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[Qun00]

At first, I thought it was an easy choice.

Hawke already had his moment as a hero, and the wardens need someone to lead them into a new beginning.

But here is what makes this decision a little harder.

Hawke's death just seems to render the romance in DA2 pointless. Naturally, some of us would like it to be forever or at least last for a long time.

I'd say the same for the romance in other DA games.

[NoForgiveness]

Happily ever afters are nice and all but i like a tragic ending. Sadness is an important emotion. One that shouldn't be avoided in any story.

[Abelas Forever!]

On my first playthrough I had to choose between Alistair and Hawke. My warden was in a relationship with Alistair and my Hawke was in a relationship with Fenris. So I was quite annoyed because I don't like that my romances end when I don't want that to happen. I guess there is chance that the one who was left behind will survive but I don't believe that unless I see it happen. Anyway I have solved that annoying problem by either playing the game with king Alistair when I can sacrifice Stroud or with warden Alistair and some random Hawke who I create at the keep and who I can sacrifice.

[Serelir]

The bad part of saving Hawke was that he just walked out of the story after that. I justified leaving Stroud behind in the belief that he will survive and have an interesting time wandering around the Fade until he finds one of the numerous rifts I haven't closed yet and pops out again.

[Ninna]

The Wardens are more important than Hawke. I don't think sacrificing Hawke renders the romances of DA2 pointless.

 

The main reason to save Hawke is an emotional one. In my first playthrough, I imported a Hawke who had nothing to lose (bad relationship with Carver, Anders as LI executed). I thought, This is easy! Must sacrifice Hawke! Her chance to shine and make things right! but then I actually left the PS3 running, went to do other stuff, and the choice was there showing on the screen for two hours. I should have let her die, but I couldn't. I don't even like DA2 that much, but I couldn't.

 

Varric was in my party, I think that was a factor, too. I also thought, the Wardens were reborn from the ashes before, they can do it again... It's not like there aren't any other Wardens left. The Champion is a symbol, Stroud is not. Symbols have power, The Champion falling would be a bad sign. If my Warden had been Alistair, though, I would have chosen Alistair over Hawke.

 

But in reality, the only "logical" reason to save Hawke over the Warden I can think of is using a Hawke who kept Anders alive and is taking care of him, because an Anders left heartbroken, alone, with no support, and angry at Hawke's death sounds dangerous and could pose a threat to others. I hadn't thought about this until I imported such Hawke for a new playthrough. 

 

The other LIs will be sad but can take care of themselves and won't be a danger to anyone. 

 

Also, I think Hawke will be back anyway XD

 

So I think sacrificing Hawke is better, in most of the cases. But I couldn't, even in a World State with no love interest involved, so yeah.

[SporkFu]

Thedas just isn't as great a place without sarcastic femHawke in it. Also, Merrill would be sad

[Ezra Watcher]

going to throw in my 2 pence. if you played dragon age 2 (or even just the beginning point). you talk to flemeth. (be a mage) ask to become a dragon and she says something about leaping "into the abyss" only then do you learn if you can fly. this to me says if hawke stays he/(she) will find a way out. 

 

either way its always up to whoever is playing but Stroud/Alistair have little to no experience in the fade but hawke knows and understands demons, has been in the fade before (not physically) so to me hawke has a better chance of finding a way out.

 

also Hawke is a BadAss while Stroud is not. Alistair is not too bad. (granted he was always a companion in every play through and my favourite romance in origins but he's not Badass material)

[Qun00]

Happily ever afters are nice and all but i like a tragic ending. Sadness is an important emotion. One that shouldn't be avoided in any story.

Yeah, but that makes for a real short relationship.

What's the time gap between DA2 and 3? One year?

[Korva]

Not to p*ss on anyone's parade, but as I said before, I'd hate for whoever stays behind to survive. There's so little loss and sacrifice both on a personal level and on a grander scale, way too much smooth sailing. Without these themes, stories that are supposely about epic threats to the whole world lose all urgency. Death should hurt, sacrifice should be permanent or it stops being meaningful. And I say that as someone who doesn't like people clamoring for "grimdark for grimdark's own sake" ... but I'm also not someone who wants "rainbows and unicorns and perfect happy endings all around". A well-done character death is a great story device (hello, ultimate sacrifice -- that's actually MY "perfect happy ending" on an OOC level if not, of course, an IC one).

 

Of course, whether this qualifies as "well-done" is up for debate and personal taste.

 

I never played DA2, but know enough about it that I agree with those who say that picking Hawke makes sense in a "Better me than them. They are more important still and have more to live for, I just want to do something right at last" kind of way.

[SgtSteel91]

I never played DA2, but know enough about it that I agree with those who say that picking Hawke makes sense in a "Better me than them. They are more important still and have more to live for, I just want to do something right at last" kind of way.

 

I sort of also apply this to Loghain as well. It makes an interesting choice between the two; two ****-ups who want to do something right for once and perhaps kind of have little regard to their own lives.

[Darth Marlon]

I think its a stupid move to sacrifice hawke he or she is stronger than the warden I mean unless you don't like hawke. Yes its a good death but I think hawke could do more alive than dead. There is wardens all over to so just bring a leader from somewhere.

[S.W.]

tbh I have very few cares for Hawke, but I actually find it quite difficult to justify leaving her to the Nightmare over Loghain (who is my warden on my canon worldstate... as well as most of the world states where I don't romance Alistair, actually).

 

+ Loghain should be approaching his 60s by this point in time, he's a seasoned warrior but doesn't have much longer to live.

+ Loghain is still not trusted in the Wardens for obvious reasons and I find it difficult to imagine he'd become any kind of leading figure if he survived.

+ Loghain has wanted to die from the very beginning. He has struggled with the consequences of his actions in DA:O, and wanted some kind of sacrificial, redeeming death if possible, where he could give back some of what he's taken. I find it difficult, given how little my Inquisitor knows Loghain, to resist his wishes there - I imagine if my Warden were in Inquisitor's place, who is much more familiar with him, she'd tell him not to be stupid and martyr himself unnecessarily (which the GWs have a habit of doing).

[Potato Cat]

Yeah, but that makes for a real short relationship.

What's the time gap between DA2 and 3? One year?

They still knew each other for about ten years.

[SgtSteel91]

Loghain is my Warden too. And I almost give in everytime, but Hawke's more desperate to do this and I feel like I'm being selfish when I choose anyone but her. Telling Loghain he was right, and the Wardens must rebuild. She practically begged that. And then the line "Corypheus is mine" is said with such a deep hate and determination, I feel as if I cheated her if I let her escape with me. And I always found Loghain the best choice for the Warden all the Wardens want to capture since he has a pretty bad rep with them. Alistair and Stroud are too loyal. But that's just me.

 

To me, if I'm sacrificing Loghain I'm going to ally with the Wardens and help them rebuild as allies. If Hawke is left in the Fade, the Wardens are exiled with Loghain leading them to Weisshaupt.

[Qun00]

According to the epilogue, exile results in the Order being on the verge of vanishing.

Definitely not the best course of action if you want the Grey Wardens to be reformed.

[Lazarillo]

Happily ever afters are nice and all but i like a tragic ending. Sadness is an important emotion. One that shouldn't be avoided in any story.

 

Although it's one that should not be forced in any story, such as a completely pointless "heroic sacrifice" scene intended only to cut a loose end from plot clutter.

 

Anyway, for me, romances are never really a consideration, just because they never really carry over between games anyway in the form of anything but the slightest lip service (although, because of that, I generally make it a point to seek out the romances that will canonically end during their respective games anyway).  All of Hawke's potential romantic partners are apparently people she doesn't trust enough to help with her secret mission anyway, so I'm not sure I'd expect them to be all that close, in truth.

[Melbella]

She told my Inquisitor that Fenris would die for her, and she refused to give him that opportunity, knowing he would. Meaning he would have been left in the Fade instead of her.

And considering Varric was squeamish about just sending Fenris a letter about Hawke going to Weisshaupt, I'm pretty sure anyone who did anything to harm Hawke (or leave her in the Fade) would always be looking over their shoulder in fear of a lyrium fist to the heart.  Yeah, I wouldn't want to be that person. So, in my games, Hawke who romanced Fenris always lives.