567 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Payload]

Yes the indoctrination theory is alive and well. But is it a theory anymore and not a fact? To those who paid attention to the trilogy understand that IT was one of the CENTRAL themes of the story. The trilogy started with IT and ended with IT in the reapers trying to assume control over Shepard and his "Will."

Look at real life in general. You have hollywood and every source of entertainment (video games, news outlets, politics) out there telling us how to think and what to believe in and the sad part is that it is all INTENTIONAL. Indoctrination is all around us.

If you do not understand this then I am so sad and can see why you picked synthesis and control. Ya, Bioware messed with your minds and it backfired on them, as a result, you fight till this very day :')

[AlanC9]

@AlanC9 who said:
"I also have no idea what that Amalur game has to do with anything."
 
Well play it instead of just critiquing it. And you'll see the references and even storylines relating directly to Mass Effect right up front, at the beginning of the game. When the Amalur Mystery Man Protagonist gets his Omni-gel weapon and Shepard Armor upon resurrection from death to pursue & weave an entirely new "Fate". With the caveat statement that they were remnants which derived from a world that vanished in a "long distant and forgotten past".

What I meant was, what does a game from a completely different studio and writing team say about Mass Effect? I get that as an IT guy you're good at seeing patterns that aren't there, but what's the mechanism of the connection?

[AlanC9]

It lives, it dies, it lives again.

This is about the best argument for having ME:A really tell us what's happening in the Milky Way.

[EliotNesss]

@AlanC9 who said:

"What I meant was, what does a game from a completely different studio and writing team say about Mass Effect? I get that as an IT guy you're good at seeing patterns that aren't there, but what's the mechanism of the connection?"

 

Well, except in this case the patterns, words, story, reference and pretty much everything in the KOA game was there. So just who isn't seeing non existent patterns? Heck; KOA-Amalur wasn't theory. It was really a game set in a post Mass Effect future. For all we know they could have scripted it in collaboration, post Andromeda! Even though I highly doubt such a collaboration. It's for sale on EA/Origen's website right now! You're not giving Bioware nearly enough credit for even reaching out beyond their own studios to extend the Mass Effect ecosystem. Especially when KOA weaponry and Armor were included in ME3! Time travel maybe? And it's certainly interesting and less than coincidental that the connective thread that bridged both Dev houses were vague inferences to a much larger Indoctrination mystery. Perhaps the non "IT" guys, like yourself perhaps, are good at ignoring patterns or not even seeing ones that are staring at you through your game monitors, with red neon 3D lights flashing. It's interesting that you attacked my perception instead of any example I sited, except KOA. Which you obviously hadn't even played. Because, those Pattern were very difficult to miss.

[AlanC9]

OK, this is obviously trolling. Well played, since I actually fell for it. I'll toss you a "like" for the execution.

[EliotNesss]

@AlanC9:

Thumb up back atcha! even though this was not trolling. Just a difference of opinion. But I accept the truce. I might have thrown you with that ME3 comment. But it was actually true. ME3 had a complementary weapon and armor package (free auto DLC) from KOA-R. Which had a reciprocal free auto DLC package in KOA-R. I used both frequently in both games (except for the armor in ME3). You had to own both games and play the KOA demo to get them. But in the spirit of the truce. Peace!

[Sigiel]

When I heard FEMshep voice on the new teaser. I was 

 

OH MY 3333333 GOD....

 

To me look like IT  true and only red ending is cannon... 

 

OR Bio-ware are the worse /best troll in the industy.

 

"No!!!!! the next mass effect will never ever have anything to do with shepard NEVER ever.....  

 

"Shepard signing off"...

 

Ps (one can hope" let me have my delusion please?)

[shepskisaac]

When I heard FEMshep voice on the new teaser. I was 

 

OH MY 3333333 GOD....

 

To me look like IT  true and only red ending is cannon... 

 

OR Bio-ware are the worse /best troll in the industy.

 

"No!!!!! the next mass effect will never ever have anything to do with shepard NEVER ever.....  

 

"Shepard signing off"...

Are. You. Serious?

[Sigiel]

man!

 

I gonna lisen to to it another time, did I hallucinate?

 

I just google M3 iT theory after watching it. 

 

http://www.gamespot....r/1100-6432078/

 

can't be fake right?

 

anyway to me IT is like 

 

The han Solo conundrum

 

We all know han shot first

 

but gorge cannot admit it...

[EliotNesss]

Aye-yi-yi! One more time. If IT happened, here is how it worked with the 4 endings. I think many are very confused by this because of the way they played the game. And are thus hugely biased toward their specific outcomes. Hence the massive roar of those who chose Renegade paths to canonize Destroy or refusal outcomes going forward. When IT would in reality mean they lost. so here is IT in its simplest form IMO. IT supposes that Shepard was battling Indoctrination in all 3 episodes.

1. Paragon Ending "Synthesis"-Shepard won. He in fact flipped the switch and Indoctrinated Catalyst and the Reapers. Shepard gained absolute hegemony over everything. The entire litany of battle sequences and DLC packages in ME3 support this IMO. Including Shepard& Geth actually Killing the switch in the collective Reaper mind and physically destroying the full adult Reaper on Rannoch. Up to that point Shepard had only won a partial victory against IT by defeating the developing Reaper in ME2 (which ended up being the "Illusive Man" in ME3). Reapers/Catalyst lost and life changed.
2. Paragon Ending "Control"-Shepard won. Reapers got Indoctrinated by Shepard. He reached permanent and eternal détente with Catalyst and Reapers who entrusted him with Control.
3. Renegade Ending-"Destroy"-Shepard was indoctrinated & thought he won-In fact he either died and everything was left to evolve to the same sorry state in a distant future. Or he was completely indoctrinated. His final conversation with "Illusive Man", or as some theorize "his own indoctrinated ID" somewhat suggests this, if one followed a pure Renegade path. Because both Leviathan, Synthetics and Reapers still lived on remained as committed and unchanged as before.
4. Renegade Ending-Refusal-Shepard knew he had lost. And instead of succumbing to final & full indoctrination, committed suicide. See #3 above for the rest.

As IT goes, Indoctrination was in play in all 4 outcomes in one way or the other. What's really fascinating is that people who appear to have chosen to play the Renegade Shepard path, got indoctrinated and refused to, or couldn't see it until it destroyed, or consumed them. While those who played the Paragon Shepard path embraced the potential of Indoctrination for all of life (organic & synthetic). And outwitted IT in a way whereby they gained complete control over everything associated with it. You can sorta see that play itself out in comments on forums like this one. With some yearning for a kind of weird "canonization" of suicide and destruction in future Mass Effect Games over evolution. Or stated another way-Evolution continuing on down a predictable destructive and suicidal path. While others want to make a complete break from the strait jacket of the past. And evolve on into a challenging new future of possibilities & adventure in Andromeda, Milky Way, or anywhere else in the Universe, or Omniverse Mass Effect takes them. With Reapers and everything else as part of their evolved DNA.

[Little Princess Peach]

wow I feel like I've gone back in time to 2012.... this thread=timelord?

[CyberMiguel]

With some yearning for a kind of weird "canonization" of suicide and destruction in future Mass Effect Games over evolution. Or stated another way-Evolution continuing on down a predictable destructive and suicidal path. While others want to make a complete break from the strait jacket of the past. And evolve on into a challenging new future of possibilities & adventure in Andromeda, Milky Way, or anywhere else in the Universe, or Omniverse Mass Effect takes them. With Reapers and everything else as part of their evolved DNA.

 

 

 

 

It's not suicide if at the very end of the "Destroy" ending appears the scene of Shepard breathing, hence the Indoc Theory. If there wasn't a Shepard breathing at the end video, there would be no IT. 

 

 

 

 

Now, after watching today's andromeda trailer with femshep voice, one could think that IT is not dead yet.

[AlanC9]

Now, after watching today's andromeda trailer with femshep voice, one could think that IT is not dead yet.

Of course, it's going to turn out that the Ark leaves before the end of ME3, so IT will be irrelevant.

[AlanC9]

• Paragon Ending "Synthesis"-Shepard won. He in fact flipped the switch and Indoctrinated Catalyst and the Reapers. Shepard gained absolute hegemony over everything. The entire litany of battle sequences and DLC packages in ME3 support this IMO. Including Shepard& Geth actually Killing the switch in the collective Reaper mind and physically destroying the full adult Reaper on Rannoch. Up to that point Shepard had only won a partial victory against IT by defeating the developing Reaper in ME2 (which ended up being the "Illusive Man" in ME3). Reapers/Catalyst lost and life changed.
• Paragon Ending "Control"-Shepard won. Reapers got Indoctrinated by Shepard. He reached permanent and eternal détente with Catalyst and Reapers who entrusted him with Control.
• Renegade Ending-"Destroy"-Shepard was indoctrinated & thought he won-In fact he either died and everything was left to evolve to the same sorry state in a distant future. Or he was completely indoctrinated. His final conversation with "Illusive Man", or as some theorize "his own indoctrinated ID" somewhat suggests this, if one followed a pure Renegade path. Because both Leviathan, Synthetics and Reapers still lived on remained as committed and unchanged as before.
• Renegade Ending-Refusal-Shepard knew he had lost. And instead of succumbing to final & full indoctrination, committed suicide. See #3 above for the rest.

So Renegades always lose? Wow..... as IT evolves, it gets even worse.

Thanks for the recap, though -- I stopped trying to sort this stuff out around the tine The Twilight God started pushing Deception Theory. (That was back when there were still a bunch of Original Recipe IT fans around trying to tell people that Bio was going to release a massive IT-confirming DLC sometime real soon now.)

[EliotNesss]

@AlanC9:
ROFLMAO! NOOOO! You never really lose in a true Viking Funeral. There are no winners or losers. As Scotty said in Wrath of Kahn. "HE'S Dead Already"! My cold green eyes are pretty clear on this stuff lol.

[EliotNesss]

@AlanC9:
ROFLMAO! NOOOO! You never really lose in a true Viking Funeral. There are no winners or losers. As Scotty said in Wrath of Kahn. "HE'S Dead Already"! My cold green eyes are pretty clear on this stuff lol.

[EliotNesss]

@AlanC9:
ROFLMAO! NOOOO! You never really lose in a true Viking Funeral. There are no winners or losers. As Scotty said in Wrath of Kahn. "HE'S Dead Already"! My cold green eyes are pretty clear on this stuff lol.

[Sigiel]

One more time. If IT happened, here is how it worked with the 4 endings. I think many are very confused by this because of the way they played the game. And are thus hugely biased toward their specific outcomes.

 

 

exactly that is not how I play my game, that is not how I constructed MY ME fantasy.

 

at the end of the day, i'm still the master of my own imagination.

 

so IT mean what I want it to mean.  anything but official cannon (because frankly it kinda suck!).

 

But objectively

 

Because we don't know the time frame of the "ark launch"

 

IT is a possibility until Proven otherwise by that said time frame. (which has a good probability to be disprove I agree).

but until then IT now have a very strong argument. 

 

Bio-ware are aware of this, "Casey is gone, (along with his artistic integrity....)"

 

They know it will put oil on the fire.. for a least a long while... 

 

The biggest troll in the industry.

 

And by the way that was a master move, I haven't play DLC on ME3 because I decided to not give my money to them after that abysmal ending.

I was kinda looking at Andromeda as a far shot maybe...

 

But now I even post on the forum... So they attracted my attention only because of Femshep narration and what it can mean for IT.

I have hope in my eyes even if illusive... seriously even the E3 presentation wich had way more substance than the  last trailer, did not struck a nerve. This one did.

 

Why?

 

"Shepard" .