Were you here, because I was, and I remember very clearly 'we want Skyrim!'
'DA2 sux, Skyrim rules!'
Just facts. Deal with it.
btw Considering how bad DA2 was, really anything from that time that was better would have been a better alternative.
Considering there are people who like DA2 and even prefer it to other games in the series, actually building on the deconstruction of the all-powerful PC hero trope they started in DA2 in stead of making the Herald / Inquisitor one more Super Special Snowflake would have been a better alternative. Etc. etc.
Opinions. They are subjective.
if i look back i wasn´t a big fan of DA 2 as i played it first. I loved my companions from DAO and i realy missed them. But with my second playthrough i started to like DA 2 more than before but the quick combat wasn´t really my thing but i never had problems with my companions or enemys during the fight. They all attackt and made there stuff without getting in there way.
After I played DAI I loved DA 2 and played it for the 3,4,5 and 6. time . The DAI fights are as quick as in DA 2 but my companions/enemys get the hole time in my or each other ways.
Beside this DA 2 had a proper taktik system which made it easyer to ready yourself for various situations. I don´t want to be a babysitter who have to say that Solas has to use wirst his ice and than stone fist and not on the other way.
DA 2 and DAO also had a nice big amount of abilities and i could give my companions and my points on strengh, magic, wisdom etc. Than made this games so deep beside their great story.(DAO>DA 2>DAI)
No, no, and no.
They weren't enamoured of Skyrim, the fans were. There was a huge outcry for more open world when da 2 came out. The loudest kept saying how Skyrim was sooo much better than DA2, and the da series must be like Skyrim.
Let Bioware be Bioware.
DAI really isn't open world. Skyrim is a completely different animal. There are no companions, and it is just a series of faction quest that are not even connected very well. People play Skyrim because it is open world and a sandbox. Skyrim is easy to mod. I don't think anyone takes the Skyrim story seriously.
Skyrim is not better than DA2, and I'm one of the people that love Skyrim for what it is "open sandbox modding playground".
yes I was here and yes it was "I want skyrim" but I clearly remembers it was a hell of a lot more we want DAO back,
That is also fact, Stuff it!
btw Considering how bad DA2 was, really anything from that time that was better would have been a better alternative.
I remember as well. Post here and also in Amazon reviews point the finger to wanting something more like DAO.
LOL, I must be the only rpg fan who doesn't get TW3. That's because I got stuck in TW2 in the Kayran fight and lost all motivation to go on. Unless someone tells me that TW3 has no boss fights with prescripted combat moves (basically that amounted to a sequence of QTEs) I'm not going to play it. Too bad, I like the world and I'd probably like the story.
Having said that, Bioware should take some inspiration from the way choices and consequences were handled in TW games.
I would never compare these two games - just different gaming philosophies behind them. I'm way into 150 hours in TW3 and I honestly miss the questing hierarchy from BW games, though I love TW3... meaning, DA:I and TW3 are good in their own rights. I love DA for the story, order, personal relationships and I love The Witcher 'cause of Geralt's personality, Slavic mythology, and the lack of auto-censorship. I wish the best for both developer teams 'cause they created amazing games and their products are not for comparison. Simple as that.
Yeah im getting bored of all the cinematic dialogue too, i wish i could just walk up to a ! read a letter on a dead body that isn't actually in the world, then go collect 10 nekker hearts. Or do you mean the main story that is 10 quest's long?
Nah seriously, give an example, i must be missing something because i am 20 hours into a 2nd attempt at inquisition and my journal is absolutely full to the rafters of meaningless fetch quests, pointless character quests like destroy red lyrium, the main quests that are there like meet iron bull/black wall is 3 lines of dialogue with a few enemies to fight before hand. The only part im enjoying is going back to haven and talking to the companions, there isn't enough of this!
I dont know about you, but i would rather have 5 quests with substance then 500 with nothing but tedium, because thats the 'hierarchy' ive experienced from inquisition.
These two games can be compared. Don't listen to any of the people that say otherwise, TC. It's possible they have no idea how criticism actually works.
If I'm honest The Witcher feels far more to me like Red Dead Redemption, to me. With the addition of more decision making. You ride around encountering events and people in the wilds, who give you quests through cutscenes. There is a central plot to follow if you wish. I strikes a very good balance. Gets many things very right.
It's downside is that you are playing a pre-defined central character. Not your own.
I hope that whenever they start making the 4th Dragon Age title there are quite a few design ideas seen in the Witcher 3 which are considered for the series. Because lets face it, the Witcher 3 has hundreds of bullshit side questsd. But they don't *feel* like bullshit side quests, because every single one of them is started abd finished through a cutscene, and many can be completed more than one way.
Earlier Dragon Age games followed that pattern. DAI did not.
DAI really isn't open world. Skyrim is a completely different animal. There are no companions, and it is just a series of faction quest that are not even connected very well. People play Skyrim because it is open world and a sandbox. Skyrim is easy to mod. I don't think anyone takes the Skyrim story seriously.
Skyrim is not better than DA2, and I'm one of the people that love Skyrim for what it is "open sandbox modding playground".
Bioware has made some of the best rpg's ever made. They would do well to see where their competitors raise the bar in ways that their customers respond to, but their biggest source of inspiration shuld be the great games that Bioware made their name with. And in the case of DA, DAO should be the touchstone IMO. I think it's great that Skyrim's example led Bioware to re-emphasize exploration. But what matters to me most in Bioware games are the stories, the characters/relationships, and the party based tactical combat.
The issue is that Bioware decided to re-formulate the franchise after DAO came out: frustrating the fans who fell in love with DAO. Then the fan base that they attracted with DA2 has quite different preferences from many of the DAO fans. Now they're going to ****** off both 'sides' no matter what they do. Damned stupid way to handle a franchise IMO.
Until recently, DAO has been my favorite game of all time. However, it's now dropped down to number 2 thanks to TW3. The side quests in that game are so much more narratively rewarding IMO: they're an astonishing generational leap above any other modern RPG. I still prefer party based combat, but I am just in awe of how well done TW3 is.
DAI is a good game, and better than DA2 (also a good but disappointing game), but outside of the main story quests, and a couple of party member personal quests, it's chock full of narratively uninteresting filler. I get that they were experimenting with environmental storytelling, but I vastly prefer proper cutscenes and such. I do hope that Bioware take time to evaluate how TW3 team approached side quest design and implement a Bioware-take on that because after TW3, I'm going to find it hard to go back to they type of blatant fetch/Fedex/MMO questing that was so prevalent in DAI.
This isn't a bash on DAI. There's a lot to like about it. But I personally can't compare it to TW3 and not find it to be very lacking in the areas I care about.
Looks like we still have a witcher fan-boy infestation ...(When will Google make an app to block that?)
It's stupid to compare them . They are too different.
The Witcher started from books .For Dragon age the books came after the game .
Geralt is preset character . Dragon Age's main characters are customizable.
I would keep going but I'm tired ...
These clowns clearly don't have anything else to do. Man the Witcher thread site must be really boring .
Looks like we still have a witcher fan-boy infestation ...(When will Google make an app to block that?)
OP said if he's anything, he's a DAO fan, and you would notice if you actually read the posts here.
And yes, you can compare 2 RPGs that differ in style because some elements are common ones like side-questing and cinematic dialogue. (both games have them)
OP said if he's anything, he's a DAO fan, and you would notice if you actually read the posts here.
And yes, you can compare 2 RPGs that differ in style because some elements are common ones like side-questing and cinematic dialogue. (both games have them)
Now I've read it. And he is very wowed by "The Witcher 3" .
Nice that there are people who see it the same/similare way like I.
Now I've read it. And he is very wowed by "The Witcher 3" .
Yes because TW3 is a new and DAO will vor ever stay in 2. place if there isn´t a new and realy great DA game coming.
I am a fanboy who newer really played one of the TW Games to the end. I must be such a shame.
Looks like we still have a witcher fan-boy infestation ...(When will Google make an app to block that?)
It's stupid to compare them . They are too different.
The Witcher started from books .For Dragon age the books came after the game .
Geralt is preset character . Dragon Age's main characters are customizable.
I would keep going but I'm tired ...
These clowns clearly don't have anything else to do. Man the Witcher thread site must be really boring .
Never read a TW book but i can understand the story from only playing the game and every thing behind it. just need a little intelegence for that.
Like a other person said in this thread Da books support the understanding of the story from Inquisition. I donßt want to pay 60 euros and have to buy books to understand the make everything clear. The ME books made that right.
I know that the games are diffrent but graphics, relation to the ground setting and size of the map and travelling are mostly comparable. And didn´t the developers started to compare the size of the map of DAI to other games.
And the combat i am comparing to DAO and DA 2 so im my POV these are points you can compare.
As I said, the battle cry was 'be like Skyrim!' when it came out. Considering the toxic atmosphere of bsn at the time, I'm actually understating what was said. It was ugly.
So sad. The funny thing is there were people at the Elder Scroll threads who wanted more interaction with followers. They wanted better followers.
I just can't imagine anyone thinking Bioware should be Skyrim. That is like asking them to get rid of story, companion banter, companion combat control and the list goes on.
Bigger maps and more areas is not only Skyrim. There are plenty of games that provide that.
I feel the real direction Bioware is headed is multi-player. I don't play multi-player, but that would explain the eight buttons.
Personally, I enjoyed DAO and read the books that went along with the DA universe. DAI seems to do a pretty good job of pulling in some of the past nicely for me at least. I miss the combat wheel with more options, but I don't think that is coming back.
DAI I can play at least four times with the different races and options. That is one of Bioware's assets. Options for different things happening was key to playing it multiple times.
DAI is not a Skyrim game.
So sad. The funny thing is there were people at the Elder Scroll threads who wanted more interaction with followers. They wanted better followers.
I just can't imagine anyone thinking Bioware should be Skyrim. That is like asking them to get rid of story, companion banter, companion combat control and the list goes on.
Bigger maps and more areas is not only Skyrim. There are plenty of games that provide that.
I feel the real direction Bioware is headed is multi-player. I don't play multi-player, but that would explain the eight buttons.
Personally, I enjoyed DAO and read the books that went along with the DA universe. DAI seems to do a pretty good job of pulling in some of the past nicely for me at least. I miss the combat wheel with more options, but I don't think that is coming back.
DAI I can play at least four times with the different races and options. That is one of Bioware's assets. Options for different things happening was key to playing it multiple times.
DAI is not a Skyrim game.
No one said DAI WAS a Skyrim game, but people were screaming "Skyrim rulz" along with "Witcher 2 rulz" and there was much sound and fury about Bioware needing to be more like those games. Thus my original comment about it was not the designers being enamored of Skyrim, but player demand that drove the move to larger areas like the Hinterlands.
I doubt Bioware will ever go fully multiplayer in games like DA series. And it isn't unprecedented considering BG had a co-op mode, as did NWN. The next several games did not, then they went back to it in Mass Effect 3, though in a different style (not playing through the campaign in co-op, but combat matches).
RPGs are still a niche market, though it is expanding as other genres start using RPG mechanics (the new Tomb Raider reboot is an example of this), and EA isn't going to kill the golden goose just yet, especially since DAI has done well for them. We may see more co-op as a side, though I doubt we'll be seeing anything like Fable Legends, which while it has a single player mode seems to be designed more for co-op play.
How should someone rate a game if he don´t compare it with a other game?
Subjectively, instead of trying to claim something as factual. The whole issue is "in your opinion". I have no opinion about TW 3, other than it's fanbase really needs to be reigned in on other gaming forums, up to and including infractions and vacations if they can't keep the discussion of TW 3 to CDPR's boards, or, and here's a real shocker; in the Off Topic section of other game's forums, since, shock of all shocks, it's Off Topic on any board not dedicated to TW 3.
first of all i give only my opinion in this thread.
second i would never go to a cdpr or TW forum just because i see no need to speak about the witcher 3 as a game alone. But DAI was a disappointment and I have seen things in the witcher that could have also made this way in DAI.
But i also could have named my threat why DAI is not good. but then i would only be the hater so i try to give constructive critic on the game.
ANd here is the name of this thread for all people who shut there brain down after reading the witcher:
Dragon Age Inquisition and The Witcher 3/DA:O compared
first of all i give only my opinion in this thread.
second i would never go to a cdpr or TW forum just because i see no need to speak about the witcher 3 as a game alone. But DAI was a disappointment and I have seen things in the witcher that could have also made this way in DAI.
But i also could have named my threat why DAI is not good. but then i would only be the hater so i try to give constructive critic on the game.
ANd here is the name of this thread for all people who shut there brain down after reading the witcher:
Dragon Age Inquisition and The Witcher 3/DA:O compared
Here's a shocker for you, I'm not a hater; I don't care. I don't care what you thought about the Witcher, if I did, I'd go check out reviews of the Witcher. I don't care how you think it compares to DA O, or DA I. I care that the whole topic is off topic for this forum. This is for discussion of DA I with spoilers. That's what I expect to see when I come here, not troll #1,234,567 about how the Witcher is better. There is an Off Topic section of this forum if you want to do that, it's part of why it exists.
The witcher 3/DAO compared with DAI
That means i compare DAO with DAI and TW 3 with DAI not TW3 with DAO.
And this is a discussion about DAI and its problems so it has it´s right to be her
If you have a problem with this topic or anithing and don´t want to discuss then just ignore it and hush
IMO - we certainly can compare and contrast the two games.
IMO - we certainly can compare and contrast the two games.
But how many threads must we do it in? We've already got 200+ pages of "Suggestion...be more like the Witcher 3", and "What DAI does better than TW3" etc...
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