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[DaemionMoadrin]

What if Mass Effect Andromeda is actually a prequel that's already happened and players are their own ancient aliens?

 

So, we have two options...

 

Eitehr it's all ancient aliens or reeeeeeapers reap.

 

Nope. That's nonsense. None of the things we know about Andromeda has anything in common with the ancient past of the Milky Way. Obviously, because it's an entirely different galaxy.

 

Time travel using the mass relays.

 

If you can use them to move through space, why not time?

 

So, ME:A is both a sequel and prequel. At the same time.

 

Nope, that's even more nonsense. The codex explicitly states that travel by Mass Effect technology has no time dilation.

 

Time travel is always messy because it defies logic. You always get paradoxes, divergent time streams and other crap.

 

There have been hundreds of cycles that were harvested, you'd have to go back to at least the Leviathan cycle to become a progenitor and if you do that, then there will never have been any Reapers or Mass Effect technology. Which means you erased the entire galatic history and probably prevented a couple hundred species from ever developing or surviving their first contact.

 

Just stop this BS and write a fanfiction story about it, it has no place in ME:A. We only know so little and you're already trying to contradict it.

[Farangbaa]

There have been hundreds of cycles that were harvested, you'd have to go back to at least the Leviathan cycle to become a progenitor and if you do that, then there will never have been any Reapers or Mass Effect technology. Which means you erased the entire galatic history and probably prevented a couple hundred species from ever developing or surviving their first contact.

Reaper tech is probably just improved Leviathan tech, so this isn't really a problem.

Not that I'm supporting that crazy time travel idea.

[AlanC9]

Making the Reapers an all powerful almost unstoppable foe was a mistake, (and trying to explain their motives which were supposed to be beyond our comprehension was an even bigger mistake IMO) which ultimately led to the inevitable "i win button" to resolve the conflict. I hope they don't make the same mistakes with MEA.

Well, the mistake there was on the players actually believing that the Reapers were supposed to be beyond out comprehension. You gotta recognize b.s. when you hear it, people.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well, the mistake there was on the players actually believing that the Reapers were supposed to be beyond out comprehension. You gotta recognize b.s. when you hear it, people.

 

True.

 

There's also the inconsistency of the Reapers.

In ME1 they were ancient AIs, each a nation. Independent, free of weakness. Utter disdain for organic life, seeing themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

In ME2 they were suddendly constructs made with the organic remains of the species they harvested, the AI theme almost forgotten and with Harbinger showing emotions.

In ME3 they are reduced to tools of the Catalyst, they suddendly have weaknesses.

 

So yeah, Sovereign was trying to bullshit Shepard, Harbinger made it all personal and the Catalyst just threw away hundreds of cycles for a vague guess.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Got to love how BW totally lost its **** at IT.

 

"Hey people, we left things vague, so SPECULATE AWAY!"

 

*speculations tilt towards IT*

 

"STOP SPECULATING!!!!!!"

[Rannik]

Oh wow, I had already forgot about the IT threads.

Good stuff.

[phagus]

Well, the mistake there was on the players actually believing that the Reapers were supposed to be beyond out comprehension. You gotta recognize b.s. when you hear it, people.

The Reapers as an unknowable lovecraftain horror, as portrayed by Sovereign, was preferable to what we got in Me3; Reapers as mere BS spouting tools of an AI with faulty practical reasoning and motives that turned into an internet "Yo Dawg" meme joke.

[Seboist]

Well, the mistake there was on the players actually believing that the Reapers were supposed to be beyond out comprehension. You gotta recognize b.s. when you hear it, people.

 

They ARE beyond our comprehension,their motivation is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Their motivation and the games' plot boils down to machines killing organics.... to prevent organics from being killed by machines.

[KaiserShep]

They ARE beyond our comprehension,their motivation is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Their motivation and the games' plot boils down to machines killing organics.... to prevent organics from being killed by machines.

 

It's even better when you find out that the Catalyst was trying to destroy the Crucible plans in each cycle, despite it ending up being the very thing that might give it what it wants. What a dunce cap. 

[laudable11]

Extended Cut disproves Indoctrination Theory, as you get the narrated slideshow explaining the repercussions of your choices.
It was not in Shepard's mind, it was real.

Unfortunately...

[Lunch Box1912]

That doesn't mean it wasn't in his head. Slides...what is this Fallout?

[q5tyhj]

That doesn't mean it wasn't in his head. Slides...what is this Fallout?

I guess- only in the sense that IT is like Creationism, where there isn't really anything that its proponents would admit as refuting evidence. For rational people, an epilogue consisting of slides telling/showing us how all the NPCs, races, etc. (i.e. things outside of Shepard's head) fared after the war was about as conclusive as it gets. 

[Lunch Box1912]

The ending was left ambiguous Bioware themselves said it was left that way so the fans could make of it what they wanted. I believe Indoctrination Theory. You can believe what you will.

[DarthSliver]

I guess- only in the sense that IT is like Creationism, where there isn't really anything that its proponents would admit as refuting evidence. For rational people, an epilogue consisting of slides telling/showing us how all the NPCs, races, etc. (i.e. things outside of Shepard's head) fared after the war was about as conclusive as it gets. 

IT still lived on because the Extend Cut only brought more questions than it did answered. The slides for Blue and Green could be seen as what the Starkid is making you think is going on with Red being the only slideshow that takes place after it all ends or something like that. 

 

There is one thing I agree with the people who are against IT, it is time to move on to Andromeda and its clear as day that we will never know if IT is what really happen or not. The fact remains the endings in ME3 are so bogus it makes all the choices we made throughout the series meaningless. 

[q5tyhj]

The ending was left ambiguous Bioware themselves said it was left that way so the fans could make of it what they wanted. I believe Indoctrination Theory. You can believe what you will.

Thanks for proving my point. The only way a series of slides showing what happened to all sorts non-mental things like people and planets (or all the extra info on the Leviatiathon dlc confirming the straightforward, "this is actually happening" interpretation) can be construed as "ambiguous" is if one is committed to ignoring anything that contradicts IT. Why not just be honest? Say, "I hate the actual ending, so I'm going to pretend that this is how it ended".

[q5tyhj]

IT still lived on because the Extend Cut only brought more questions than it did answered. 

Nah, it lived on for the same reason creationism lives on; some people prefer a convenient fiction to an inconvenient (or annoying, in ME3's case) truth. 

[Lunch Box1912]

I don't understand why it is so important for you to be right. Everyone says the IT'ers are bat **** crazy but were not the ones going into threads and telling people they have to believe this or that. No one is bothering anyone let us have our little thread and leave us be.

[DarthSliver]

Nah, it lived on for the same reason creationism lives on; some people prefer a convenient fiction to an inconvenient (or annoying, in ME3's case) truth. 

 

I no longer believe in IT but support what it represents, a theory created because Bioware didn't give us one. It also represents how our choices don't matter too, which led to its creation in the first place too. 

[Monica21]

Thanks for proving my point. The only way a series of slides showing what happened to all sorts non-mental things like people and planets (or all the extra info on the Leviatiathon dlc confirming the straightforward, "this is actually happening" interpretation) can be construed as "ambiguous" is if one is committed to ignoring anything that contradicts IT. Why not just be honest? Say, "I hate the actual ending, so I'm going to pretend that this is how it ended".

 

I asked a question earlier in the thread that no one has yet answered. Why does the Leviathan DLC disprove IT? If anything, it seems to help confirm it. Leviathan and his species held lesser races "in thrall" and the Reapers modeled themselves after Leviathan's kind. "In thrall" = Indoctrination. Not to mention that the entire conversation with Leviathan was held in Shepard's mind.

[Labrev]

IT still lived on because the Extend Cut only brought more questions than it did answered.

 
Unless the viewer at hand is an absolute pedant, this statement is flatly untrue.
 

The slides for Blue and Green could be seen as what the Starkid is making you think is going on with Red being the only slideshow that takes place after it all ends or something like that.

 
Which only goes to prove the selective nature and confirmation-bias of the user in question.

 

 

Everyone says the IT'ers are bat **** crazy but were not the ones going into threads and telling people they have to believe this or that. No one is bothering anyone let us have our little thread and leave us be.

 

Before the mods did us all a favor and banned IT, its followers were frequently going into threads and insulting people for disagreeing with them.

 

'Only reason it is not happening now is because most of the group is simply no longer present around here. They have taken their rabid fanboyism elsewhere. And guess what? Its users love to spend their time over there taking shots with great vitriol at everyone who rejects their nonsense. Given that, there is no reason to believe they would be civil if they stuck around.

 

Thank you based Stan/Priestly.

 

 

I asked a question earlier in the thread that no one has yet answered. Why does the Leviathan DLC disprove IT? If anything, it seems to help confirm it. Leviathan and his species held lesser races "in thrall" and the Reapers modeled themselves after Leviathan's kind. "In thrall" = Indoctrination. Not to mention that the entire conversation with Leviathan was held in Shepard's mind.

 
LOL
 
Leviathan affirms the existence of the AI that controls the Reapers and its intended function which, by extension, applies to all Reapers.
 
Though, I am sure that some mental-gymnastics are on the way to hand-wave this development (Leviathan lied, I'll wager).

[Daerog]

I was really hoping the truth behind the Reapers was that they "reaped" the galaxy every cycle in order to maintain control and prevent chaos. As in, they let civilization go to a certain point, but beyond that point is unknown and could prove dangerous for reality or other species that wish to rise up, and so they hit the reset button.

 

It's like species are so war like and dangerous, that they get to a point that they threaten the galaxy and the continuation of life, so the Reapers prevent that possibility by ending them before they get to that potential of danger.

 

Since it is nothing personal or evil in their minds, they preserve any civilizations they can as Reapers, in remembrance and honor of them... well, that would be how they viewed it.

 

But, no, they chose to go with the Quarian v. Geth (The Matrix) storyline and make the Reapers just some broken, malfunctioning tools.

 

The IT theory was really fun and I liked it, but I never thought for a second that it was the true story, I accepted that the biggest villains became the worst villains I've seen in a BioWare game.

[Monica21]

 LOL
 
Leviathan affirms the existence of the AI that controls the Reapers and its intended function which, by extension, applies to all Reapers.
 
Though, I am sure that some mental-gymnastics are on the way to hand-wave this development (Leviathan lied, I'll wager).

 

Oh, goody. More dismissive sarcasm. *sigh*

[AlanC9]

IT still lived on because the Extend Cut only brought more questions than it did answered. The slides for Blue and Green could be seen as what the Starkid is making you think is going on with Red being the only slideshow that takes place after it all ends or something like that.

That's precisely the point. Any evidence can be rationalized away as just more indoctrination. IT is evidence-proof.

[Daerog]

It is not evidence proof, it just needs another POV other than Shepard. Introduce another PC and give the PC's view on things and there is evidence against IT... which ME:A will likely provide... maybe...

[Lunch Box1912]

I would just like to point out that I'm not attacking anyone but I'm being attacked because I'm an IT believer posting in a thread about indoctrination theory that's my point and I was here when Chris Priestley shut down all those threads thank you very much he was a piece of s*** that said he wouldn't shut down the One Last Plea thread where we were minding our own business and staying in our little thread and then he did anyway so f*** Chris Priestley