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[Neria Rose]

Bioware's taken one of the most frowned-upon race tropes there are and worked it into a race that can be taken seriously.

 
I look at Asari and I still see magic blue space lesbians brought into existence for the f*pping crowd. And brought in in such a way that Bioware could twist words and not have to answer to denying Shepard a M/M relationship in ME1. Don't know how anyone can take them seriously. I will say Aria is fun as a character, though, in spite of her species. And they were far less annoying overall in ME3.

[Xen]

 

And I will argue, that they are a well thought out race.

Monogendered males would need a good explanation, because being a female is a 'fundamental' or 'primary' (I lack a good word here) gender. At least on Earth. 

What I mean is that it's males who need additional genetical information - and that in very early stages of fetus development, it has all-female characteristics (and not only humans or even mammals, but most organisms repreducing sexually with visible sexual dimorphism). 

 

That's more of a problem with oversexualization of Mass Effect universe in general. 

Garrus sex scene makes no sense either. It felt awkwardly forced, even in dialogue, like both sides just wanted a platonic relationship, not to mention it would not work ekhm... mechanically. Like, at all. 

No, they're Orion dancer girl clones. The Art of Mass Effect and Drew Karpyshyn said as much. Fanwanking parthenogenetic scientific explanations for them isn't helping your case. Were that the case, It makes no sense for them to have the same secondary sexual characteristics as human females when their species doesn't have evolutionary competition for males, other than as fanservice.

Garrus sex scene makes perfect sense. He sticks his alien clawhammer penis into the vagina. I don't know how you thought "test your reach and my flexibility" along with getting advice from Mordin about how not to chafe was somehow platonic, but w/e. Whether or not you want to bang turians is your opinion.

[Jester]

No, they're Orion dancer girl clones. The Art of Mass Effect and Drew Karpyshyn said as much. Fanwanking parthenogenetic scientific explanations for them isn't helping your case. Were that the case, It makes no sense for them to have the same secondary sexual characteristics as human females when their species doesn't have evolutionary competition for males, other than as fanservice.

True. Their breasts don't make much sense. Although they are mammalian as far as I know, so it's not 100% nonsensical. 

As to the shape of the body... except Rachni, almost all species are humanoidal (vorcha are negotiable).

 

Garrus sex scene makes perfect sense. He sticks his alien clawhammer penis into the vagina. I don't know how you thought "test your reach and my flexibility" along with getting advice from Mordin about how not to chafe was somehow platonic, but w/e. Whether or not you want to bang turians is your opinion.

 

Conversations about 'making this work' and asking Mordin for practical advice were absurd in my opinion.

Same with Tali. Seriously, is sex so important, we are gonna risk her damned life for it?! 

 

You cannot really treat Mass Effect universe 100% scientifically seriously - some elements were obviously thought out, others are lacking. Some Asari characterstics make sense, some do not. Similarly with other species.

In general cross-species physical sex is quite riddiculous. With Turians and Quarians comes the issue that is mentioned in the game several times - they are built of D-aminoacids, and are actually alergic to L-aminoacids (with untreated allergic reaction leading to death). That should basically trigger an allergic reaction during a kiss (our saliva has enzymes, which are proteins and has plenty of bacteria, made of D-aminoacids) not even mentioning an intercourse (especially unprotected intercourse). 

[WildOrchid]

I look at Asari and I still see magic blue space lesbians brought into existence for the f*pping crowd.

 

>implying it's bad.

 

 

Moar lesbian aliens.

[Chardonney]

Should there be Asari with male body types?

Should we have boob armour?

Should there be more female turian characters?

 

Oh my god, that chicken is back...

 

Okay... never mind... back to the topic... Male Asari? Yep, would be nice but never gonna happen, unfortunately. Boob armor? Detailed one? No, thank you. Female Turian? Uh... not against it but... who am I gonna romance then?

[Xen]

Conversations about 'making this work' and asking Mordin for practical advice were absurd in my opinion.

Same with Tali. Seriously, is sex so important, we are gonna risk her damned life for it?! 

 

You cannot really treat Mass Effect universe 100% scientifically seriously - some elements were obviously thought out, others are lacking. Some Asari characterstics make sense, some do not. Similarly with other species.

In general cross-species physical sex is quite riddiculous. With Turians and Quarians comes the issue that is mentioned in the game several times - they are built of D-aminoacids, and are actually alergic to L-aminoacids (with untreated allergic reaction leading to death). That should basically trigger an allergic reaction during a kiss (our saliva has enzymes, which are proteins and has plenty of bacteria, made of D-aminoacids) not even mentioning an intercourse (especially unprotected intercourse). 

At least you admit it's your opinion

I agree, so why come up with all these ridiculous and opinionated explanations? You can stomach aliens that all look suspiciously like female supermodels with blue body paint, but not sex with birdman? Perhaps that is a matter of taste, no? The supposed dextro v levo chirality "allergy" itself is based on a hilariously simplified misunderstanding of chemistry. If you want a real world example, go eat a mint and see if you have an allergic reaction to its D-amino proteins. 

[Beren Von Ostwick]

I propose the Manari.

 

A race of body-builders with mediterranean tans who are masculine, smart, have telepathic powers to know exactly what women want, total heart-throbs, work as male strippers for the sexually repressed of all races, and have the totally sensible ability to impregnate any other species regardless of gender by touch alone, with each offspring being genetically Manari.

 

Not going to lie, I read that as Mabari at first.

[Daemul]

Bioware's taken one of the most frowned-upon race tropes there are and worked it into a race that can be taken seriously.

 

 

A woman can look good and still be able to fight. 

 

 

[Hazegurl]

Should there be Asari with male body types?

Should we have boob armour?

Should there be more female turian characters?

Discuss.

Yes, but I think it would just be lore breaking at this point.  I'd rather they take the opportunity to create a new species like this since we're in a new galaxy.

 

Yep

 

Yep

[General TSAR]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes and yes. 

 

The Asari civilization have been shown to be nothing but weak and seductive minus the few warriors like Samara, Aria, and Tela Vasir. 

[Han Shot First]

Does anyone else dislike the concept of the Asari being monogendered?

 

I liked it.

 

It was the one aspect of the Asari that seemed very alien, despite the species being otherwise similar to humans. It also isn't that far-fetched, as there are species on Earth that can reproduce through parthenogenesis. Some species of shark have been known to do this in aquariums, for example. There is also a theory, though very much on the fringe and debunked, that human males will disappear. 

 

While the series never gets into the evolutionary history of the Asari, I think it would be interesting if that fringe theory for humanity actually played out with their species.

 

I think also that if the Asari instead came in two sexes and reproduced sexually, it would have made them a bit too human.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Oh, are we discussing Asari sex again?

 

Mh, what hasn't been said about them... oh, I know. Asari procreation is always incest.

 

Think about it, they use their own DNA for everything, there is no new DNA coming into the lineage and all they do is scramble their own DNA to create a "new" one. Honestly, the question here is... why do they even need a partner to mate? Couldn't they just create some kind of device that simulates a nervous system so their body can be tricked into pregnancy?

 

How long is their version of inheritance going to be viable until it breaks down?

 

There is also the question why the species of their partner matters if they don't contribute anything. Why are purebloods at a greater risk of becoming Ardat-Yakshi if there is no difference because the partner is always just a random number generator. Are Ardat-Yakshi the Asari equivalent of retarded incest babies?

 

Yes, I know this is fucked up. Don't look at me, I didn't create a monogendered species that procreates by playing lottery with their own genes.

 

You know what else is weird? A species with no sex drive. How did the Salarians ever survive without this evolutionary imperative?

 

Or how exactly did the Genophage work, if the Salarians stabilized it at 1 viable child in 1000 births? Are only one in 1000 females fertile? That would kill the species longterm. Or are Krogan playing lottery, too? I don't know if Krogan females would survive giving birth a couple hundred times until they get a living baby.

 

Anyway.

 

To leave you with a fun mental image: Aethyta had sex with a Hanar.

 

[Hellion Rex]

I propose the Manari.

 

A race of body-builders with mediterranean tans who are masculine, smart, have telepathic powers to know exactly what women want, total heart-throbs, work as male strippers for the sexually repressed of all races, and have the totally sensible ability to impregnate any other species regardless of gender by touch alone, with each offspring being genetically Manari.

TAKE MY MONEY.

[Xen]

 

I liked it.

 

It was the one aspect of the Asari that seemed very alien, despite the species being otherwise similar to humans. It also isn't that far-fetched, as there are species on Earth that can reproduce through parthenogenesis. Some species of shark have been known to do this in aquariums, for example. There is also a theory, though very much on the fringe and debunked, that human males will disappear. 

 

While the series never gets into the evolutionary history of the Asari, I think it would be interesting if that fringe theory for humanity actually played out with their species.

 

I think also that if the Asari instead came in two sexes and reproduced sexually, it would have made them a bit too human.

The idea that they are supposedly parthenogenetic (I don't think they are, since that is a form of asexual reproduction and asari are said to require a mate to "randomize genetic material" or whatever) makes the human female secondary sexual characteristics all the more inexplicable. The ability to meld and take genetic material from seemingly any organic organism in existence that has a nervous system is also ST klingon-human (or whatever else) hybrid levels of ridiculous.

It's just best not to think about it, but would make a bit more sense if asari didn't require a partner and just engage in mating behavior as an evolutionary vestigial behavior or something. Still, I guess it's not that bad in a universe with giant battletoads that crap on r/K selection with 1000 egg clutches and sapient jellyfish that developed metallurgy and technology levels required for space travel underwater.

[WildOrchid]

To leave you with a fun mental image: Aethyta had sex with a Hanar.

 

 

 

Why...

 

Though i gotta say, i didn't like much on how they were portrayed in ME trilogy.... they were always shown as dancers/hookers. Would've loved to see more asari like Aria, Samara, Aethyta, Tela and even Shiala or Kurin, even though the asari did fought well with their guerrilla tactics in their planets, until Thessia (or as I call it, writer's fail) happened.

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

Why...

 

Though i gotta say, i didn't like much on how they were portrayed in ME trilogy.... they were always shown as dancers/hookers. Would've loved to see more asari like Aria, Samara, Aethyta, Tela and even Shiala or Kurin, even though the asari did fought well with their guerrilla tactics in their planets, until Thessia (or as I call it, writer's fail) happened.

 

Aria's former name is Aleena, she's the commando who fought with Wrex (he tells you the whole story in ME1). She might have been a dancer at some point but it seems unlikely. Although she appreciates good dancers.

Samara tells you she was a dancer, then ran with mercs, pirates even.

Tela Vasir is only mentioned as Spectre but it is possible she had a wild party life before.

Shiala... we don't know anything about her past.

 

As far as we know, all Asari spend their maiden years just having fun. Liara is the odd one here, with being all serious and studying.

[Han Shot First]

 

The idea that they are supposedly parthenogenetic (I don't think they are, since that is a form of asexual reproduction and asari are said to require a mate to "randomize genetic material" or whatever) makes the human female secondary sexual characteristics all the more inexplicable. The ability to meld and take genetic material from seemingly any organic organism in existence that has a nervous system is also ST klingon-human (or whatever else) hybrid levels of ridiculous.

It's just best not to think about it, but would make a bit more sense if asari didn't require a partner and just engage in mating behavior as an evolutionary vestigial behavior or something. Still, I guess it's not that bad in a universe with giant battletoads that crap on r/K selection with 1000 egg clutches and sapient jellyfish that developed metallurgy and technology levels required for space travel underwater.

 

 

Mates aren't required actually. I can't recall now whether it was one of the codex entries, or dialogue with Liara in ME1, but somewhere in the series it was mentioned that Asari reproduction can also be triggered using radiation. A medical procedure can stand in for mates. Some are apparently strong independent Asari who don't need no mate. 

 

 

It's just best not to think about it, but would make a bit more sense if asari didn't require a partner and just engage in mating behavior as an evolutionary vestigial behavior or something. Still, I guess it's not that bad in a universe with giant battletoads that crap on r/K selection with 1000 egg clutches and sapient jellyfish that developed metallurgy and technology levels required for space travel underwater.

 

 

Given the bit about radiation also being a means to trigger reproduction, I think that's what the writers had in mind. The Asari don't need mates to reproduce but often choose to go that route for social or cultural reasons rather than biological necessity.

[Jayce]

Should there be Asari with male body types?

Should we have boob armour?

Should there be more female turian characters?

Discuss.

 

1) No.

 

2) As long as the justification is: I can haz barriers an' needz no stinking bewbplate.  If you mean N7 Bewbplate? NO!

 

3) YES!

[WildOrchid]

Aria's former name is Aleena, she's the commando who fought with Wrex (he tells you the whole story in ME1). She might have been a dancer at some point but it seems unlikely. Although she appreciates good dancers.

Samara tells you she was a dancer, then ran with mercs, pirates even.

Tela Vasir is only mentioned as Spectre but it is possible she had a wild party life before.

Shiala... we don't know anything about her past.

 

As far as we know, all Asari spend their maiden years just having fun. Liara is the odd one here, with being all serious and studying.

 

The only time she said she was a dancer it was when she was planning to turn down Patriarch. She was in a "role"... though i wouldn't be surprised if she was a dancer way before coming to Omega.

 

That's my main problem with the asari.. also Aethyta did say she was also a dancer.

[Mad Cassidy]

 

The idea that they are supposedly parthenogenetic (I don't think they are, since that is a form of asexual reproduction and asari are said to require a mate to "randomize genetic material" or whatever) makes the human female secondary sexual characteristics all the more inexplicable. The ability to meld and take genetic material from seemingly any organic organism in existence that has a nervous system is also ST klingon-human (or whatever else) hybrid levels of ridiculous.

It's just best not to think about it, but would make a bit more sense if asari didn't require a partner and just engage in mating behavior as an evolutionary vestigial behavior or something. Still, I guess it's not that bad in a universe with giant battletoads that crap on r/K selection with 1000 egg clutches and sapient jellyfish that developed metallurgy and technology levels required for space travel underwater.

 

 

 

At least in the case of whiptail lizards, which are parthenogenic, there are certain mating rituals where one female will mount another to stimulate ovulation (I think - I definitely remember there being 'mating' behaviour). Thus the existence of secondary sexual chracteristics isn't at all far-fetched.

 

They also don't meld to scramble their genetic information with that of other species. That's a misnomer about Asari reproduction present even amongst the Asari ("It doesn't work that way"). They simply require a trigger. Though why they should find males attractive, I'm not certain. If anything, they should have been shown to be primarily interested in organisms with conspicuous female secondary sexual morphologies. Perhaps they were once a species comprising two sexes, as others have suggested, or it could just be a cultural transition thing influenced by the lack of understanding amongst lay Asari as to how their reproductive system actually works (which is kinda dumb).

 

I do love the idea of the Asari, though, if not their implementation.

[Pasquale1234]

Should there be Asari with male body types?

Should we have boob armour?

Should there be more female turian characters?

Discuss.

1. No. Asari have been established as an all-female species. It's unfortunate that Bioware chose the term monogendered rather than monosexed, as I think it has led to a great deal of confusion between gender and sex. They are not the same thing. Sex is male, female, intersexed, etc. Gender is masculine, feminine, androgynous, etc. Asari are all female, not necessarily all feminine.

I'd be okay with them introducing a new species that is all-male.

2. It depends. The extreme boob cup armor provided for Liara and Ashley in ME3 would be impossible to put on, and extremely uncomfortable and mobility-restricting to wear. Other styles - like Shepard's, and the ME1 armors are fine.

3. Sure.
 

Think about it, they use their own DNA for everything, there is no new DNA coming into the lineage and all they do is scramble their own DNA to create a "new" one. Honestly, the question here is... why do they even need a partner to mate? Couldn't they just create some kind of device that simulates a nervous system so their body can be tricked into pregnancy?

They don't. Apparently, a little radiation works, too.

ETA: Looks like I was ninja'ed while I was looking for the reference.

To leave you with a fun mental image: Aethyta had sex with a Hanar.

She had a child with a Hanar.

[DaemionMoadrin]

The only time she said she was a dancer it was when she was planning to turn down Patriarch. She was in a "role"... though i wouldn't be surprised if she was a dancer way before coming to Omega.

 

That's my main problem with the asari.. also Aethyta did say she was also a dancer.

 

I think the problem lies with us. We only meet a handful Asari, we have no idea what the other billions of them do. There are several hardworking Asari on Illium who are no-nonsense and don't seem like the slinky dancer type.

 

I think it's entirely possible that most Asari lead ordinary, boring lives (as boring as rich, sexy blue lesbians in space can be anyhow) and we met the extreme wild girls.

[DaemionMoadrin]

She had a child with a Hanar.

 

Yep. Liara's half sister. Does that in any way mean she didn't have sex with an Hanar?

[Jayce]

 

The idea that they are supposedly parthenogenetic (I don't think they are, since that is a form of asexual reproduction and asari are said to require a mate to "randomize genetic material" or whatever) makes the human female secondary sexual characteristics all the more inexplicable. The ability to meld and take genetic material from seemingly any organic organism in existence that has a nervous system is also ST klingon-human (or whatever else) hybrid levels of ridiculous.

It's just best not to think about it, but would make a bit more sense if asari didn't require a partner and just engage in mating behavior as an evolutionary vestigial behavior or something. Still, I guess it's not that bad in a universe with giant battletoads that crap on r/K selection with 1000 egg clutches and sapient jellyfish that developed metallurgy and technology levels required for space travel underwater.

 

 

Asari don't actually take alien DNA though, they just use their empathic link to randomize specific hormones that affect the fetus during gestation that causes them to mimic some of the farther's character traits.

 

I'm pretty sure they can reproduce without a partner- Edit: Nevermind ninja'd.