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[The Heretic of Time]

EDIT: ...and if we get there and find golden tablets written in four different languages and a magic stone that lets us read them, then I quit.

 

I wouldn't put it past BioWare's Mass Effect writers to do just that.

[Lunch Box1912]

This has been fun.. I'm going to bed now. Night everybody. Even you non-believers night.

 

[Augustei]

Hey, if the original trilogy can have a Jesus allegory (martyr who dies to save humanity and gets resurrected, you know), then the next can have a Noah allegory.  (Or, if the size of the group lead to Andromeda is big enough, maybe it's a Moses allegory?  "I was given these instructions by a burning fractal manipulator", lead the tribes through the desolate resource-free space towards the promised land...)

 

EDIT: ...and if we get there and find golden tablets written in four different languages and a magic stone that lets us read them, then I quit.

Oh we should be so lucky.
Instead, In Andromeda we shall find the alien Lord Xenu, who condemned his prisoners to the volcanoes of earth and whose souls inhabited humans and it will all be about our return to him.
And you thought the Abrahamic Allegory was hard to stomach......

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes it does and you will simply have to deal with it. The galaxy map in E3 2014 trailer started the entire discussion in particular context of ME4 and how may Bioware sidestep ME3 endings without doing a reboot/AU/retcon, while making a 'technical' sequel that's not actually a sequel. None of the discussion about different galaxies during ME1 or ME2 period had anything to do wth this context.

No, you'll have to deal with the fact that not everyone will praise Ark Theory for guessing that we'll go to another galaxy when people have been doing it for years before Ark Theory was ever conjured up. Not to mention that again I've talked with Ark Theorists who have discussed ways for AT to work in the Milky Way. So it's not as focal a point as you're making it.

 

Yes they did. There were threads since ME1 saying "In future games, let's go to different galaxies". 

 

lol at Ark Theory working without any reboot/AU/retcons. What's next, it can work without a DEM? 

 

Cause you keep arguing IT is somehow better despite not getting a single prediciton right lol

No, I said between IT and AT I'd take IT because it breaks the lore less. Completely different. 

[GnusmasTHX]

IT vs AT, the battle for the ages.

[shepskisaac]

So it's not as focal a point as you're making it.

 

No, I said between IT and AT I'd take IT because it breaks the lore less. Completely different. 

Yes it is because it was for 99% people in that topic lol. Deal

 

 

No, I said between IT and AT I'd take IT because it breaks the lore less. Completely different. 

Both 'theories' are guessing games on Bioware's intentions. One's doing way better so far : P

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes it is because it was for 99% people in that topic lol. Deal

 

 

Both 'theories' are guessing games on Bioware's intentions. One's doing way better so far : P

Deal with the fact people don't think anything involving going to other galaxies means credit to AT when those ideas have existed years prior. 

 

Again, why do you think I care which theory is dong better? 

[dfjdejulio]

Oh we should be so lucky.
Instead, In Andromeda we shall find the alien Lord Xenu, who condemned his prisoners to the volcanoes of earth and whose souls inhabited humans and it will all be about our return to him.
And you thought the Abrahamic Allegory was hard to stomach......

 

But, we've already had that one -- Thetans = indoctrination, The Intelligence = Lord Xenu, no?  (I can't figure out the DC10s flying into the volcanos, though.)

[GreatBlueHeron]

The forums were crazy for a while, with ITers (and other people) calling names and accusing people of being dumb for not seeing their perspective. It got really hostile, and vaguely annoying. Especially when I just wanted to talk about what Shepard's going to do now that she's all the Reapers. The endings were incredibly divisive in general, but something about IT just really whacked the hornet's nest.

And the people throwing around insults in this thread hate IT. I'm guessing the opposition to IT is because if true, it makes the entire mission of stopping the reapers futile. No one likes busy work, especially busy work to save the galaxy that will not work no matter what. What's the point of having played the game, then? Bioware attempted to implement gameplay/lack of control involving indoctrination. They couldn't get it to work, so they scrapped that part and left everything else in: the kid only Shep sees, oily dreams, the dream-like beam run. It makes for great atmosphere. I think indoctrination did not happen, but the elements were there-- there was an obvious attempt on the part of the reapers to indoctrinate Shep.

[GnusmasTHX]

And the people throwing around insults in this thread hate IT. I'm guessing the opposition to IT is because if true, it makes the entire mission of stopping the reapers futile. No one likes busy work, especially busy work to save the galaxy that will not work no matter what. What's the point of having played the game, then? Bioware attempted to implement gameplay/lack of control involving indoctrination. They couldn't get it to work, so they scrapped that part and left everything else in: the kid only Shep sees, oily dreams, the dream-like beam run. It makes for great atmosphere. I think indoctrination did not happen, but the elements were there-- there was an obvious attempt on the part of the reapers to indoctrinate Shep.

No, the opposition to IT is because it kept getting spammed in the forum and you couldn't talk about the game without talking about how bad the ending was and inevitably talking about IT.

[GreatBlueHeron]

No, the opposition to IT is because it kept getting spammed in the forum and you couldn't talk about the game without talking about how bad the ending was and inevitably talking about IT.

Not any different than spamming threads about the same five topics in the me forums, especially AT. Ark theory has multiple threads that obviously came about because of the endings. Since it's popular with the majority, the hostility isn't there, so the threads don't get shut down.

[NextGenCowboy]

See now, you're trying hard to throw a tantrum now XD. Quit it

Grammar Nazi's are worse than regular nazi's you know

 

The comma should come after "See", instead of "Now", and you don't need apostrophes for "Nazis". In addition, "Nazi" should be capitalized. =p

 

That said, I agree, everyone slips up from time to time, no reason to call someone out on poor grammar unless they're being a jerk.

[AlanC9]

Deal with the fact people don't think anything involving going to other galaxies means credit to AT when those ideas have existed years prior. 

Could you back this up with some links? I don't remember the idea coming up much prior to the ME3 ending kerfuffle. except when proposed by ignorant players who believed that most of the Milky Way had been explored by the time of ME1.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Could you back this up with some links? I don't remember the idea coming up much prior to the ME3 ending kerfuffle. except when proposed by ignorant players who believed that most of the Milky Way had been explored by the time of ME1.

No, sadly. A lot of threads didn't come over when they swapped websites, especially ones from as long as seven years ago. Sorry. 

[Jester]

How does indoctrination theory make he game better?

It would mean that instead of a bad ending, we got no ending at all.

 

Brilliant.

[In Exile]

And the people throwing around insults in this thread hate IT. I'm guessing the opposition to IT is because if true, it makes the entire mission of stopping the reapers futile. No one likes busy work, especially busy work to save the galaxy that will not work no matter what. What's the point of having played the game, then? Bioware attempted to implement gameplay/lack of control involving indoctrination. They couldn't get it to work, so they scrapped that part and left everything else in: the kid only Shep sees, oily dreams, the dream-like beam run. It makes for great atmosphere. I think indoctrination did not happen, but the elements were there-- there was an obvious attempt on the part of the reapers to indoctrinate Shep.

 

As I recall there was apparently a cut segment that did involve some more overt reaper influences, but I'm no longer able to source it because searching for it breaks the internet given the subject matter. 

[Seboist]

How does indoctrination theory make he game better?

It would mean that instead of a bad ending, we got no ending at all.

 

Brilliant.

 

According to ITers, creating a PR disaster and costing EA money with the extended cut(and in the long run with future sequels)makes perfect sense.

[The Heretic of Time]

According to ITers, creating a PR disaster and costing EA money with the extended cut(and in the long run with future sequels)makes perfect sense.

BioWare can't help themselves that they're just so much smarter than their audience. We're all just much dumber than BioWare thought we would be. That's why we don't get the IT and that's why ME3's brilliant ending turned into a disaster.

[Dobbysaurus]

Oh boy. The IT nuts are at it again. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Except for the times he doesn't pick Destroy and therefore never breaks free. That's not happy. I hate the "rocks fall everyone dies" endings, but sometimes they make sense.

 

 

But you see, ITers are all destroyers, so that's irrelevant for them. The point is that IT nulifies the current ending in hopes that the "true ending"™ won't have the forced sacrifie of destroy in it.

 

 

And to be honest, I'd rather have an ending that's at least interesting than an ending that's just bad. See: Neverwinter Nights 2

 

But IT is not an ending.

[Kabooooom]

On the Spectre terminal in the Citadel, one of the messages talks about how the war effort(which the Crucible Project is a part of since it is an Anti-Reaper superweapon) is straining the galaxy's infrastructure and economy to the point that if the war goes for more than a year it will collapse entirely. So if we add the Arkl Project to that, we would cripple the galaxy even though we won.

It would be bigger, actually. With the Crucible Project, we were practically spoonfed how to make one thanks to the schematics. With the Ark Project, we would have to develop everything ourselves, including technology we have no idea how it works like a FTL drive that doesn't need to discharge.

When it comes to things like a Relay that links to Andromeda or a wormhole or etc, I don't consider that part of the Ark Theory since an ark isn't required anymore.

It is the same basic concept though, in that they use an ark to go to a new galaxy. Ark theory isn't about the MEANS of travel, only the REASON for it. It never was about the means. The reason is an ark of survival. The means? Probably a convenient wormhole, honestly.

[Massa FX]

I like IT. Always made sense to me.

 

I  don't think IT will ever be adopted by BW.

[Jester]

I disagree.

 

Reapers were destroyed. Shepard survives and the next chapter takes place in Andromeda. Finding a new home for humanity, etc, because the Milky Way got obliterated due to the Reaper War.

How does IT means that Reapers were destroyed? 

It means that the entire ending happened in Shepard's head.

So there was no ending accoridng to it (and Shepard hallucinated EDIs/Hackett's/GodShepard's narration, which is riddiculous in and of itself).

 

Drop it, It had a degree of sense before Extended Cut, now it doesn't. 

[Kabooooom]

I disagree.

Reapers were destroyed. Shepard survives and the next chapter takes place in Andromeda. Finding a new home for humanity, etc, because the Milky Way got obliterated due to the Reaper War.

Bioware has always been ambivalent towards IT. At least, for a time. Sure they shut down threads, but that was because the conversations devolved into nerdrage and hateful dialogue. They have pretty consistently said IT is a valid interpretation for the endings.

So my guess is, the back story for Andromeda will be like this:

An ark left the MW during the Reaper war to ensure continuity of civilization. It never states WHEN it left. So IT likers can easily assume it left after Priority Earth. Sure, why not.