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Bioware, please no overly sexualized characters!


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2. This fun thing that happens in your 40s called "menopause" in which women are rendered incapable of producing healthy offspring, and are thereby made "useless" until we croak.

 

Really? My sister gave birth to 2 nice looking kids in her 40's and both are heathy



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Heathen Oxman

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Really? My sister gave birth to 2 nice looking kids in her 40's and both are heathy

 

Oh, it's possible, but the older you get, the bigger the health risks to both mother and baby.

 

Additionally, women start menopause at different ages.  I'm in my early 30s, and, based on my family history, I've got about another 6-8 years before I go through the "Change of Life."



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1. Society sees you as nothing but a walking baby machine, and that your primary duty is to crap-out kids, regardless of how you feel about it.

 

A woman's duty to the household doesn't end with child-birth, in fact, it merely begins, and I can assure you, child birthing is merely a primary function. I expect multiple talents with the women I'm with and I'm far from the only man whom does.


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A woman's duty to the household doesn't end with child-birth, in fact, it merely begins, and I can assure you, child birthing is merely a primary function. I expect multiple talents with the women I'm with and I'm far from the only man whom does.

 

I like you.

 

Have a teddy bear.



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I like you.

 

Have a teddy bear.

 

Welcome to my BSN fanbase.


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#2606
Heathen Oxman

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Welcome to my BSN fanbase.

 

Don't you mean "harem?"

 

I'll totally be in your harem......



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There is another perspective, is it always a case of people preventing women from doing certain things due to that reasoning or is it a case that the women who wish to do certain tasks aren't qualified to do it or women in general are deemed unqualified for the task.

 

ie The Marine Infantry Officer course.

 

None of the women were able to pass it.  Of course not every man passes it as well but they are at least capable of doing so.

 

I didn't say that protecting women was the only reason women were not accepted into dangerous tasks. I stated why I thought it wasn't in a woman's favor to make a choice on her behalf about protecting her, that is why I felt the reason sucked when it was used.

 

As it stands women have been rejected from combat roles that they were perfectly capable of on flimsy excuses. I'm sure women have also been rejected for perfectly good reasons, so it's a case by case thing.



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Don't you mean "harem?"

 

I'll totally be in your harem......

 

I've had a couple of groupies from here, yes, of which I've been able to seal the deal with IRL, but not always though, logistics and scheduling getting in the way unfortunately.

 

And that was never in doubt.


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#2609
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Like most issues surrounding gender roles, it's a double-edged sword. Yes, on one hand, women might be offered more protection; however........

Women being "valuable" because we can get pregnant has two major drawbacks:

1. Society sees you as nothing but a walking baby machine, and that your primary duty is to crap-out kids, regardless of how you feel about it.

2. This fun thing that happens in your 40s called "menopause" in which women are rendered incapable of producing healthy offspring, and are thereby made "useless" until we croak.

Ultimately, it's bullcrap no matter how you look at it, and the idea of men as the "disposable sex" can go die in a fire.

I'm sorry, but why the hell is this an either or scenario? Why does women also suffering from the arrangement cancel out the negative effect on men? Why is this a contest?

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Why is this a contest?

Because anything is a contest if you put your mind to it. 

 

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I'm sorry, but why the hell is this an either or scenario? Why does women also suffering from the arrangement cancel out the negative effect on men? Why is this a contest?


I suspect that one of us may have misinterpreted Ultimately, it's bullcrap no matter how you look at it, and the idea of men as the "disposable sex" can go die in a fire.

I took it to mean that there is a need for society to quit treating men as disposable.
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Barriers and Shields are the primary protective measures used by the advanced races of Mass Effects time, I've mentioned this before in another thread or this one, the armor they wear for those who do wear armor isn't necessarily for protection against firearms, as the majority of them aren't protective at all against the types of firearms used in Mass Effect. 

 

If that's the case most of the people we fight wouldn't be wearing armor

 

In ME1, Light armor increased shields/barriers, Heavy Armor increased damage resistances, Medium armor I believe did a bit of both



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I suspect that one of us may have misinterpreted Ultimately, it's bullcrap no matter how you look at it, and the idea of men as the "disposable sex" can go die in a fire.

I took it to mean that there is a need for society to quit treating men as disposable.

That's possible.

I took it to mean that the idea that men have been treated as the disposable sex shouldn't be taken seriously. Which is a response I've heard from many feminists, unfortunately.
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If that's the case most of the people we fight wouldn't be wearing armor

 

In ME1, Light armor increased shields/barriers, Heavy Armor increased damage resistances, Medium armor I believe did a bit of both

 

and ME as oppose to ME2 and ME3, and likely Andromeda. In ME3 certain armors boosted certain stats, whether they be melee, biotics, shields, barrier or health, none of them if i recall out right reduced damage, but rather than argue the purpose of armors just look at the weapon descriptions on some of the more common to rare weapons found in ME3.



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That's possible.

I took it to mean that the idea that men have been treated as the disposable sex shouldn't be taken seriously. Which is a response I've heard from many feminists, unfortunately.


It never even occurred to me that the statement may have had the meaning you suggest.

I appreciate your pointing it out, though, and have gone back to edit my post that agreed with it.

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I was fine with ME1 where the most "Sexualized" you got was Tali's suit being kinda formfitting, but not really sexual.  But then 2 rolled around and we got nonsense like Jack and miss "Looks like a half melted bucktoothed barbie" Miranda (Seriously, I find her pretty ugly), and Tali's suit emphasizing the breasts and ass more.



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I suspect that one of us may have misinterpreted Ultimately, it's bullcrap no matter how you look at it, and the idea of men as the "disposable sex" can go die in a fire.

I took it to mean that there is a need for society to quit treating men as disposable.

 

Exactly.

 

Thank you.



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Heathen Oxman

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That's possible.

I took it to mean that the idea that men have been treated as the disposable sex shouldn't be taken seriously. Which is a response I've heard from many feminists, unfortunately.

 

My ultimate point is that "gender roles" are complex and affect people in multifaceted ways.

 

I'm completely serious when I say that men being treated as "disposable" needs to go away, just as the notion that women are valuable only for their "sexiness" needs to go away.  I don't think strict, mindless adherence to gender roles benefits anyone.

 

Also, I'm officially diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, so it should be taken into account that I'm straight-forward in my meaning and presentation.  :blink:


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#2619
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Bioware please give us more overly sexualized characters, specifically more men :wub:



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A question came to me right this second so i thought I'd ask it here. How many people view Mass Effect as just as form a entertainment, recreation? As oppose to something educational? You see I'm asking because if it's just entertainment, why put any bars on it? Why not let it be what they want it to be so that they (BioWare) can do their best to entertain us. If it's educational, or thought provoking material what have you gained from it that you couldn't have gotten from attending a science lecture, or a Audio Book?



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That's possible.

I took it to mean that the idea that men have been treated as the disposable sex shouldn't be taken seriously. Which is a response I've heard from many feminists, unfortunately.

 

Lol feminists. More like radfems.


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If that's the case most of the people we fight wouldn't be wearing armor

 

In ME1, Light armor increased shields/barriers, Heavy Armor increased damage resistances, Medium armor I believe did a bit of both

 

If that's the case most of the people we fight wouldn't be wearing armor

 

In ME1, Light armor increased shields/barriers, Heavy Armor increased damage resistances, Medium armor I believe did a bit of both

But if you think about it, it may of been a design choice, why bother with making faces for people we are never going to talk to when we can put then in a reskined (me1) battle suit with a helmets 



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Lol feminists. More like radfems.

Mostly, but even some feminists I consider moderate that I've met are slow to accept the idea that gender inequality isn't just about women.
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@animedreamer-

It's a videogame, so I view it as entertainment. That's not to say that it can't be educational as well, but unless it's going to be a school aid or something that should not be it's primary function. I don't think it's really Bioware's place to educate people on sexualisation, gender roles, sexual preferences or gender identity. It could  attempt to do all of those things, but without the fun element the game will crash and burn. We have seen some cautionary tales recently with indie  "games." 'Sunrise,' 'I Get This Call Every Day' and 'Depression Quest' all attempted to "educate" people and send a political and ideological message. The problem is they all forgot to be fun or even remotely game like.

 

Videogames are primarily entertainment media, so they should attempt to be fun to play. Once that's nailed down, then devs can start adding their ideological messages, political views e.t.c.


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@animedreamer-

It's a videogame, so I view it as entertainment. That's not to say that it can't be educational as well, but unless it's going to be a school aid or something that should not be it's primary function. I don't think it's really Bioware's place to educate people on sexualisation, gender roles, sexual preferences or gender identity. It could  attempt to do all of those things, but without the fun element the game will crash and burn. We have seen some cautionary tales recently with indie  "games." 'Sunrise,' 'I Get This Call Every Day' and 'Depression Quest' all attempted to "educate" people and send a political and ideological message. The problem is they all forgot to be fun or even remotely game like.

 

Videogames are primarily entertainment media, so they should attempt to be fun to play. Once that's nailed down, then devs can start adding their ideological messages, political views e.t.c.

 Nobody's suggesting Bioware "educate" us on anything. Some people would just prefer that their comrades charge into battle in some sick armor as opposed to their underwear, a skintight onesie and/or heels.


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