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[Gwydden]

It's Not (only? I can't talk for everyone) about realism. It's about internal consistency.

Why are you surprised about the ME2 squad wearing armor no one else does when they are explicitly described within the game as the best of the best at what they do? Why would Thane, an assassin, need armor? Why would Samara, who when you find her is operating in an urban area? Why would Jacob or Miranda, who are black ops agents? Why would Mordin, who is a scientist and former covert ops? Why would Jack, as an ex convict? Why would Kasumi, being a thief?

 

I agree that being dressed like Jack in Haelstrom is ridiculous, but that looks like the exception rather than the rule.

[Ambivalent]

Why not both?

 

So while combat purists can have their fun with "covered armor" other people can admire their looks by wearing fancy unrealistic stuff.

 

Just allow us to change characters armors to our liking, not by "appereance packs" but actual in game items. From infamous Miranda suit to Heavy Cerberus Armor. From  postmodernistic bikini to surrealist hijabs.

 

PS: Okay last sentence was kinda off but you see the pattern.

[The Elder King]

Why are you surprised about the ME2 squad wearing armor no one else does when they are explicitly described within the game as the best of the best at what they do? Why would Thane, an assassin, need an armor? Why would Samara, who when you find her is operating in an urban area? Why would Jacob or Miranda, who are black ops agents? Why would Mordin, who is a scientist and former covert ops? Why would Jack, as an ex convict? Why would Kasumi, being a thief?

I agree that being dressed like Jack in Haelstrom is ridiculous, but that looks like the exception rather than the rule.

Being the best of the best doesn't help when You have no kinetic barriers protecting You from bullets. Or any possible injury that might happen in combat.
I think I should clarify that I don't want everyone in heavy armour. Thane's dlc outfit, for example is fine.

[von uber]

Jack on Noveria - that would have been amusing.

Although bringing her along on the firewalker missions, especially to that volcanic planet, is funny enough.

[Sully13]

sodit Nudists in space it is then.

[animedreamer]

Bioware shouldn't ruin the plot with tentacle monsters. Hopefully there are no space tentacle monsters in the galaxy.

Um Leviathan and Reapers are giant squids from outer Space how is this NOT a Anime thing.

[Gwydden]

Being the best of the best doesn't help when You have no kinetic barriers protecting You from bullets. Or any possible injury that might happen in combat.
I think I should clarify that I don't want everyone in heavy armour. Thane's dlc outfit, for example is fine.

One thing that kind of bummed me out in the trilogy was that it was really hard to find non-bulky looking armor for Shepard. Maybe I missed something, but for someone who played mostly Sentinels and Infiltrators I certainly felt overdressed.

 

Ideally, I'd like MEA's companions to have both a casual outfit and combat armor that does not necessarily look like they are the Imperium of Man's elite. So I want pretty much the same you do. The reason I've been playing devil's advocate is that I see it as a personal preference and I'm trying to get why so many people thought there was something wrong with it.

 

I've heard the kinetic barriers argument before. It's just that, again, I think armor (especially heavy armor) would look inconsistent with certain character's careers. I can even buy Jack fights like that. She is reckless to the point of insanity.

[Sully13]

Um Leviathan and Reapers are giant squids from outer Space how is this NOT a Anime thing.

kuttlefish... shells n stuff... but i now need that Hentai.

[The Elder King]

One thing that kind of bummed me out in the trilogy was that it was really hard to find non-bulky looking armor for Shepard. Maybe I missed something, but for someone who played mostly Sentinels and Infiltrators I certainly felt overdressed.

Ideally, I'd like MEA's companions to have both a casual outfit and combat armor that does not necessarily look like they are the Imperium of Man's elite. So I want pretty much the same you do. The reason I've been playing devil's advocate is that I see it as a personal preference and I'm trying to get why so many people thought there was something wrong with it.

I've heard the kinetic barriers argument before. It's just that, again, I think armor (especially heavy armor) would look inconsistent with certain character's careers. I can even buy Jack fights like that. She is reckless to the point of insanity.

Indeed, we want the same thing. And I agree on missing lighter armours in ME2-ME3.
And I agree on heavy armour being inconsistent on certain characters, as Well as limiting them.

[Sully13]

Only thing that annoyed me was Femsheps sholders.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Probably the best way to go about it is expand on ME3's system.

So, have each character be able to alternate between lighter and heavier armor for everyone. The lighter one can show some skin or be form-fitting, the heavier one can be as bulky as the usual. Maybe even allow casual outfits in combat, so long as it stays manageable (no high heels, sorry but those are stupid in combat).

However, when going in vacuum, it's a full sealed suit for everyone please.

[Pasquale1234]

I've heard the kinetic barriers argument before. It's just that, again, I think armor (especially heavy armor) would look inconsistent with certain character's careers. I can even buy Jack fights like that. She is reckless to the point of insanity.

Maybe. I also think an argument could be made that Jack would be first in line for armor, since self-preservation was her #1 priority.

Shield emitters w/ power supplies aren't the only thing that needs to be accommodated in armor. They also have onboard computers that detect and repair rents in the suit material and dispense medi-gel as necessary, and apparently monitor the wearer's vitals. There is a conversation with EDI in the bridge in ME3 where she mentions monitoring them. Also - I always wondered where certain squadmates stashed their spare thermal clips...

That said, I liked the armor designs from ME1. They weren't nearly as bulky as they became in 2&3.

[Panda]

How is male disposability not beneficial to women? First seats on lifeboats, priority status when being pulled from burning buildings, not expected to be the one to go and check out the ominous noise downstairs, no conscription in most countries that have/still conscript. No obligation to perform alternative duties for those who opt out of military service in place of conscription. 

 

Male disposability came out of humanity's need to protect women in order to thrive as a species. As stated in the link Han posted, one man and ten women can create ten babies every year or so, one woman and ten men can create only one human life in that same period of time. We only see this (rarely) being challenged now is because there is no longer a need to survive for a great deal of the planet's population.  There are seven billion of us clogging up the Earth. This wouldn't be the case if people had a "men and children first" mentality.

 

Male disposability is beneficial to women in ways, however I don't know if I can see it as something positive to anyone. Because the thought behind it most likely is that women are weaker and in need of protection. Also it comes from very traditional gender roles and what is seen as place of woman and man. Babymaker and homekeeper versus protector of family, in bad and good both. You can see it in some games and anime's, characters being "gentlemen" and refusing to fight against female character who is capable fighter as well. Or characters in game questioning capabliness of your female PC based on gender like what happened in ME2. It's just sth I can't see as positive.

[von uber]

You only need one man to continue the species, but many women.

[Panda]

You only need one man to continue the species, but many women.

 

We don't live anymore in stone age.. I have no intrest in continuing the species nor I doubt that's reason anyone wants to have kids these days either.

[AresKeith]

We don't live anymore in stone age.. I have no intrest in continuing the species nor I doubt that's reason anyone wants to have kids these days either.

 

But I doubt anyone wants their species to die out

[Panda]

But I doubt anyone wants their species to die out

 

I doubt that either, but I don't think people think faith of their species when they decide what to do with their lives and to have or not have babies. Also even if women have babies men's role as protector of family is not same anymore.

[Exaltation]

Doesn't BioWare always avoids making such attire in their games?

Anyway there could be aliens in Andromeda that are naked,cultures are different.

[Seboist]

We don't live anymore in stone age.. I have no intrest in continuing the species nor I doubt that's reason anyone wants to have kids these days either.

 

I'm more interested in genetic immortality and continuing my genetic legacy than I am about "continuing the species" per say, and preferably with a female of good breeding stock.

 

Now, when it comes to ME:A and the setting there, after my femprotag ensures that all hostile aliens are smashed and that non-hostile aliens are turned into useful client races, she'll do her womanly duty by having some buns in the oven from a suitable male. Establishing a human foothold isn't only fought on the battlefield,but in the bedroom, ya know?

[Panda]

I'm more interested in genetic immortality and continuing my genetic legacy than I am about "continuing the species" per say, and preferably with a female of good breeding stock.

 

Now, when it comes to ME:A and the setting there, after my femprotag ensures that all hostile aliens are smashed and that non-hostile aliens are turned into useful client races, she'll do her womanly duty by having some buns in the oven from a suitable male. Establishing a human foothold isn't only fought on the battlefield,but in the bedroom, ya know?

 

 

So... you don't want alien LI's in the game?

[Seboist]

 

So... you don't want alien LI's in the game?

 

My femshep wasn't into bestiality with aliens, and won't roll with a PC that is with this. There will however be other players whom roll with protags with such a fetish and i suppose if they serve the interests of human survival and dominance, that can be .... overlooked.

[Blackout62]

I completely agree with the OP on all points except for one exception:

 

Can't have a space Western without a space brothel. Firefly knew it, Star Wars knew it in its kid friendly way, and I'll assume Cowboy Bebop knew it.

 

By this I mean in broad terms I'll allow sexuality if it's believable in the space it occupies. It wasn't in the original Mass Effect, way too many woman walking around in clothes that just made you ask how and why, but it could be saved for contextually reasonable scenarios.

[Sully13]

My femshep wasn't into bestiality with aliens, and won't roll with a PC that is with this. There will however be other players whom roll with protags with such a fetish and i suppose if they serve the interests of human survival and dominance, that can be .... overlooked.

mine hooked up with that hamster.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You can see it in some games and anime's, characters being "gentlemen" and refusing to fight against female character who is capable fighter as well.

I don't know if this would always be a negative exactly. It certainly can be, but not always. For example the martial arts manga/anime Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple has the relationship between two of the main characters start with this situation, with both sides of this being shown. I can go into more detail if anyone is curious. 

[The Twilight God]

Like seriously, I'm going to be cringing if we have characters running around in stiletto's, catsuits, spandex, etc. 
 
Not to mention exposed skin in combat and outer space
 
EDIT: I am mainly referring to the combat outfits, casual outfits are ok
EDIT 2: This has nothing to do with being politically correct, as I could care less about that bullcrap. This is about logic and practicality
EDIT 3: If you are going to bring up feminism, Anita Sarkesian, or any of the gamergate, feminism gaming war bullcrap, then please feel free to get the **** off my thread.

So how exactly do you propose they objectify women? I'm drawing a blank here.