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[DoomsdayDevice]

I've always been of the opinion that IT is a correct interpretation of the ME3 ending, but we still won't know with the next game, because they're going with a new galaxy and a new protagonist, obviously because they want to avoid having to deal with the ending(s). I can't think of any other good reason for this move.

[DarthSliver]

I've always been of the opinion that IT is a correct interpretation of the ME3 ending, but we still won't know with the next game, because they're going with a new galaxy and a new protagonist, obviously because they want to avoid having to deal with the ending(s). I can't think of any other good reason for this move.

I read in another thread that Marc Walters feels there is not enough unexplored space in Milky Way lol. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

I read in another thread that Marc Walters feels there is not enough unexplored space in Milky Way lol.

If he really said that, and I actually doubt it, that would be the weakest excuse imaginable.

[liggy002]

I agree with Heimerdinger on the EC endings all being in Shepard's mind.  The idea of the Reapers and humans living together in perfect harmony is all too good to be true.  There's no way the galaxy would suddenly forgive the Reapers for their mass murdering atrocities and coexist peacefully with them.  Humans are far too irrational and stupid for that.  It had to be a vision in Shepard's head.

 

Also, it would make the most sense for humans to seek out a new home in Andromeda in an attempt to flee the Reapers.  Otherwise, why waste all of those resources to explore a new galaxy if the Milky Way galaxy was a safe place to live?  Well, a counterargument could be that humanity is simply seeking a new place to live to expand to new worlds.  If that's the case, then what's with the whole "humanity's last hope" mention?

[Spectr61]

Extended Cut disproves Indoctrination Theory, as you get the narrated slideshow explaining the repercussions of your choices.
It was not in Shepard's mind, it was real.

It's all indoctrination thinking. Especially the EC.

All least that was my silly hope.

Give Bioware an out so as to properly finish.

Pipe dream, I know.

Dammit, off to Andromeda just because Casey Hudson and Mac Walters couldn't finish. Wish they would have left it to the lead writer of 1 and 2, Drew Karpyshyn.

The fact that Walters is still around Edmonton and Montreal scares the crap outta me for MEA.

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/70322720

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Wish they would have left it to the lead writer of 1 and 2, Drew Karpyshyn.

I don't. Drew's Dark Energy Plot sounded much worse than what we got in Mass Effect 3. 

[Spectr61]

I don't. Drew's Dark Energy Plot sounded much worse than what we got in Mass Effect 3.

Yeah, what we got was so good...

There's no way that the writer of two of the most acclaimed game in history would have done better.

[AlanC9]

The Dark Energy idea he actually had was bad. Believing that he would have later had some completely different good idea and calling that other ending Dark Energy is an exercise in pure fantasy, but if it makes you happy to believe that, there's no point arguing about it.

Edit: "bad" above only applies if you think that the problem with the real endings is that the Reapers turn out to be the good guys and Shepard ends up having to cooperate with them if he doesn't want to let the universe be destroyed. (Most IT fans seem to believe this; avoiding this is kind of the point of IT.) I don't think those things are true in the existing endings myself, but they really were going to be true in the DE plot.

[Spacepunk01]

I read in another thread that Marc Walters feels there is not enough unexplored space in Milky Way lol. 

 

The most ignorant comment in recent memory.

 

Please don't tell me that he actually said that. We didn't even explore 0.001% of the stars in the MWG. The scariest thing I can imagine is a bunch of scientifically illiterate people running around trying to create a respectable science fiction experience.

 

Damn, I am so worried about the future of Mass Effect.

[wolfhowwl]

The Dark Energy idea he actually had was bad. Believing that he would have later had some completely different good idea and calling that other ending Dark Energy is an exercise in pure fantasy, but if it makes you happy to believe that, there's no point arguing about it.

Edit: "bad" above only applies if you think that the problem with the real endings is that the Reapers turn out to be the good guys and Shepard ends up having to cooperate with them if he doesn't want to let the universe be destroyed. (Most IT fans seem to believe this; avoiding this is kind of the point of IT.) I don't think those things are true in the existing endings myself, but they really were going to be true in the DE plot.

 

Dark Energy was bad for many other reasons but yeah the fundamental objection to the existing ending that some people had would also apply there.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, there's also the whole encouraging-the-use-of-tech-that's-destroying-the-universe thing

[shepskisaac]

Yeah, there's also the whole encouraging-the-use-of-tech-that's-destroying-the-universe thing

Even bigger issue would be the question how in any way even large-scale manipulation of Dark Matter in 1 galaxy can kill the entire universe made up of kazillion galaxies lol

[In Exile]

The Dark Energy idea he actually had was bad. Believing that he would have later had some completely different good idea and calling that other ending Dark Energy is an exercise in pure fantasy, but if it makes you happy to believe that, there's no point arguing about it.

Edit: "bad" above only applies if you think that the problem with the real endings is that the Reapers turn out to be the good guys and Shepard ends up having to cooperate with them if he doesn't want to let the universe be destroyed. (Most IT fans seem to believe this; avoiding this is kind of the point of IT.) I don't think those things are true in the existing endings myself, but they really were going to be true in the DE plot.

 

The idea is stupid, but it would at least be consistent with the setting. The issue, IMO, with the endings isn't so much that they're dumb. A lot of ME is really dumb. ME1 had a plot that was complete nonsense at times and predicate on stupidity, incompetence, political absurdity and had an impossible timeline. But people handwave that, because it all more or less was a consistent B-movie.

 

The most ignorant comment in recent memory.

 

Please don't tell me that he actually said that. We didn't even explore 0.001% of the stars in the MWG. The scariest thing I can imagine is a bunch of scientifically illiterate people running around trying to create a respectable science fiction experience.

 

Damn, I am so worried about the future of Mass Effect.

 

How could you be worried about the future of Mass Effect if your concern is scientific literacy? Mass Effect is built on scientific illiteracy. Everything about the setting set down in ME1 ranges from complete nonsense to just plain incorrect.

[WillieStyle]

Edit: "bad" above only applies if you think that the problem with the real endings is that the Reapers turn out to be the good guys and Shepard ends up having to cooperate with them if he doesn't want to let the universe be destroyed. (Most IT fans seem to believe this; avoiding this is kind of the point of IT.) I don't think those things are true in the existing endings myself, but they really were going to be true in the DE plot.

Replace "good guys" with "necessary evil" and you've described what's so terrible about the endings when taken at face value. Absolutely no one who experienced what Shepherd did would buy the argument that the Reapers were a necessary evil. And absolutely no one - including those who picked the synthesis ending - would actually pick synthesis if they had experienced all that Shepherd did.

Now, haven beaten this dead horse yet again, I'll see myself out.

[Sartoz]

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This thread has more life than that battery ad on TV.

 

I say, again. The answer to the Op is NO, NO and NO.

 

Bio's Chris Wynn mentioned something about giving nods to the trilogy in terms of famiiar races, the Mako and non-character connections, like the combat. Everything else is new... that is spelled with a N ... E... W

[Gwydden]

How could you be worried about the future of Mass Effect if your concern is scientific literacy? Mass Effect is built on scientific illiteracy. Everything about the setting set down in ME1 ranges from complete nonsense to just plain incorrect.

Ah, but people don't have an ax to grind with ME1 and ME2, so the silly pseudoscience present therein is easily forgiven while ME3 and now MEA are expected to be the hardest of space operas and anything remotely implausible is a good enough excuse to throw it into the fire. Some people just look at the past through nostalgia, which is hardly fair.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Extended Cut disproves Indoctrination Theory, as you get the narrated slideshow explaining the repercussions of your choices.

It was not in Shepard's mind, it was real.

 

Not to mention IT just resets the ending back to the final mission and doesn't actually end the game's storyline. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Yeah, what we got was so good...

There's no way that the writer of two of the most acclaimed game in history would have done better.

 

Here is a newsflash for you: even great writers can write awful stories and come up with bad ideas. Karpyshyn is a good writer but his Dark Energy ending was even worst then the original endings.  

[Equalitas]

The original Mass effect 3 endings where sloppy. I bet the breathing scene is something that bioware forgot to cut. And in Extended cut they just left it in there for Feels like fanservice, speculation etc

[Seboist]

Ah, but people don't have an ax to grind with ME1 and ME2, so the silly pseudoscience present therein is easily forgiven while ME3 and now MEA are expected to be the hardest of space operas and anything remotely implausible is a good enough excuse to throw it into the fire. Some people just look at the past through nostalgia, which is hardly fair.

 

Those of us who weren't simply butthurt over lack of happy ending with waifu in ME3 recognize ME2 as the chief culprit for ME3's major faults(barring a few like cerb sith empire). Short of outright retconning ME2, ME3 was doomed from the start because of it.

[In Exile]

Those of us who weren't simply butthurt over lack of happy ending with waifu in ME3 recognize ME2 as the chief culprit for ME3's major faults(barring a few like cerb sith empire). Short of outright retconning ME2, ME3 was doomed from the start because of it.

 

Not necessarily. ME2 was kind of a soft reboot. You could easily do a "duology" based on beating the Reapers. You couldn't do a Reaper invasion, but an invasion would always be incredibly stupid, since you'd either have to come up with an "OFF" button if they're not nerfed or you'd have to nerf them to give the galaxy a chance. Plus, Shepard is just a person with a peashooter to them, so you couldn't even do a confrontation. The problem with ME3 was that it tried to follow up on both ME1 and ME2, and no game could do that part. Bioware had to stick with their soft reboot, but didn't. Hence the disaster.

[HydroFlame20]

Lol oh just let it die all ready lol.

[Seboist]

Not necessarily. ME2 was kind of a soft reboot. You could easily do a "duology" based on beating the Reapers. You couldn't do a Reaper invasion, but an invasion would always be incredibly stupid, since you'd either have to come up with an "OFF" button if they're not nerfed or you'd have to nerf them to give the galaxy a chance. Plus, Shepard is just a person with a peashooter to them, so you couldn't even do a confrontation. The problem with ME3 was that it tried to follow up on both ME1 and ME2, and no game could do that part. Bioware had to stick with their soft reboot, but didn't. Hence the disaster.

 

That's the thing, ME2 ends with the Reapers at the galactic gates, with the galaxy no better prepared than they were at the end of ME1 or without any means of stopping the reapers discovered(more so if the collector base is destroyed). It's because of this, that if ME3 actually followed the lore, it would last two hours tops with a reaper victory after they took over the citadel and the relay network. That's why we ended up with the crucible and the reapers having plot induced stupidity.

 

Only way ME3 wouldn't have been botched from the start is if they had completely ignored ME2 or if ME2 had simply been a spin off about the adventures of Shepard and friends.

[KaiserShep]

Not necessarily. ME2 was kind of a soft reboot. You could easily do a "duology" based on beating the Reapers. You couldn't do a Reaper invasion, but an invasion would always be incredibly stupid, since you'd either have to come up with an "OFF" button if they're not nerfed or you'd have to nerf them to give the galaxy a chance. Plus, Shepard is just a person with a peashooter to them, so you couldn't even do a confrontation. The problem with ME3 was that it tried to follow up on both ME1 and ME2, and no game could do that part. Bioware had to stick with their soft reboot, but didn't. Hence the disaster.

 

I really wish we just blew up the dark relay wherever out there and the reapers just got killed in dark space. Harbinger would feel so trolled before it died, then Keeper 20 becomes the new ruler of the galaxy and we can all go home.

[Jay P]

Some fans were a little too invested into their ME power fantasy and desire to have a a happy ending with space waifu at the beach that having the rug swept from right underneath them at the end heavily traumatized them.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

The indoctrination theory is the darkest of all endings.

I don't subscribe to it because Bioware has essentially said its not true and, well, it's their game.

But under the indoctrination theory, not only is all sentient life exterminated, you lose your autonomy as the hero of the story, and are actually working for the enemy and the extermination of all mankind, undermining everything you had accomplished up to that point.

How is that a happy ending?