567 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Monica21]

Exactly, that's why they're less crazy than ITers, who go balls deep in the kool-aid over a videogame ending. At least the Holocaust and 9/11 are real events.

 

This doesn't actually make any sense.

[shepskisaac]

I see IT fans already jealous that Ark Theory at least got the different galaxy prediction right while IT didn't materialize in anything for over 3 years

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Exactly, that's why they're less crazy than ITers, who go balls deep in the kool-aid over a videogame ending. At least the Holocaust and 9/11 are real events.

Wow, just...just wow. 

So you're suggesting that people saying a video game ending didn't really happen is worse than people saying the mass murder of 11 million real life people didn't happen? 

[Lunch Box1912]

Exactly, that's why they're less crazy than ITers, who go balls deep in the kool-aid over a videogame ending. At least the Holocaust and 9/11 are real events.

 

How about we drop the Holocaust and 9/11 from the discussion. Because now I'm getting pissed off that you think it is okay to use these events as a reference for a video game discussion.

[Seboist]

That's a messed up comparison. 

 

ITers are just trying to find a way to make a game more enjoyable for them. 

Holocaust deniers and 9/11 truthers are trivializing and demeaning real life tragedies. 

 

Which is why they never focus on gameplay mechanics or how none of the choices barring the VS outcome have any tangible impact on the game?

 

Much like the rest of the fanbase that was upset with endings, the ITers are only interested in getting their little happy endings. As I always say, the quickest way to disprove the idiotic IT is to ask oneself "Would the IT exist if the game had a happy ending?", the answer is of course not.

[LPPrince]

Some  fans were a little too invested into their ME power fantasy and desire to have a a happy ending with space waifu at the beach that having the rug swept from right underneath them at the end heavily traumatized them.

 

The ME3 ending was trash but dang, the Indoc Theory is not a thing that actually happened and now its being brought up for a completey unrelated game?

 

Whats next? Indoctrination Theory for Dragon Age?

[Undead Han]

I'm sympathetic to the idea of IT as an interpretation for trying to make sense of the endings, but the notion that the writers fully intended it from the beginning I find a lot less plausible.

 

 

That was always my issue with the IT from the start. I thought it gave way too much credit to the writing of the series, relying on all these subtle little clues to be true, when absolutely nothing in the series up to that point had been anything except ham-handed. 

[dfjdejulio]

The ship is still moving in the universe, so it is still experiencing the universe's timeflow. It is only inside the ship where time dilation would occur. Therefore, the ship still needs a power supply capable of running the ship at the speed it is going, defenses for anything it may encounter like asteroids, and keeping the stasis pods powered for millions of years.

 

Energy is only needed for acceleration or course-corrections.  Moving at a constant speed in near-vaccum is not energy-intensive.  ("Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a ****** in space!")

 

And stasis pods would be inside the ship, so they'd be wrapped in any time dilation and would not need to experience a million years of real time passing for them -- there is no "universe's timeflow" (just that of an external observer, which the ship would not actually experience, according to the physics).

 

(And I'm not saying I'm sure this is how they'll do it.  I just think it's a lot more plausible than you're giving it credit for.  And for the record, I don't mind indoctrination theory either.  I understand why people who feel strongly about player agency hate it, but I don't mind that some people like it.  If they can come up with a solution that doesn't disprove it, then I think that would be preferable.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Don't try to hard to get offended, don't want to strain yourself or anything

It's too, not to. If you're going to use personal insults, at least use accurate grammar. 

[Lunch Box1912]

Which is why they never focus on gameplay mechanics or how none of the choices barring the VS outcome have any tangible impact on the game?

 

Much like the rest of the fanbase that was upset with endings, the ITers are only interested in getting their little happy endings. As I always say, the quickest way to disprove the idiotic IT is to ask oneself "Would the IT exist if the game had a happy ending?", the answer is of course not.

See that's not true if IT was confirmed and the galaxy was lost I would be okay with that.

[Augustei]

It's too, not to. If you're going to use personal insults, at least use accurate grammar. 

See now, you're trying hard to throw a tantrum now XD. Quit it

Grammar Nazi's are worse than regular nazi's you know

[HunterSho]

That's your opinion sir.

 

Okaaay, is that it? Do you have an opinion?

 

The Ark Theory breaks the lore several times, from us suddenly having intergalactic capabilities where the lore states we do not to going against the story by suddenly having a second, even more complex project despite all resources and the top minds going to the Crucible project which is already straining the galaxy's infrastructure to the point of collapse so if the Ark Theory is true, we doomed the Milky Way even if we defeat the Reapers. 

 

It has holes, I agree. Though the version I heard at least has it that the indoctrination doesn't actually happen until the beam run. Which kind of makes sense since we are indoctrinated at least for a moment when we are forced to shoot Anderson. And IT goes with the assumption that the Catalyst is lying to you. 

 

But at least IT just throws the endings away in an attempt to make them unique rather than throwing the lore, the galaxy, and almost all the characters away like the Ark Theory does. 

 

When did they say the Crucible Project was straining the galaxy's infrastructure to the point of collapse?

 

I can understand what you're saying about the Ark but I don't see it being nearly as big of an undertaking as the Crucible was. The journey in the Ark would have been massive but it's development is quite simple. You need a big ship with an FTL drive, a computer to calculate who gets to go (see Dr. Strangelove), food sustainability/stasis machines and again, a really long time to travel there. Or he writers could simply say that a relay was found that linked up to Andromeda galaxy. Problem solved haha.

[The Heretic of Time]

Wow, just...just wow. 

So you're suggesting that people saying a video game ending didn't really happen is worse than people saying the mass murder of 11 million real life people didn't happen? 

 

Worse? No.
Crazier? Yes.

But you know what, if my post was too much for you to handle, you can simply replace "holocaust denier" with "flat-earther" or "creationist". Doesn't matter. The point stays the same.

[Steelcan]

The ME3 ending was trash but dang, the Indoc Theory is not a thing that actually happened and now its being brought up for a completed unrelated game?

 

Whats next? Indoctrination Theory for Dragon Age?

you jest my good sir, you jest

 

but I'm a regular at the IT forum and I would not put it past a certain subsection

[Lunch Box1912]

The ME3 ending was trash but dang, the Indoc Theory is not a thing that actually happened and now its being brought up for a completed unrelated game?

 

Whats next? Indoctrination Theory for Dragon Age?

Solas was indoctrinated it all makes sense now!

[Augustei]

Whats next? Indoctrination Theory for Dragon Age?

....Holy crap, how didn't we see it sooner?!

[Monica21]

Much like the rest of the fanbase that was upset with endings, the ITers are only interested in getting their little happy endings. As I always say, the quickest way to disprove the idiotic IT is to ask oneself "Would the IT exist if the game had a happy ending?", the answer is of course not.

 

How does Shepard being indoctrinated qualify as a "happy ending"?

[Torgette]

Worse? No.
Crazier? Yes.

But you know what, if my post was too much for you to handle, you can simply replace "holocaust denier" with "flat-earther" or "creationist". Doesn't matter. The point stays the same.

 

Speaking of crazy...

[Augustei]

How does Shepard being indoctrinated qualify as a "happy ending"?

Cause reapers are hawt and....well I won't go into further details
 

Speaking of crazy...

Batman's crazy, doesn't stop him from crusading for justice!

[The Heretic of Time]

How does Shepard being indoctrinated qualify as a "happy ending"?

 

[Torgette]

How does Shepard being indoctrinated qualify as a "happy ending"?

 

Technically the ending of ME3 as it exists already is 3 very black & white happy endings and 1 bad one.

 

If they wanted to be dark, then all 3 would have negative repercussions of some kind - but alas there are no real negative repercussions to speak of.

[Lunch Box1912]

Okaaay, is that it? Do you have an opinion?

 

I believe my Dino IT DLC theory was clearly posted on page one

[In Exile]

How does Shepard being indoctrinated qualify as a "happy ending"?

 

Well, in comparison to the usual ME3 endings? At least it leaves the hope of waking up and defeating the reapers. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

When did they say the Crucible Project was straining the galaxy's infrastructure to the point of collapse?

 

I can understand what you're saying about the Ark but I don't see it being nearly as big of an undertaking as the Crucible was. The journey in the Ark would have been massive but it's development is quite simple. You need a big ship with an FTL drive, a computer to calculate who gets to go (see Dr. Strangelove), food sustainability/stasis machines and again, a really long time to travel there. Or he writers could simply say that a relay was found that linked up to Andromeda galaxy. Problem solved haha.

On the Spectre terminal in the Citadel, one of the messages talks about how the war effort(which the Crucible Project is a part of since it is an Anti-Reaper superweapon) is straining the galaxy's infrastructure and economy to the point that if the war goes for more than a year it will collapse entirely. So if we add the Arkl Project to that, we would cripple the galaxy even though we won. 

 

It would be bigger, actually. With the Crucible Project, we were practically spoonfed how to make one thanks to the schematics. With the Ark Project, we would have to develop everything ourselves, including technology we have no idea how it works like a FTL drive that doesn't need to discharge. 

 

When it comes to things like a Relay that links to Andromeda or a wormhole or etc, I don't consider that part of the Ark Theory since an ark isn't required anymore. 

[Seboist]

How does Shepard being indoctrinated qualify as a "happy ending"?

 

Because one of the core tenets of IT is that Shepard will "break free"* of indoctrination by picking destroy and "continuing the fight" with some post-release DLC or future game.

 

* Which completely contradicts lore as the only case of someone doing that is with the Thorian and seeing as how it's extinct....