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[TammieAZ]

IMO - we certainly can compare and contrast the two games.

It's been done already in other threads . Why keep copying  and pasting the same thread over and over again? So freaking annoying .

[duckley]

Yes, there are multiple threads on several topic areas. The ones on hairstyles comes to mind.
I personally enjoy reading the various threads. I guess its up to the mods to chose to close or delete threads that cover similar topics.

[robertthebard]

The witcher 3/DAO compared with DAI
 
That means i compare  DAO with DAI and TW 3 with DAI not TW3 with DAO.
 
And this is a discussion about DAI and its problems so it has it´s right to be her
 
If you have a problem with this topic or anithing and don´t want to discuss then just ignore it and hush

Here's a better idea, post it where it belongs. This isn't the "The Witcher 3 is better" support forum, this is the DA I Scuttlebutt forum, where we can discuss DA I. I noticed earlier you said you wouldn't dare post this crap on the Witcher forums, and I was curious, is it because you know they'd kick you to the curb there? I know that that's the idea that would get my vote here. Move the topic to the trash, and give the OP a vacation from the forums to consider what the forum rules and guidelines are for.

[Cobra's_back]

Dear Shepard 0445,

 

Your comment: "First of all this isn´t a thread to make any of the mentioned games bad or to hate them but to compare these games and to draw some conclusions. (Sorry for my bad english)"

 

This could be why you are having difficulty understanding what others are saying. I'm going to try to make this simple. People play games for different reasons. My top 5 for an RPG is not universal. I'm not addicted to gaming.  If the game does fit the requirements, I'm not playing it. 

 

My personal requirement for an RPG:

 

1. Must be able to customize gender and face. A bonus if I can have multiple races with different backgrounds.

 

2. I have to like the story.

 

3. I want multiple builds.

 

4. I want to be able to make decisions that have different outcomes while playing a paragon or normal person. I don't care for renegade. This makes the game playable multiple times.

 

OR

 

Give me different faction quest, and I'll decide which I want to play.

 

 

5. I want an adventure. That means I want to visit many places.

 

Icing on the cake:

 

The game gives me companions/followers that I can control in battles. The followers have entertaining banter. Varric

 

Deterrents:

 

Annoying followers

 

Not being allowed to play a good guy. Yes, I don't want to feel slimy after playing the game.

 

Please note these are my personal wants not everyone is looking for the same thing. 

[shepard0445]

 

Dear Shepard 0445,

 

Your comment: "First of all this isn´t a thread to make any of the mentioned games bad or to hate them but to compare these games and to draw some conclusions. (Sorry for my bad english)"

 

This could be why you are having difficulty understanding what others are saying. I'm going to try to make this simple. People play games for different reasons. My top 5 for an RPG is not universal. I'm not addicted to gaming.  If the game does fit the requirements, I'm not playing it. 

 

My personal requirement for an RPG:

 

1. Must be able to customize gender and face. A bonus if I can have multiple races with different backgrounds.

 

2. I have to like the story.

 

3. I want multiple builds.

 

4. I want to be able to make decisions that have different outcomes while playing a paragon or normal person. I don't care for renegade. This makes the game playable multiple times.

 

OR

 

Give me different faction quest, and I'll decide which I want to play.

 

 

5. I want an adventure. That means I want to visit many places.

 

Icing on the cake:

 

The game gives me companions/followers that I can control in battles. The followers have entertaining banter. Varric

 

Deterrents:

 

Annoying followers

 

Not being allowed to play a good guy. Yes, I don't want to feel slimy after playing the game.

 

Please note these are my personal wants not everyone is looking for the same thing. 

 Ok. Thats your oopinion...

 

Nice to see people stay reasonable even if they dislike my POV.

 

 

Here's a better idea, post it where it belongs. This isn't the "The Witcher 3 is better" support forum, this is the DA I Scuttlebutt forum, where we can discuss DA I. I noticed earlier you said you wouldn't dare post this crap on the Witcher forums, and I was curious, is it because you know they'd kick you to the curb there? I know that that's the idea that would get my vote here. Move the topic to the trash, and give the OP a vacation from the forums to consider what the forum rules and guidelines are for.

 

I wouldn´t go to a TW3 forum because i don´t like to dicuse the witcher 3 but the problems of DAI.

So if your only argument bestands of "off topic" because you have no other ideas what would speak for DAI than ok.

 

This was the last time that i answered to a thread which only says tht it is off topic and that has no proper aruments like ghostbusters101 (mean it in a good way).

 

 

The thing with the bad english was just meant that i can´t write complicated senteces du to gramatic problems.

[robertthebard]

Ok. Thats your oopinion...
 
Nice to see people stay reasonable even if they dislike my POV.
 
 
 
I wouldn´t go to a TW3 forum because i don´t like to dicuse the witcher 3 but the problems of DAI.
So if your only argument bestands of "off topic" because you have no other ideas what would speak for DAI than ok.
 
This was the last time that i answered to a thread which only says tht it is off topic and that has no proper aruments like ghostbusters101 (mean it in a good way).

 
 
The thing with the bad english was just meant that i can´t write complicated senteces du to gramatic problems.

If you're not gung ho about TW 3, then why even include it in your post? If you're concern is problems with DA I, then surely they existed before TW 3 released, since it did release later than DA I. No where in this thread, or any other, have I expressed a desire, or had a compulsion to tell someone that they must like everything about DA I. I don't like everything about DA I. I have, however, expressed those opinions, some of them before the game even released. I did not, however, feel a compulsion to compare it to unrelated games, or to add to the clutter on the Spoiler forum with threads about unrelated games.

I will, however, give you one Witcher comparison: Overall, DA is a better series than the Witcher. Using the logic put forth in threads like this one, this is an objective opinion, based on the fact that I have yet to complete either of the first two Witcher games, and haven't even purchased the third one, but I have completed all of the DA games, at the very least twice, and in the case of the first two, I have more completions than I can even track, due to a HDD crash. So I don't see what all the fuss is about the Witcher, if it were truly that great, surely I'd be able to log at least one completion on either of the first two, and would have been all over the pre-order of the third, as I was with DA I, right?

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Modifié par robertthebard, 26 juin 2015 - 03:52 .

[shepard0445]

If you're not gung ho about TW 3, then why even include it in your post? If you're concern is problems with DA I, then surely they existed before TW 3 released, since it did release later than DA I. No where in this thread, or any other, have I expressed a desire, or had a compulsion to tell someone that they must like everything about DA I. I don't like everything about DA I. I have, however, expressed those opinions, some of them before the game even released. I did not, however, feel a compulsion to compare it to unrelated games, or to add to the clutter on the Spoiler forum with threads about unrelated games.

I will, however, give you one Witcher comparison: Overall, DA is a better series than the Witcher. Using the logic put forth in threads like this one, this is an objective opinion, based on the fact that I have yet to complete either of the first two Witcher games, and haven't even purchased the third one, but I have completed all of the DA games, at the very least twice, and in the case of the first two, I have more completions than I can even track, due to a HDD crash. So I don't see what all the fuss is about the Witcher, if it were truly that great, surely I'd be able to log at least one completion on either of the first two, and would have been all over the pre-order of the third, as I was with DA I, right?

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And i fell this compulsion  so let me live it.

 

I never compared the two franchises i only compared the two 3th instalments of those franchices. 

 

In the Overall DA is better than TW but DAI and TW3 compared seperatly TW3 is better and had some things i thought i would see in DAI before i got it. My biggest problem is that i see were DA is going and this is going farer and farer away from its routs in matter of the setting.

[robertthebard]

And i fell this compulsion  so let me live it.
 
I never compared the two franchises i only compared the two 3th instalments of those franchices. 
 
In the Overall DA is better than TW but DAI and TW3 compared seperatly TW3 is better and had some things i thought i would see in DAI before i got it. My biggest problem is that i see were DA is going and this is going farer and farer away from its routs in matter of the setting.

You felt the compulsion to violate forum's rules, and we're just supposed to humor you because you don't speak English? Nothing about TW, any of the three games, is a spoiler for DA I. Nothing. That is what this forum is for, discussion of DA I with spoilers allowed. What part of any of the Wicther games applies to DA I? This, the off topic section of the BSN is where discussion of The Witcher et al belongs on these forums. Certainly not in the spoiler section for DA I. If you'd posted it over there, you'd not see a single post in this thread by me. I post here because I came here to discuss DA I, and instead, I'm once again inundated with how TW 3 is better. Take it to off topic, that's where it belongs here, or take it to CDPR's forums, since I'm sure they're discussing how great a game TW 3 is over there every day w/out someone telling them "Hey, don't you think you logged into the wrong forum"?

[Majestic Jazz]

DAI is old news. TW3, Fallout 4, and ME:A are the new hype.

[ESTAQ99]

And i fell this compulsion  so let me live it.

 

I never compared the two franchises i only compared the two 3th instalments of those franchices. 

 

In the Overall DA is better than TW but DAI and TW3 compared seperatly TW3 is better and had some things i thought i would see in DAI before i got it. My biggest problem is that i see were DA is going and this is going farer and farer away from its routs in matter of the setting.

 

 

I hope you won't be intimidated by the aggressivity from robertthebard. You didn't violate any forum rule by posting your thread on the scuttlebutt section of the forum. You are certainly discussing DAI in the way you chose to and with spoilers so it seems this is the right section.

 

Oh, and your English is good enough for anyone with two functional brain cells to understand. If you hear otherwise, it surely, must be coming from some angry bigot who is trying to dissuade you from posting. That has a name, is called bullying.

 

Like you, I like DA in general. As someone posted before, DAO and DA2 kept me thinking about the story and the characters interactions even when I wasn't playing the game. I played both games countless times. I never found the shortcomings of DA2 overwhelming as it seems happened to some players.

 

Since I don't want to bash DAI, I will just say that I keep coming to this forum with the hope there is some news about a possible future meaty story content DLC that could reignite my enthusiasm. I don't think I could be replaying DAI as it is right now (I just got bored of the game really quick. I'm not sure why), but I wouldn't think twice if a really good DLC (or four of them), comes along. I like that much DA lore.

[Helios969]

Don't try to compare games...compare your gaming experience in each.  I enjoyed DAI.  There were many good improvements, had a solid story, and the usual interesting characters.  The main problem that most can agree upon is the imbalance in gameplay vs. story content (and lack of cinematics imo.)  There are long periods of grinding that can be rather tedious.  I'm brand new to TW-series and found TW3's focused narrative so tightly bound and well conceived that through 3 playthroughs thus far I've yet to find myself bored.  You bounce between mainstory and sidequests hardly noticing the difference.  Not since DAO have I been this enamored with a game.  Of course with a fixed protagonist you are somewhat limited in how you RP, e.g. it lacks the freedom DAI provides in race, gender, sexuality, and to some extent personality.  But storywise TW3 body slams DAI.  I truly hope Bioware takes notice and incorporates some what TW3 provides into their own future endeavors, (like replacing those God awful sidequests of DAI in favor of CDPR's approach.)

[panzerwzh]

 

This video pretty much sums up my point. How to make a RPG world with emotional attraction, let the player choices has gravity and make player really care about the characters and the story/suffering/complexity. Bioware  should take notes of all these elements from TW3. Especially basic script writing!  

[shepard0445]

I hope you won't be intimidated by the aggressivity from robertthebard. You didn't violate any forum rule by posting your thread on the scuttlebutt section of the forum. You are certainly discussing DAI in the way you chose to and with spoilers so it seems this is the right section.

 

Oh, and your English is good enough for anyone with two functional brain cells to understand. If you hear otherwise, it surely, must be coming from some angry bigot who is trying to dissuade you from posting. That has a name, is called bullying.

 

Like you, I like DA in general. As someone posted before, DAO and DA2 kept me thinking about the story and the characters interactions even when I wasn't playing the game. I played both games countless times. I never found the shortcomings of DA2 overwhelming as it seems happened to some players.

 

Since I don't want to bash DAI, I will just say that I keep coming to this forum with the hope there is some news about a possible future meaty story content DLC that could reignite my enthusiasm. I don't think I could be replaying DAI as it is right now (I just got bored of the game really quick. I'm not sure why), but I wouldn't think twice if a really good DLC (or four of them), comes along. I like that much DA lore.

 

Thanks for the nice post. I will just don´t awnser him any more if he isn´t discussing.

 

I also have the same hope for a DLC in the stile of the DAO and DA 2 ones.

[bondari reloads.]

As far as complaints from people who played the prequels (like me) go, past decisions are mostly irrelevant in W3, as are the NPCs from the last installment, whose whereabouts are either unknown or not spoken of. Ironically, Bioware is mentioned as a shining example for taking the player's choices into account.

Considering the sometimes heated discussions about their games, it is most admirable that they do not go the easy way CDPR chose. The Keep is proof of their commitment.

And there is story DLC to come, so you may still enjoy the game. The Citadel DLC certainly had that effect (pun) on a lot of people who ... disagreed with ME3's ending.

[Cobra's_back]

As far as complaints from people who played the prequels (like me) go, past decisions are mostly irrelevant in W3, as are the NPCs from the last installment, whose whereabouts are either unknown or not spoken of. Ironically, Bioware is mentioned as a shining example for taking the player's choices into account.

Considering the sometimes heated discussions about their games, it is most admirable that they do not go the easy way CDPR chose. The Keep is proof of their commitment.

And there is story DLC to come, so you may still enjoy the game. The Citadel DLC certainly had that effect (pun) on a lot of people who ... disagreed with ME3's ending.

 

Totally agree. Having different choices allow for several different outcomes. Certainly helps replay value.

[leaguer of one]

First of all if you ever played a game than it isn´t possible to rate a game objektive because you would always have a unconscious comparison with a game you played before.

 

If you put it in that way every game which is play able is good.

(If we folow this path deeper this will becoome a nice psychological disucusion)

No you don't. or at least I don't.

[leaguer of one]

 

This video pretty much sums up my point. How to make a RPG world with emotional attraction, let the player choices has gravity and make player really care about the characters and the story/suffering/complexity. Bioware  should take notes of all these elements from TW3. Especially basic script writing!  

Dude, that's bw's mo from buldar's gate 2. Added, when ever a heavy hitting choice come up people wine about it.

[Helios969]

 

This video pretty much sums up my point. How to make a RPG world with emotional attraction, let the player choices has gravity and make player really care about the characters and the story/suffering/complexity. Bioware  should take notes of all these elements from TW3. Especially basic script writing!  

That sound bite really raises excellent points.  I've taken many creative writing classes in my life and the one constant from teacher to teacher they would preach was "show, don't tell."  I never really thought about it in terms of video games until now but it really does apply.  TW3 constantly shows us an awful world while DAI tells us the world is awful.  The latter really does make it difficult to care about the world and the people in it while TW3 provides us a reason to look deeper into the social and political messages writers are trying to get across.

[Avejajed]

I haven't read this whole thread (because reasons) and I haven't played the Witcher (because reasons) but I will say that I watched a few scenes on YT via fluffy llama ninja or fluffy ninja llama whatever, and the voice acting from Triss and Geralt is truly terrible. And the writing was just silly.

That may be a one off but our game has them beat in that department hands down.

[Avejajed]

They have nice hair though.

[panzerwzh]

That sound bite really raises excellent points.  I've taken many creative writing classes in my life and the one constant from teacher to teacher they would preach was "show, don't tell."  I never really thought about it in terms of video games until now but it really does apply.  TW3 constantly shows us an awful world while DAI tells us the world is awful.  The latter really does make it difficult to care about the world and the people in it while TW3 provides us a reason to look deeper into the social and political messages writers are trying to get across.

Seeing is believing. TW3 just provide player such a rare opportunity to enjoy the vivid yet grim the witcher world.

 

A simple side quest in TW3 yet perfectly shows a tragic love story during chaos war time in conjunction with the other grim themes like discrimination between aristocrat and peasants, greedy human nature, regret, deceiving and revenge or reunion of love and  redemption (depends on Witcher's choice). Such memorable experience itself is far more rewarding than almost anything I experienced in DAI.  Again seeing is believing.

Spoiler

 

Ending 1 : Revenge

 

Ending 2: Reunion and redemption

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCUDtrSa1Gg

[Dreadstruck]

That quest really took me by suprise the first time I did it. Suffice to say, I messed it up a well because I wasn't paying enough attention.

[Majestic Jazz]

Seeing is believing. TW3 just provide player such a rare opportunity to enjoy the vivid yet grim the witcher world.

 

A simple side quest in TW3 yet perfectly shows a tragic love story during chaos war time in conjunction with the other grim themes like discrimination between aristocrat and peasants, greedy human nature, regret, deceiving and revenge or reunion of love and  redemption (depends on Witcher's choice). Such memorable experience itself is far more rewarding than almost anything I experienced in DAI.  Again seeing is believing.

Spoiler

 

Ending 1 : Revenge

 

Ending 2: Reunion and redemption

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCUDtrSa1Gg

 

Good point. Problem with DAI was that the game only allows you to "experience" the world's conflicts through reading letters and stuff, very MMOish whereas TW3 puts your right in it.

[Helios969]

I haven't read this whole thread (because reasons) and I haven't played the Witcher (because reasons) but I will say that I watched a few scenes on YT via fluffy llama ninja or fluffy ninja llama whatever, and the voice acting from Triss and Geralt is truly terrible. And the writing was just silly.

That may be a one off but our game has them beat in that department hands down.

Prior to playing TW3 I probably would have agreed, but the VA is top notch across the board.  CDPR is the only other game devs I've come across that could rival Bioware in this regard.  It's like any game, unless you invest yourself into the world it's hard to judge.  With Geralt you kind of have to understand who and what he is to appreciate what the VA brought to the table, (I'll admit when I first started playing I couldn't get Conan the Barbarian out of my head.)

[robertthebard]

Prior to playing TW3 I probably would have agreed, but the VA is top notch across the board.  CDPR is the only other game devs I've come across that could rival Bioware in this regard.  It's like any game, unless you invest yourself into the world it's hard to judge.  With Geralt you kind of have to understand who and what he is to appreciate what the VA brought to the table, (I'll admit when I first started playing I couldn't get Conan the Barbarian out of my head.)

The problem is, it's the game's job to engage me. It doesn't, or rather, it hasn't, over two installments. I like what CDPR's doing, so I buy their games, but the reality is, if they're not grabbing me, they're not, and they're not. As it stands right now, there are three games installed on this rig, single player, that is, that I haven't finished: The Witcher, The Witcher 2, and Prince of Persia. If I'm going to base my comparisons on that alone, then even the first 2 Assassin's Creed games, along with Brotherhood and Revelations are better than The Witcher, since I've got multiple completions on those as well.

That's the problem with jumping online and trying to portray one game as objectively better than another though, and this isn't directed at the poster I quoted here, but at the thread: The games didn't engage me enough to get me to complete them, but they have obviously engaged others. The whole concept is subjective, since it requires that one finds something that grabs them, and makes them keep playing. I recently purchased KotoR and KotoR 2, and have already completed a Light/Dark run of KotoR, and have the Darkside run done on KotoR 2, with the Light side run about 3/4 of the way through. I'm not even a huge SW fan, but they were on sale, and I was bored, so I got 'em and played 'em, and played 'em. They got my attention, and kept it long enough that I got up to grab a drink the other night, and realized it was 5:30AM, that's how hard they grabbed me, The Witcher has failed to do that, ever. So should I be going on about how bad they are?