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[earymir]

I IT theory.  Super consistent with the entire trilogy of Reapers getting to everything they encounter eventually.  

 

Ark theory sounds reasonable.  Send people off to another galaxy (the only place safe away from the Repears), maybe even cryogenically freeze them until they arrive in some place in Andromeda, and boom, many years (hundreds, thousands, or space magic?) they awaken and start civilization anew.  

 

It'd be great if, at the end of the new trilogy (if that is the case), you'd end up back in the Milky Way (space magic assumed at this point) and help Shepard stop the Reapers for realz this time.  

[phagus]

..that IT ship sailed a long time ago OP.. and now it's in Andromeda!

 

Just joking..sigh.. no MEA will have no references to ME3 ending states or IT. BW intentions are clear. They threw away the entire milkway to start afresh in another galaxy.

[Kabooooom]

They are not going to touch the endings with a 20ft steel pole. How we left might just be backgrounds we have to discover for the people who want detail know-how, but brief for everyone who just don't care and want to play the game.

I didn't say anything about touching the endings. Read the post more carefully. I was talking about leaving prior to Priority Earth

[Hazegurl]

 

On the subject of equating Mel Brooks comedies to a random fan's headcanon, I think it's an inappropriate analogy. Headcanon is something completely different from writing a parody, especially since headcanon basically equates to nothing more than a fan's wishful thinking about events that have taken place (or events that they want to see take place) in a fictional universe.

 

 

All stories reside in someone's head before they are written down.  Anyone can pull multiple ideas from other sources (which everyone does) and create a story using one of those sources as a central focus, then work on actualizing a story idea and making it your own. Whether it's a parody or not is moot. It's still an idea of an existing work of fiction.  A Parody is simply a theme and it's one of many a writer can use.  But yeah, pulling ideas from existing sources is done all the time. You just want to call it something else other than "fan fiction" or "head canon" due to the stigma surrounding those names. 

[q5tyhj]

BioWare has never really come out and disproved the Indoctrination Theo

Yes, between EC and Leviathon, they removed any doubt that IT was pure fancy- for those few who had any in the first place. 

[Red Panda]

It's pretty possible that ME:A is all just an indoctrination dream and that the real Shepard will wake up towards the end and finish the fight against the Reapers.

 

Is such a thing even possible? Totally. This is entirely possible in the universe we know. You just need to believe. This game is a red herring to prove that it is possible to deceive an entire fanbase, proving that the Reapers are the greatest villains ever known to fiction with their super villainy status breaking the fourth wall and coming to you.

 

It's really just absolutely brilliant. The worst part is, it's entirely possible and most likely true.

[AlanC9]

I'm not sure if I should reveal if that "like" was serious, or ironic.

[Kabooooom]

It's pretty possible that ME:A is all just an indoctrination dream and that the real Shepard will wake up towards the end and finish the fight against the Reapers.

Is such a thing even possible? Totally. This is entirely possible in the universe we know. You just need to believe. This game is a red herring to prove that it is possible to deceive an entire fanbase, proving that the Reapers are the greatest villains ever known to fiction with their super villainy status breaking the fourth wall and coming to you.

It's really just absolutely brilliant. The worst part is, it's entirely possible and most likely true.

Lol. Grade A trolling right here. The best part about writing a satirical post is when you can't actually 100% tell if it is a joke or not, due to the people you are making fun of saying things that similarly make no sense. For example, I find it is nearly impossible to tell if someone is a Creationist or making a satirical post about being a Creationist because no matter how crazy you make it sound, they really are that crazy.

A few IT posters are the same way. Man, there was this dude here awhile ago, "S-" something or other? The IT posts he made were absolutely insane. I wish I could remember.

[q5tyhj]

Lol. Grade A trolling right here. The best part about writing a satirical post is when you can't actually 100% tell if it is a joke or not, due to the people you are making fun of saying things that similarly make no sense. For example, I find it is nearly impossible to tell if someone is a Creationist or making a satirical post about being a Creationist because no matter how crazy you make it sound, they really are that crazy.

A few IT posters are the same way. Man, there was this dude here awhile ago, "S-" something or other? The IT posts he made were absolutely insane. I wish I could remember.

Classic case of Poe's Law...

[Kabooooom]

Classic case of Poe's Law...

Case in point:

http://forum.bioware...d-i-get-it-now/

Not an IT post but funny nonetheless. If that isn't a Poe, there is some serious compartmentalization acrobatics going on there.

EDIT: Ah! This is the guy! I thought he was trolling for the longest time, but his posts are absolutely 100% serious.

http://forum.bioware...d/?fromsearch=1

[Monica21]

How did they throw away the Milky Way again? It still existed at the end of ME3.

 

Milky Way is just one galaxy inside a universe of many galaxies to explore.

 

Mass Effect universe as a franchise shouldn't be constrained to one galaxy.

 

Well, I figure it's because the mass effect relays are in the Milky Way, hence the title of the series. Unless the Reapers are spending time harvesting in other galaxies, which they certainly could be, but it would be weird to call a new series "Mass Effect" if there aren't relays.

 

Yes, between EC and Leviathon, they removed any doubt that IT was pure fancy- for those few who had any in the first place. 

 

I just played Leviathan yesterday. How does it disprove IT? Honest question.

 

And I really don't understand the enormous problem some of you have with IT and people who subscribe to its theories. Whether its all happening in Shepard's mind and then he wakes up to find a different way to fight the Reapers, or whether it all happens in his mind and the effects of it are still real, or whether it all happened in reality and there was no indoctrination at all doesn't matter. The story ends once your Shepard makes a choice. Frank Herbert said, "There is no real ending. It's just the place where you stop the story." That's the end of the story. What happens afterwards is (obviously) still up for debate.

[phagus]

How did they throw away the Milky Way again? It still existed at the end of ME3.

 

Milky Way is just one galaxy inside a universe of many galaxies to explore.

 

Mass Effect universe as a franchise shouldn't be constrained to one galaxy.

 If we never go back to the Milky Way or ever hear anything about it again, because BW does not/cannot canonise an ending without disregarding players choices, (and I don't see how a direct sequel can occur with the current ending states of ME3 without rebooting/rewriting the entire franchise or just handwaving it with "it all happened a long time ago and the details were lost" ala space grandpa), then does it still exist in the mass effect universe in any real sense of the word?

 

Also the Milky way isn't just onother galaxy within the ME universe, it is the birth place of the entire franchise, with all the species homeworlds, and everything else that is iconic about Mass Effect. Not refering to it again in the next games is throwing it away IMO.

[phagus]

Canonize an ending to import into Andromeda? Or canonize an ending in ME3 before making Andromeda in the first place?

 

First one isn't going to happen, because Mass Effect was a trilogy. They made it in such a way where they wouldn't have to carry over choices into the next game, because ME3 was the end of a trilogy. There is no canon ending and people are free to choose what they think is right.

 

 

They might tell you how they got from the Milky Way to Andromeda. I would wait to play the game before assuming it won't be mentioned.

 

Space grandpa? You mean Buzz Aldrin? Second man to land on the moon.

Making a Mass Effect game in the Milky Way for the reasons I stated. Any game without a reboot or rewrite,or prequel/sidequel etc will have to pick an ending state for ME3 in order to continue in the milky way, unless a handwave is involved which would trivialise players choices in ME3.

 

Any explanation of how we get to Andromeda will have to be narrow in scope so as to not hint at ME3's ending state, (or the journey to Andromeda will have to take place before the space magic), or an ending state will be canonised for ME3 as far as MEA is concerned.

 

I was refering to the character he voiced not Buzz Aldrin the second man to set foot on the moon.

[AlanC9]

And I really don't understand the enormous problem some of you have with IT and people who subscribe to its theories. Whether its all happening in Shepard's mind and then he wakes up to find a different way to fight the Reapers, or whether it all happens in his mind and the effects of it are still real, or whether it all happened in reality and there was no indoctrination at all doesn't matter. The story ends once your Shepard makes a choice. Frank Herbert said, "There is no real ending. It's just the place where you stop the story." That's the end of the story. What happens afterwards is (obviously) still up for debate.

Like I said upthread, that's on you guys. IT started with the IT fans telling everyone else that they had the secret of the real ending, and we we were all fools who had been played by Bioware. Even if the believers now want to fall back to " this is just a fun interpretation; who cares that the writers never intended it," it's too late.

[Monica21]

Like I said upthread, that's on you guys. IT started with the IT fans telling everyone else that they had the secret of the real ending, and we we were all fools who had been played by Bioware. Even if the believers now want to fall back to " this is just a fun interpretation; who cares that the writers never intended it," it's too late.

 

"Too late" for what?

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Mass Effect is the technology, im sure its the same tech used in all space flight long after.

[phagus]

Unless future games after Andromeda are prequels and take place before the Reaper War.

 

 

It's a fresh start, so my guess is they're going to Andromeda and not going to mention anything about ME3 or the ending. Call it a reboot if you will.

Which is what I said...

 

and yes I agree MEA looks like a soft reboot, with the original trilogy and it's storylines being largely forgotten or handwaved into oblivion..(albeit an assumption based on what little we know about MEA and what BW have said about our previous choices mattering.)

 

...and back to the point I made that you queried about throwing away the Milky Way.. which IMO just goes to show what a narrative mess you can get into when you close a successful trilogy, in the manner ME3 ended, and then try to make other games in the same universe.

[Farangbaa]

Aaargh.

IT: for the gullible.

If you honestly believe an ill defined concept as 'indoctrination' (in the game, not in the dictionary ) makes sense... then, I give up. Indoctrination in ME is like God in the real world: no idea what He is, what he Does and when He does it, but if I can't explain something, it was Him.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Aaargh.

IT: for the gullible.

If you honestly believe an ill defined concept as 'indoctrination' (in the game, not in the dictionary ) makes sense... then, I give up. Indoctrination in ME is like God in the real world: no idea what He is, what he Does and when He does it, but if I can't explain something, it was Him.

 

Yeah.

 

Indoctrination was nonsense. On Virmire you're being told that it can't be heard or seen, that no sensor can detect it... and that it works on every organic species. Which doesn't make any sense. Especially not when the colonists on Eden Prime told you that there was a horrible noise as Sovereign landed, it felt like piercing their brain...

... or how about even parts of a Reaper being able to indoctrinate any and all organics in range? A dead Reaper?

 

So basically it's an invisible radiation that adapts to different species automatically without anyone in control and changes them in very different ways and/or lures them onto the Dragon's Teeth or similiar husk transformation devices.

 

Not that the husks made any sense either.

[Monica21]

Yeah.

 

Indoctrination was nonsense. On Virmire you're being told that it can't be heard or seen, that no sensor can detect it... and that it works on every organic species. Which doesn't make any sense. Especially not when the colonists on Eden Prime told you that there was a horrible noise as Sovereign landed, it felt like piercing their brain...

... or how about even parts of a Reaper being able to indoctrinate any and all organics in range? A dead Reaper?

 

So basically it's an invisible radiation that adapts to different species automatically without anyone in control and changes them in very different ways and/or lures them onto the Dragon's Teeth or similiar husk transformation devices.

 

Not that the husks made any sense either.

 

Why would the noise be specific to indoctrination? There actually is a horrible noise associated with every Reaper ship, but that just means it hurts and isn't necessarily an direct attempt at indoctrination.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Why would the noise be specific to indoctrination? There actually is a horrible noise associated with every Reaper ship, but that just means it hurts and isn't necessarily an direct attempt at indoctrination.

 

Play through that scene, it was an obvious reference to indoctrination.

 

Even if there wasn't one... that changes nothing about indoctrination being complete bogus.