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[OhNoWhyHow]

That's the thing.  There aren't even really any asari characters I like that much.  The best one is Liara's father and she's like a joke "anti-asari."

[Majestic Jazz]

A woman can look good and still be able to fight.

But SJWs would tell you that she needs to cover up her legs and get rid of the heels or else you will be labeled as sexist and immature.

[FKA_Servo]

But SJWs would tell you that she needs to cover up her legs and get rid of the heels or else you will be labeled as sexist and immature.

 

And ridiculous people will continue to fabricate elaborate straw feminists out of whole cloth.

[Jester]

And ridiculous people will continue to fabricate elaborate straw feminists out of whole cloth.

How is that a strawman? For example, there recently was a feminist saying that Witcher 3 is sexist, because Ciri wears an unbuttoned shirt.

[Dean_the_Young]

TAKE MY MONEY.

 

I'll take more than that.

 

Giggity.

 

 

 

A species that is all male is biologically impossible. They'd be incapable of reproduction.

 

Obviously that's what all the other species are for.

 

 

You could maybe have hermaphrodites, or a species that can change its biological sex for the purpose of reproduction, or a completely asexual species...but none of those would accurately be an 'all male' species.

 

 

Clearly they're 'monogendered.'

[Shechinah]

Clearly they're 'monogendered.'

Emphasis on the quotation marks.

[FKA_Servo]

How is that a strawman? For example, there recently was a feminist saying that Witcher 3 is sexist, because Ciri wears an unbuttoned shirt.

 

Assuming the thread you're referring to was a serious thread (because using that logic, Mass Effect and Bioware are irredeemable, and I don't know what that person is still doing here), and not something to take the ****** out of Witcher fans. Even so, would you characterize the ELF as representative of mainstream conservation and environmentalism? The Weather Underground as representative of mainstream progressive politics?

 

99% of the grievances some posters here seem to have with "social justice warriors" are invented by those same posters.

 

ETA that's one touchy profanity filter.

[Jester]

Assuming the thread you're referring to was a serious thread (because using that logic, Mass Effect and Bioware are irredeemable, and I don't know what that person is still doing here), and not something to take the ****** out of Witcher fans. Even so, would you characterize the ELF as representative of mainstream conservation and environmentalism? The Weather Underground as representative of mainstream progressive politics?

 

99% of the grievances some posters here seem to have with "social justice warriors" are invented by those same posters.

 

ETA that's one touchy profanity filter.

That's actually not from forums, but was either a quote from the review of the game or some feminist's twitter.

 

The "not representative of feminism" argument again. So, tell me - is this lady representative of feminism:

https://twitter.com/femfreq

?

 

Because if not, then who is? I've heard many times that somebody doesn't represent feminism (despite declaring otherwise) - but I'm yet to hear what is representative of it.

[Hellion Rex]

I'll take more than that.

 

Giggity.

 

Lol, you know that I've always wanted you as a romance option, Dean.

[Jayce]

Meh, I'll just go back and say: The biology of ME makes no sense. It clearly isn't based on science.

 

Unless Asari are all naturally occurring clones that only look different on the outside, depending on some random factor during conception/gestation.

 

I blame the Protheans.

 

That's exactly what 'parthenogenic' means and why they're referred to as such in the codex.   

[WildOrchid]

That's actually not from forums, but was either a quote from the review of the game or some feminist's twitter.

 

The "not representative of feminism" argument again. So, tell me - is this lady representative of feminism:

https://twitter.com/femfreq

?

 

Because if not, then who is? I've heard many times that somebody doesn't represent feminism (despite declaring otherwise) - but I'm yet to hear what is representative of it.

 

Anita.

 

And no, she's not. Most comments from her are ridiculous.

[FKA_Servo]

Anita.

 

And no, she's not. Most comments from her are ridiculous.

 

I like Anita. I think she makes a lot of good points, doesn't always use the best examples and supporting material, and receives an unreasonable and unwarranted amount of hate.

 

I don't agree with everything she says, and I do think some of it is a little ridiculous, but she's also coming at it from an academic criticism perspective. I don't know why people are losing their goddamn mind over a little literary deconstruction of their games when it's been happening to their movies, books, music and... pretty much everything else for forever. All it does is raise a little discussion, raise a little awareness, and shine a light on some things that apparently hasn't occurred to many of the primary consumers of this stuff. Essentially, it's a seat at the serious table for games and gamers.

 

At the end of the day, no one loses anything. CDPR still makes the Witcher. Maybe some very different games get made too that might not have otherwise. And the shifty feminists coming to take away all the grimdark fantasies and sexy space warriors continue to exist only in the mind.

 

Because if not, then who is? I've heard many times that somebody doesn't represent feminism (despite declaring otherwise) - but I'm yet to hear what is representative of it.

 

I know that this is probably a cliche now... but Mad Max: Fury Road really does paint a beautiful picture of mainstream, inclusive feminism as I personally (and many, many others) understand it in 2015. It is an overtly, unapologetically feminist film. And I'd be very surprised if any reasonable person found something in there that was objectionable, given the way it portrays how the absolute best of human nature can triumph over injustice and adversity (honestly, I think some people simply object to the "feminist" label and get grumpy when they find that their actual beliefs align perfectly with it). That's a standard I would hold to.

 

And since Mad Max is emphatically off-topic, I won't elaborate any further. But discussion on this is easy enough to find.

 

Also, hot damn was that a good film.

Modifié par TommyServo, 22 juin 2015 - 10:52 .

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

How about Liara's 'father'?

The matron serving drinks in ME 2&3, with foul language and quite... masculine attitude.

 

She's fantastic, and I absolutely love her. And she wasn't just tough, she was smart and practical. Building more mass effect relays is a brilliant idea. But, her type is too uncommon. If what it takes to get Asari to be masculine or butch is to have a Krogan dad, then I wish most Asari had Krogan dads. I want way more Asari like her and Detective Anaya, and especially not wearing dresses all the time. I find Asari, on the whole, are too touchy-feely, sensual, and seductive. It feels like whoever made them didn't understand that most women are not all the same, and so they were made into stereotypes of women. It's off-putting.

 

Them being predominantly feminine makes little sense to me as having tons of "masculine" Asari is necessary to actually build societies, unless they just use their biotics to put stuff together. I'm not saying we need to see Asari who identify as another gender, which obviously would make no sense whatsoever, but that as we've seen in real life, there are lots of naturally "masculine" women who prefer masculine stuff but are still happy to be women. That's what I'd like to see more of. More butch Asari, if we even have to see more of them in the first place. The "space babes," in their mystical special-snowflake glory, must be shoehorned anyway, so I'm sure we'll never be free of them.

[Dean_the_Young]

Lol, you know that I've always wanted you as a romance option, Dean.

 

Sorry, but Deztyn is my One True Wuv, even if I'm often away and busy with work and don't pay her the attention she deserves.

 

You can ask her for permission to join a polyamory, though.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I think Mass Effect is more of a soft science fiction work.  

 

Yes, very soft. I'm giving it an 1.5 on the Mohs scale. ^^

 

That's exactly what 'parthenogenic' means and why they're referred to as such in the codex.   

 

Yeah, problem is... that doesn't work. If they are actual clones, meaning their DNA is a copy from their mother, then they had no evolutionary changes for the past 50.000 years. Not since the Protheans modified them. Clones are a dead end, gaining a purple skin tone because the father was Krogan doesn't make up for that.

 

She's fantastic, and I absolutely love her. And she wasn't just tough, she was smart and practical. Building more mass effect relays is a brilliant idea. But, her type is too uncommon. If what it takes to get Asari to be masculine or butch is to have a Krogan dad, then I wish most Asari had Krogan dads. I want way more Asari like her and Detective Anaya, and especially not wearing dresses all the time. I find Asari, on the whole, are too touchy-feely, sensual, and seductive. It feels like whoever made them didn't understand that most women are not all the same, and so they were made into stereotypes of women. It's off-putting.

 

Them being predominantly feminine makes little sense to me as having tons of "masculine" Asari is necessary to actually build societies, unless they just use their biotics to put stuff together. I'm not saying we need to see Asari who identify as another gender, which obviously would make no sense whatsoever, but that as we've seen in real life, there are lots of naturally "masculine" women who prefer masculine stuff but are still happy to be women. That's what I'd like to see more of. More butch Asari, if we even have to see more of them in the first place. The "space babes," in their mystical special-snowflake glory, must be shoehorned anyway, so I'm sure we'll never be free of them.

 

Lieutenant Kurin on Thessia was rather masculine, too.

 

You have to remember that we meet maybe 60 Asari over the course of the trilogy. Some are feminine, some are masculine, some are in between. It's still way too small a sample size to accurately judge the entire species, perhaps it is more even than we were shown.

Another theory would be that Asari are usually feminine because that's all they knew in their past and their current society still reflects that. It's only after they came into contact with aliens that they adopted the masculine mannerisms. So the majority of them behaves in a feminine manner and only a minority appears as masculine.

[rhi5791]

I like the idea of the Asari as a race of female-looking people. It gives a new idea on one gender not having to rely on the other.

 

I would like to see a completely male-looking species as well.

 

As for the boob armor, its just impractical.

 

Female turians, we need more of them as well as more female krogons as well.

[Battlebloodmage]

But SJWs would tell you that she needs to cover up her legs and get rid of the heels or else you will be labeled as sexist and immature.

I dare anyone get into a fight with high heels on. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Well, Nyreen was really the first species, short of quarians, who actually had a different sex that looked different from their main.

Salarian dalatress? Just a male model in a hood -- lazy.

Eve? Just a male model in a blanket -- lazy.

 

So, that I get.I was pretty estatic to see a female alien. And I didn't start to dislike the turians yet because I played the games before I looked at the community.

 

Like I'd be pretty hyped if I got to have a female Salarian squadmate.

 

 

While I agree they were lazy, I'm perfectly fine with having female aliens indistinguishable from males. Most life on Earth is like that. Or at least they have different colouring, but are otherwise mostly identical.

 

So not only was the art department lazy (remember the quote from a Bioware artist saying how would we even make female Turians? Give em boobs?) They also were lazy in the voice acting/writing department.

 

Oh and @OP No, No Yes, for reasons others hav stated with the same answers

[Grieving Natashina]

High heels could be lethal. Just take them off and whack people with it. Not that i would even dream of wearing them. They're not practical. Walking around in the most uncomfortable shoes ever made just to be in with "fashion trends" screw that!

Figures high heels were invented by men for men, originally:

 

http://www.bbc.com/n...gazine-21151350

 

I hate them too.  Low heeled pumps are fine, but if I'm going to be running around in space, I'll take my uber-comfy Doc Martens.

[Grieving Natashina]

I own a pair of those too! Initially they were my "arse kicking boots" for outdoor metal concerts. I'm the size of a dwarf and got thrown around a lot in circle pits

I use them for metal concerts, but I actually use them for one of their intended purposes as well.  When I go to do yard work, I'm in that, a pair of Dickies with my hair pulled into a bun tucked under a cap.  My hair up until yesterday was down to the middle of my back, so I had to keep it tied up