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[Red Panda]

What if Mass Effect Andromeda is actually a prequel that's already happened and players are their own ancient aliens?

 

Is such a thing even possible?

 

 

Yes, because time travel via mass relays is entirely possible.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Yes, because time travel via mass relays is entirely possible.

 

What makes you say so? The games avoided any time dilation anywhere and all technology works around the relativistic principles.

[Monica21]

Play through that scene, it was an obvious reference to indoctrination.

 

Even if there wasn't one... that changes nothing about indoctrination being complete bogus.

 

And it could have just been the first game and they weren't sure how indoctrination would work. And indoctrination itself isn't bogus, but one certainly can claim that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated.

[Red Panda]

What makes you say so? The games avoided any time dilation anywhere and all technology works around the relativistic principles.

Those FTL drives are nowhere near relativistic. Those are good old sci fi space phlebotium. So, why not have time travel that allows things like Geth and all other races that might be extinct to infinite exist along a finite timeline.

 

You see, it's an amazing solution to all our problems. Because it existed once, infinite iterations of it must exist.

[DaemionMoadrin]

And it could have just been the first game and they weren't sure how indoctrination would work. And indoctrination itself isn't bogus, but one certainly can claim that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated.

 

Of course it's bogus.

 

It's an automatic process that adapts perfectly for every individual and can not be detected by any means. The games treat it like invisible radiation and every single Reaper object can do it. Yes, even Sovereign's hull plating!

And because they can't detect it, they managed to build shields to block it. Wait, what? Make up your mind...

 

Remember the scientists on the derelict Reaper? Someone fucked with their minds, messed with their perceptions and gave them very specific memories. That would suggest an intelligence at work, directing the indoctrination... which could make sense since the Reaper wasn't all the way dead yet... but falls apart once you consider the Dragon's Teeth. Those objects indoctrinated people into willingly transforming themselves into husks. With no actual Reaper present.

 

It works on all organics. Batarians, Humans, Krogan, Turian, Asari, Salarian... even Hanar! Do Hanar even have a brain? And they are all affected the same? Haha.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Those FTL drives are nowhere near relativistic. Those are good old sci fi space phlebotium.

 

Yes, which is why I said the Mass Effect technology works around the relativistic principles. Meaning they don't use them, they made up stuff to avoid them.

 

It's the same as Star Trek's Heisenberg Compensator, a sci-fi explanation why they get to break the laws of physics. Only ME never even bothered with details, they just tell you "mass effect fields make FTL possible" and you have to accept that non-explanation.

[Red Panda]

Yes, which is why I said the Mass Effect technology works around the relativistic principles. Meaning they don't use them, they made up stuff to avoid them.

 

It's the same as Star Trek's Heisenberg Compensator, a sci-fi explanation why they get to break the laws of physics. Only ME never even bothered with details, they just tell you "mass effect fields make FTL possible" and you have to accept that non-explanation.

 

Except that Star Trek used time travel and lizardman costumes.

 

Who's to say that these things don't explain the ME:A is actually a prequel?

 

You can't explain that,

[DaemionMoadrin]

Except that Star Trek used time travel and lizardman costumes.

 

Who's to say that these things don't explain the ME:A is actually a prequel?

 

You can't explain that,

 

Leaving aside that you don't make any sense... I can explain anything given enough time and motivation.

 

Time travel is real, just not in the way people think it is.

[AlanC9]

"Too late" for what?

Too late to have anyone listen when you say that we can all just have different interpretations.

[Red Panda]

Leaving aside that you don't make any sense... I can explain anything given enough time and motivation.

 

Time travel is real, just not in the way people think it is.

Time travel exists like space travel does.

 

There's just this copy of something at every infinite point along this finite line of stuff we call time. So, there's infinite possibilities of where things could be at any time so time travel is possible and ME:A is a prequel. Either that, or it's an indoctrination simulation caused by Reaper time warps.

 

It makes perfect sense to me.

[dfjdejulio]

Time travel exists like space travel does.

 

Time travel is easy, with the right constraints.  Dethklok figured it out.

 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Time travel exists like space travel does.

 

There's just this copy of something at every infinite point along this finite line of stuff we call time. So, there's infinite possibilities of where things could be at any time so time travel is possible and ME:A is a prequel. Either that, or it's an indoctrination simulation caused by Reaper time warps.

 

It makes perfect sense to me.

 

Eh, no.

 

What you're talking about is the Multiverse theory, which is more quantum mechanics. It has nothing to do with conventional time travel.

 

Basically... sure, we could somehow skip into another universe in which the timeline hasn't progressed to our cycle yet. Problem is, we'd still be in Andromeda and not in the Milky Way, so that's pointless.

 

I still don't get what you're trying to do here but I have the feeling it's not going to work.

[Red Panda]

Eh, no.

 

What you're talking about is the Multiverse theory, which is more quantum mechanics. It has nothing to do with conventional time travel.

 

Basically... sure, we could somehow skip into another universe in which the timeline hasn't progressed to our cycle yet. Problem is, we'd still be in Andromeda and not in the Milky Way, so that's pointless.

 

I still don't get what you're trying to do here but I have the feeling it's not going to work.

Unless we skip space and time. It's entirely possible if you think really hard about it. After all, nothing is impossible.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But it is not multiverse. That's more like multiple parallel lines. I'm talking about one line at one time, but we take a point and move it over wherever.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Unless we skip space and time. It's entirely possible if you think really hard about it. After all, nothing is impossible.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But it is not multiverse. That's more like multiple parallel lines. I'm talking about one line at one time, but we take a point and move it over wherever.

 

Nope.

 

Seriously, the game is set in Andromeda. It's right in the title. It's not a past or future Milky Way.

[Monica21]

Too late to have anyone listen when you say that we can all just have different interpretations.

 

Then I guess I'm just new enough to ME that I don't care if people have different interpretations.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Then I guess I'm just new enough to ME that I don't care if people have different interpretations.

 

That's not what he wrote. We can -not- have different interpretations because the ME3 endings leave no room of any. The writers said so, too.

 

You are free to create your own head canon, you can write up fanfiction about side stories and how people got on with their lives after the endings... but the moment you try to change things from the official canon, you slip over into alternative universes, which are non-canon by definition.

 

IT is such an AU. You can have fun with it, sure... but it's not what happened in the games.

[Red Panda]

Nope.

 

Seriously, the game is set in Andromeda. It's right in the title. It's not a past or future Milky Way.

 ...that doesn't mean it can't be a past or future Andromeda that will lead back into the Milky Way considering...

[DaemionMoadrin]

 ...that doesn't mean it can't be a past or future Andromeda that will lead back into the Milky Way considering...

 

You're grasping at straws.

 

No. Dreaming of grasping at holographic straw projections.

 

You are so far off, you're closer to a different franchise than to Mass Effect.

[dfjdejulio]

 ...that doesn't mean it can't be a past or future Andromeda that will lead back into the Milky Way considering...

 

Haha, I suppose if it's far enough in the future, the way we make the trip to Andromeda could be "it happened to collide with the Milky Way"…

 

https://en.wikipedia...y_Way_collision

 

(Just need about four billion years.)

[Lord Snow]

That's not what he wrote. We can -not- have different interpretations because the ME3 endings leave no room of any. The writers said so, too.

 

 

The hell have you been smoking brah?

 

The endings leave lots of room for interpretations and speculation. That was the whole point. The players are supposed to figure things out on their own.

 

From the project leads themselves:

 

 

More from Tully Ackland (former Community Coordinator at Bioware):

 

 

There are elements of Mass Effect 3 that are meant to have non-literal interpretations. The hope is that these things provide thought-provoking discussion about the themes of the story and the motivations of characters. As such, we would prefer not to comment on players’ interpretations of these elements, since it would ruin the enjoyment of such discussion by suggesting there is a single, concrete way of viewing them.

[Catastrophy]

IT stands for "Intoxication Theory" - people always confuse it with the Idiocrimmination stuff. Proof: "This is... It's GREEN!!!"

[DaemionMoadrin]

The hell have you been smoking brah?

 

From the project leads themselves:

 

 

More from Tully Ackland (former Community Coordinator at Bioware)

 

Yup. You can interpret everything as you want to, as long as you don't contradict canon. Canon explicitly states that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated (conversation with Starbrat about the Control option), so -that- interpretation falls apart.

 

What we saw is what happened. Even if we all dearly wish it wasn't so.

[Kabooooom]

Yes, which is why I said the Mass Effect technology works around the relativistic principles. Meaning they don't use them, they made up stuff to avoid them.

It's the same as Star Trek's Heisenberg Compensator, a sci-fi explanation why they get to break the laws of physics. Only ME never even bothered with details, they just tell you "mass effect fields make FTL possible" and you have to accept that non-explanation.

It does explain it, rather well actually. The mass effect lowers the rest mass of objects within the mass effect field, while energy is conserved. Since E/m=c^2, this has the necessary effect of raising the speed of light in a vacuum within the mass effect field bubble. Now, objects within the field can be accelerated, and with less mass, a given force produces a greater acceleration. They accelerate to a tiny, non-relativistic fraction of the NEW speed of light, which can be far greater than the normal speed of light outside the mass effect bubble. This enables "faster than light" travel, although - it is worth noting - the mass effect NEVER actually makes anything travel faster than the speed of light or even close to it. The critical difference is that the speed of light is normally a constant, but it is not constant when the mass effect is applied.

All of this is explained within the codex, the game itself, and the extended universe. So yeah, it actually is explained extremely well and is well thought out and internally consistent.

[Humakt83]

Yup. You can interpret everything as you want to, as long as you don't contradict canon. Canon explicitly states that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated (conversation with Starbrat about the Control option), so -that- interpretation falls apart.

That is what Reapers made TIM believe into as well. Canon only states that a clearly manipulative and very likely deceitful being representing itself as Catalyst claimed it. Redemption novel presents very well how the Reapers utilize suggestion as a part of the slow indoctrination process. They will certainly lie and deceive as much as possible to meet their goals, it is not beneath them.

[Monica21]

Yup. You can interpret everything as you want to, as long as you don't contradict canon. Canon explicitly states that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated (conversation with Starbrat about the Control option), so -that- interpretation falls apart.

 

What we saw is what happened. Even if we all dearly wish it wasn't so.

 

Except when you use the Refusal option Starbrat says, "So be it!" in a clearly Reaper-like voice. So who actually is Starbrat?