave a conversation seamlessly. But I'm not sure if that method really paid off in the end.

 

I thought I would feel lonely as Geralt tramping around all on my own, but there's constant music - all. the. TIME. I remember going through all these tips and tricks to get SOME music, or companion banter, going in DAI. There is still an element of loneliness to Geralt, but it feels like it's meant to be that way - his loneliness is part of who he is, not a result of some no banter/no music glitch within the game. In DAI I ran around a beautiful but essentially empty world...

 

There are so many more things I love about TW3. Honestly, I'm surprised. 

 

Yet still, DAI is what I will remember longer. Gah. I just hope future Bioware titles improve. Like, heaps. There's some amazing competition out there.

[Toasted Llama]

"DA:O is the game with the most realistic graphic in my pov"

realistic means more natural not better.

Yes, I'm sure the anatomically botched bodies, plastic skin and stretched/bland textures are very natural.

 

 

i think they fit real good and make the atmosphere right.

if i look at their armor and weaponery and on the enemies i would point DAO out as more realistic(just my pov)

I don´t know how to say it but it felt more right

That has nothing to do with graphics but everything to do with design choices.

 

 

 

Don't bother man. Some people here have been defending the game since release, refusing to see or admit any obvious flaws. 

 

You won't get far with them. They're indoctrinated.

 

Yes the game has flaws, but so ****** what? We don't need a bazillion threads on the BSN to praise a completely different game JUST to bash DA:I, 1 is enough, more than enough even. If there's going to be a bazillion threads constantly nagging about the exact same thing over and over again, of course people get defensive. Mostly because it starts to feel like a baseless attack from CD Projekt fans.

 

 

And here's a shocking fact: You can enjoy a game with flaws and possibly even consider it high quality or a great/good game. *gasp*

[MariNia]

I love witcher 1,2 ,3 but im more connected to DAI

[Robert Trevelyan]

I think that the key diffeence in approach can be summarised as such:

 

Witcher 3: Builds relatively faithfully on the world built up in previous games.

 

Dragon Age Inquisition: Makes numerous aesthetic and geographical changes on the landscape as shown in Dragon Age Origins.

 

Does the latter suffer badly for it? That's open to debate. Probably nowhere near as jarring as 'Qunari now have Horns' or 'Elves are now Irish' from DA2, but still a little disappointing nonetheless.

[shepard0445]

Mostly because it starts to feel like a baseless attack from CD Projekt fans.

 

 

And here's a shocking fact: You can enjoy a game with flaws and possibly even consider it high quality or a great/good game. *gasp*

 

if i am something i am a DAO fan. Nevr played the witcher 1 or finished 2.

 

DA 2 had flaws. DAI is nothing i would conect with bioware. Plot holes. great charcters but not much interaction. and a poor amount of choises.

 

And even with this problems it is the 10 best game i ever played. But i don´t want to see any of these problems ever again in a bioware game.

[Cobra's_back]

I'm sorry but comparing doesn't make sense. Everyone I know plays Bioware games for the story. DAI ties nicely with Asunder and the Mask Empire.

 

The other reason people play DA games is for the companions and their banter. DA games allow the player to control a team at all combat situations. Makes it fun and less boring. 

 

So these are two different games with different stories. If I enjoy the DA lore, I'm not going to find it playing TW3.

 

My favorite original characters Morrigan, Flemeth, and Leliana are back in DAI with some very new interesting characters. As far as I'm concern, I want to hear more about Solas and the Elven gods not less.

 

That is the key issue not everyone is playing for the same reason.

[TheExtreamH]

the Witcher and Dragon Age

 

[The Baconer]

I'm sorry but comparing doesn't make sense. Everyone I know plays Bioware games for the story. DAI ties nicely with Asunder and the Mask Empire.

 

Eh, beyond Cole, that's pushing it.

[Cobra's_back]

Eh, beyond Cole, that's pushing it.

 

The war between mages and templars started at the end of Asunder. In the Mask Empire we met Celene, Briala and Gaspard. Flemeth was as far back as the Stone Throne and DAO. The complaint I heard was that anyone who was not up on the lore could have a hard time figuring out what to decide in DAI. 

 

 

I remember after reading The Mask Empire and Asunder people were in the Bioware forum trying to figure out how DA3 was going to answer what happened next. They did that and they gave us something new to think about as well.

 

The books support the games, and the games support the books.

[duckley]

I get the frustration, but in playing TW3, It really does make me more aware of some of the elements I find missing /wanting in DA:I.
I hated the fact that the DA team seemed enamored with Skyrim, but would love it if they could take some of the best that TW3 has to offer for their next game.
I love DA, and it pains me to say that TW3 is overall I game I find richer and deeper.

[Ariella]

I get the frustration, but in playing TW3, It really does make me more aware of some of the elements I find missing /wanting in DA:I.
I hated the fact that the DA team seemed enamored with Skyrim, but would love it if they could take some of the best that TW3 has to offer for their next game.
I love DA, and it pains me to say that TW3 is overall I game I find richer and deeper.

No, no, and no.

They weren't enamoured of Skyrim, the fans were. There was a huge outcry for more open world when da 2 came out. The loudest kept saying how Skyrim was sooo much better than DA2, and the da series must be like Skyrim.

Let Bioware be Bioware.

[dsl08002]

No, no, and no.

They weren't enamoured of Skyrim, the fans were. There was a huge outcry for more open world when da 2 came out. The loudest kept saying how Skyrim was sooo much better than DA2, and the da series must be like Skyrim.

Let Bioware be Bioware.

NO

Open world was Never NEVER in the eyes of Fans a skyrim based world. they wanted a game just like DAO but never got it. And considering that Skyrim was a hell of a lot better game because DA2 was at best adequate. Someone at Bioware obviously thought "Skyrim sold better only because it was an open world, we must do something similar", but never really understood that what was desired was bioware interactive storytelling and why it should at all times come at first hand.

[JadeDragon]

NO

Open world was Never NEVER in the eyes of Fans a skyrim based world. they wanted a game just like DAO but never got it. And considering that Skyrim was a hell of a lot better game because DA2 was at best adequate. Someone at Bioware obviously thought "Skyrim sold better only because it was an open world, we must do something similar", but never really understood that what was desired was bioware interactive storytelling and why it should at all times come at first hand.

I agree. All game companies get inspired by other games there is no harm or shame in that because that is life learning and growing. The main thing Bioware needs to do is make Dragon Age feel like Dragon Age though. They can get inspired by other games but for DA4 i really hope they focus on there roots and what makes them special. Crafting is nice as well as other areas new to the series but overall there strong point is story and characters. The companion system needs to be upgraded not saying its bad because its great as always its just the progress from DAO to DAI is not as much as it should be. DA2 took a step in the right direction with more spread out companion quest, companions had there own rivals and enemies, and it felt more like companionship. DAI slightly took a step away from that while taking a step forward in other things. They need to look within there series 1st.

[Ariella]

NOOpen world was Never NEVER in the eyes of Fans a skyrim based world. they wanted a game just like DAO but never got it. And considering that Skyrim was a hell of a lot better game because DA2 was at best adequate. Someone at Bioware obviously thought "Skyrim sold better only because it was an open world, we must do something similar", but never really understood that what was desired was bioware interactive storytelling and why it should at all times come at first hand.

Were you here, because I was, and I remember very clearly 'we want Skyrim!'
'DA2 sux, Skyrim rules!'

Just facts. Deal with it.

[MissOuJ]

NO

Open world was Never NEVER in the eyes of Fans a skyrim based world. they wanted a game just like DAO but never got it. And considering that Skyrim was a hell of a lot better game because DA2 was at best adequate. Someone at Bioware obviously thought "Skyrim sold better only because it was an open world, we must do something similar", but never really understood that what was desired was bioware interactive storytelling and why it should at all times come at first hand.

 

I don't know, I remember there being a lot of talk on the forums and in other gaming sites on how DA2 should be more like Skyrim (then again I didn't have an account in the BSN back then, so I could be mixing my forums). Even the devs lampshaded it at times: they made some self-deprecating jokes about repetitive environments in some panel IIRC, and someone mentioned in one interview or another that that was one of the biggest complaints.

 

Not saying that Skyrim's success had nothing to do with it, but IIRC there was a pretty big demand for it. I even remember commenting on the devs comments about the more open world approach they were taking and said how I really wasn't all that into the idea of making DA an open world game or taking too many pointers from Skyrim because I play RPG's for the plot, which has generally not been the focus point of most open world games, and the answer I got from some people was (to paraphrase) "cheer up, it's gonna be more like Skyrim, so it's gonna be better!"

 

There was also the "DA:O was objectively the better game and the next game should be just like DA:O! Shut up about your wrong opinions! You are wrong, I tell you! Wrong!" folk, sure, but the "DA3 should be more like Skyrim" folk was just as vocal back then if memory serves.

[Ariella]

@MissOuj

Not wrong in the least. Of course half the irony of the 'go back to dao' crowd, were a number of them were the same ones complaining about dao when it came out. Things like slow combat animations, lack of color, lack of variety in armor and weapon design. Iirc some of the skill and talent trees were considered op.

Tried to do something about it and people screamed about the changes in da 2. And would have done so even without the legimate problems.

Having actually played Origins recently, I cringed through a lot of it. Visually boring, slow compared to DA 2 and DAI. The Warden is a lampshade.

I can still get through it, but only do so I can have a good play for DA2.

[Navasha]

I love both games an incredible amount personally.    I don't see a reason anyone needs to be on one 'side' or the other.   

 

I think DA:O still shines as the star of the series, but I absolutely love the exploration and large zones of DA:I.   My biggest complaint is the loss of tactical combat.   Dragon Age was for me a tactical squad combat game set in a rich world with deep characters.    DA:I lost some of that tactical feel for me.  

 

Witcher Series has always been about a darker grittier world.   Witcher 3 also added a vast world to explore and just roam, which I love.   I am also a much bigger fan of the graphic style and design of Witcher 3 over DA:I.   Witcher 3 is filled with some of those rare moments that are pure role-playing exhilaration.   The first time sirens emerged from the water tearing my little boat to pieces in the middle of the sea, I was thrilled and elated at the feeling of trying to fend them off before I sank.   Was honestly a very memorable moment. 

 

The great thing is I don't have to say if one is better than the other, because they are both very good and I will be playing and replaying both of them numerous times. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'd only look to the witcher to improve on sidequest content. As in make each one feel like it's own episodic escapade the outcome of which changes slightly depending on your actions. Other than though DA:I is fine doing it's own thing.