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And considering Varric was squeamish about just sending Fenris a letter about Hawke going to Weisshaupt, I'm pretty sure anyone who did anything to harm Hawke (or leave her in the Fade) would always be looking over their shoulder in fear of a lyrium fist to the heart.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be that person. So, in my games, Hawke who romanced Fenris always lives.
Yeah Fenris is one loyal elf, and when he has to write him of her demise, he looks like the whole world crumbled beneath his feet.
I've always had Stroud in all my playthroughs so far including my current one but I've always asved Hawke as I couldn't do that to Varric as he's a pretty close friend of mine in both games or at least has been so far. May change in future playthrough's though we 'll see how that goes on my next run.
I am so glad my Hawke romanced Isabella, not Fenris, for this reason. Care too much about Fenris to completely shatter his heart like that.
But in reality, the only "logical" reason to save Hawke over the Warden I can think of is using a Hawke who kept Anders alive and is taking care of him, because an Anders left heartbroken, alone, with no support, and angry at Hawke's death sounds dangerous and could pose a threat to others. I hadn't thought about this until I imported such Hawke for a new playthrough.
I never thought of that good point.The problem with that is the reason your Warden of choice is chosen to lead is because they never let the Callng affect them, or become influenced by Erimond and Clarel and their support of blood magic and binding. They are the only one trusted enough to lead the rest of the fools away from what they almost did.
My Hawke is female, so she will probably always be the one my Inquisitors pick to survive. And any unscrupulous Inquisitor I make will probably look at it as Hawke being the more valuable ally to the Inquisition, or too weak to hold off the Nightmare to allow their escape. But if I ever have a male Hawke and a Warden other than Stroud, then Hawke is a goner. Heck, I might even pick Stroud over a male Hawke.
My Hawke is female, so she will probably always be the one my Inquisitors pick to survive.
Could you explain that? You mentioned Hawke being "too weak to hold off the Nightmare." This is Hawke we're discussing, the one who killed the Arishok, etc.
The problem with that is the reason your Warden of choice is chosen to lead is because they never let the Callng affect them, or become influenced by Erimond and Clarel and their support of blood magic and binding. They are the only one trusted enough to lead the rest of the fools away from what they almost did.
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That's a good point. I wonder if this is the reason behind Hawke's anti blood magic views, even though Hawke could be played as a blood mage in DA2. Maybe there will be some significance to the survivor being anti blood magic. Or maybe not.
I think it's more or less because of what a blood mage did to her mother, and also, even if you side with Orsino and try and save the mages, most of them go crazy and use blood magic anyways. I think Hawke's dislike of blood mages isn't in regards to all blood mages, since Merrill is one too, but the ones using it to cause trauma and pain were far more extensive than Hawke and Merrill using it to stop criminals. I could also make Merrill an example of turning Hawke off blood magic after what happens to her clan and Keeper. In the end, by Act 3, blood magic was out of control (even her sibling or lover was trapped under it as a hostage) and even a blood mage Hawke being the only really responsible one to use it right would likely be done with everything.
I am so glad my Hawke romanced Isabella, not Fenris, for this reason. Care too much about Fenris to completely shatter his heart like that.
All of my Hawkes romanced Fenris. I just can't left any of them behind because then Fenris would be all alone 
That's a good point. I wonder if this is the reason behind Hawke's anti blood magic views, even though Hawke could be played as a blood mage in DA2. Maybe there will be some significance to the survivor being anti blood magic. Or maybe not.
Could you explain that? You mentioned Hawke being "too weak to hold off the Nightmare." This is Hawke we're discussing, the one who killed the Arishok, etc.
Sure. If it's a choice between a man staying behind and possibly dying, or a woman staying behind and possibly dying, then it is always the man's responsibility to make that sacrifice. As a general rule, you should save the women and the children first.
As for Hawke being too weak. Certain Inquisitors may estimate a female Hawke to be weaker than Stroud, Alistair, or Loghain. In which case having the stronger person stay behind will at least give your escape a better chance of succeeding, if not all of you escaping or the one staying behind surviving somehow.
Hawke may have killed the Arishok (or may not have), but who is to say Stroud, Alistair, or Loghain would not be able to kill him also? And who says Hawke didn't use cheap tricks to kill him? And who says killing him would adequately prepare one for the Nightmare?
It's a tragic "possible" death since the option implies they will likely die, but it's not official. We can assume it means like Leliana and others, whoever is sacrificed might pop up again someday.
As for sacrificing Hawke. I always do it because it's what she wants, and she feels she's finally doing something right after all the wrongs committed by her choices in the past. After all the pain and loss in DA2, as well as the outcome of the final battle, with the exception of a love interest, Hawke has nothing left and wishes to make this sacrifice so the Wardens have a chance at starting over. They are needed more than her or her romantic relationship, so Hawke to me will always be the logical choice to leave behind, plus the one that makes the most sense for reappearing again later since she's unstoppable in my eyes.
I never understood that. Why would Hawke want to die, or for the wardens? It makes no sense. Hawke was not responsible for Corypheus nor the wrongs done. My Hawke would have flipped his middle finger at Inquisitor and ran for the exit. Which he did, and didn´t go to Weisshaupt (and why the hell he would do that?). Instead he took Merrill with him and disappeared.
Honestly, I generally think it's a better choice to sacrifice Hawke. The Wardens will be needed again, and I do not trust keeping the Warden's around without them having a leader that isn't an idiot (I wish there was a choice along "Okay, Corphy is still around, so I need you guys to move out for now in case he takes over your minds, but stay safe and come back and do your jobs as soon as I take care of this idiot" rather then "invite them to stay around someone who may mind control them" and "EXILEEEEEEE"). I don't always, or even often, agree with what measures the Wardens can take: but we'll need them for the next two blights, and sending them off does not look like it goes anywhere good.
Also, Hawke just seems so done. One could argue that Loghain is old and not going to last much longer, but he still would have a few years to make the wardens not be idiots (and I imagine they'll respect him a lot more now that he turned out to be right), and Alistair and Stroud still seem to be doing strong. Hawke, if left, goes off to Weisshaupt. I don't think the Wardens will listen to a non Warden, and they may just kill her for releasing Corphy (who could not have escaped without her (or, well, Carver or Bethany)). That would be bad.
The only big issue is if she's romancing Anders. Isabella is mature enough that I trust her to be able to continue on (she'll be heartbroken, but she's probably the most well adjusted of the LI's by the end of the game), but the other four? Ack. Seb, Merill, and Fenris are not known for making smart decisions, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to come storming at the Inquisition with all their resources in fury. Anders, though, I think is the only one who could end up harming others besides the Inquisition in his heartbreak, though, as he does not have full control of himself. So, uh... Hawke with Anders generally gets to live, with the sad ending of the Warden's exiled. Otherwise, she (or in the rare case, he) dies, and the warden's continue on.
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I never understood that. Why would Hawke want to die, or for the wardens? It makes no sense. Hawke was not responsible for Corypheus nor the wrongs done. My Hawke would have flipped his middle finger at Inquisitor and ran for the exit. Which he did, and didn´t go to Weisshaupt (and why the hell he would do that?). Instead he took Merrill with him and disappeared.
Well my Mage Hawke's blood (her father) woke him from slumber in Legacy, so in a way she is partly the reason he's kicking around in DAI, along with Varric leading her into that unknown trap, which is why he blames himself.
But yeah our Hawke's are not that Hawke, even if dressed up to look like it. Hawke in DAI is the 4th personality that's invisible on the dialogue wheel imo. It's easy to grant her wish to stay behind. She's not my Hawke, she's just a Hawke who wants to redeem herself for her past mistakes. At least Stroud, Alistair and Loghain are still themselves.
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I wanted an option to have the Wardens return after the threat was defeated, but based on the epilogue, the Wardens are in serious trouble no matter what choice we make.
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True. And if you keep them, they want to reveal the secrets of the Grey Warden and it upsets the First Warden. I think the secret business needs to end too.
The Wardens are more important than Hawke. I don't think sacrificing Hawke renders the romances of DA2 pointless.
The main reason to save Hawke is an emotional one. In my first playthrough, I imported a Hawke who had nothing to lose (bad relationship with Carver, Anders as LI executed). I thought, This is easy! Must sacrifice Hawke! Her chance to shine and make things right! but then I actually left the PS3 running, went to do other stuff, and the choice was there showing on the screen for two hours. I should have let her die, but I couldn't. I don't even like DA2 that much, but I couldn't.
Varric was in my party, I think that was a factor, too. I also thought, the Wardens were reborn from the ashes before, they can do it again... It's not like there aren't any other Wardens left. The Champion is a symbol, Stroud is not. Symbols have power, The Champion falling would be a bad sign. If my Warden had been Alistair, though, I would have chosen Alistair over Hawke.
But in reality, the only "logical" reason to save Hawke over the Warden I can think of is using a Hawke who kept Anders alive and is taking care of him, because an Anders left heartbroken, alone, with no support, and angry at Hawke's death sounds dangerous and could pose a threat to others. I hadn't thought about this until I imported such Hawke for a new playthrough.
The other LIs will be sad but can take care of themselves and won't be a danger to anyone.
Also, I think Hawke will be back anyway XD
So I think sacrificing Hawke is better, in most of the cases. But I couldn't, even in a World State with no love interest involved, so yeah.
I dunno, I think Fenris could be pretty doggone dangerous - LOL! Of course killing off Hawke leaves room for a great fanfic of a grieving elf and the person who "comforts" him. (hmmm)
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I think Hawke's life already sucks enough. I don't need to kill them.
Secondly, a lot of DA players didn't like DA2 or Hawke to begin with. I'd just let them live, simply because I was a fan. There aren't as many it seems. So think of it as a small gesture, simply as a fan. Not a roleplaying choice, per se.
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I think Hawke's life already sucks enough. I don't need to kill them.
Secondly, a lot of DA players didn't like DA2 or Hawke to begin with. I'd just let them live, simply because I was a fan. There aren't as many it seems. So think of it as a small gesture, simply as a fan. Not a roleplaying choice, per se.
Interestingly enough DA2 was my first game (and fav) and I love my Hawke to pieces, so I did what she knew would be the right thing. Sacrifice. It's like killing the Archdemon as a beloved Warden, but on a much smaller scale.
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Interestingly enough DA2 was my first game (and fav) and I love my Hawke to pieces, so I did what she knew would be the right thing. Sacrifice.
I already have many dead Wardens. 
That's my other excuse.
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