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And as shown by the da:i stats they released, xbox players are disproportionately more likely to play as a man than any other platform. I'm not sute what that says about them.

So in other words that stat is bollocks, as is any argument that uses it as evidence to prove a point.

I still wouldn't be surprised to see less women playing ME than DA



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Female going to war also needs the same protection as men. Sexiness is hot, but its NOT a protection, at all.
Maybe characters with strong biotics could generate stronger barriers making them not needing much physical protection.
Anyway, female characters dont need yo be sexualized, need to be MEMORABLE.
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Unfortunately Sovereign was not so polite. And just like that the magic is gone . . . :P

 

Haha. That would be tentacle porn fanfiction. Urgh, I regret even thinking about it. Almost as disturbing as the Donald Trump thread.


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And as shown by the da:i stats they released, xbox players are disproportionately more likely to play as a man than any other platform. I'm not sute what that says about them.

So in other words that stat is bollocks, as is any argument that uses it as evidence to prove a point.

 

That females are more likely to play on the superior consoles? :whistling:

 

Don't kill me I'm joking.


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The Citadel unfolded like the petals of a flower as the Normany approached slowly. Carefully, gently moving closer, aiming directly for the center where docking clamps quivered with anticipation. The ship penetrated deeper into the station's interior, passing the welcoming arms, its thrusters glowing hotly. For what seemed an eternity but only took a few minutes the Normandy danced within the Citadel until it finally came to rest in its dock, discharging its crew before it powered down.

 

... ahem.

 

I should go.

 

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And as shown by the da:i stats they released, xbox players are disproportionately more likely to play as a man than any other platform. I'm not sute what that says about them.
 

 

When did playing as a male character become a bad thing?

 

More units were sold on the Xbox360 by far than either the PS3 or the PC. Even if the breakdown were more balanced on other platforms, a solid majority would still have played Male Shep.


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This topic just got fun

 

I wish I had any talent for writing. The ideas... well... they'd probably get me suspended, but... yeah. Fun. :P

 

More units were sold on the Xbox360 by far than either the PS3 or the PC. Even if the breakdown were more balanced on other platforms, a solid majority would still have played Male Shep.

 

If they had a simple survey on their own website, then they would have gotten a better result. I never got asked, but I guess PC gets ignored anyway...


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If they had a simple survey on their own website, then they would have gotten a better result. I never got asked, but I guess PC gets ignored anyway...

 

An online survey would still be hindered by the randomness of who heard about it and bothered to fill it out, as well as how well it was written. Gathering reliable statistics is its own discipline and requires skilled people to do work.

 

At the end of the day, the only data we have on hand says that a significant number more people made male Shepards than female, and that's okay. No doubt more reliable stats could be made but I doubt they'd change the gist of things much.



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More units were sold on the Xbox360 by far than either the PS3 or the PC. 

That's interesting. I've never been able to find sales numbers, do you have a link?



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And as shown by the da:i stats they released, xbox players are disproportionately more likely to play as a man than any other platform. I'm not sute what that says about them.

So in other words that stat is bollocks, as is any argument that uses it as evidence to prove a point.

 

I'd guess that XBOX has more male gamers when compared to PC and PS3, because of games it has. My impression is that XBOX has more shooters when PS4 more RPG's and japanese games. And PC has mods that many female player seem to like. Well that's just my guess why the situation might be so on XBOX.



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That's interesting. I've never been able to find sales numbers, do you have a link?

 

vgchartz

 

According to that at least Mass Effect 3 sold 2.99 million units on the Xbox, 1.38 million on the PS3, 940,000 on the PC, and 230,000 in the WiiU. If accurate, total sales for all other platforms combined (excluding the Xbox) would be 2.5 million, or 2.6 if you round up.



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An online survey would still be hindered by the randomness of who heard about it and bothered to fill it out, as well as how well it was written. Gathering reliable statistics is its own discipline and requires skilled people to do work.

 

At the end of the day, the only data we have on hand says that a significant number more people made male Shepards than female, and that's okay. No doubt more reliable stats could be made but I doubt they'd change the gist of things much.

 

Statistically the data is insufficient. That's the problem. They took data from one of three platforms, that's not enough to extrapolate.

 

A survey on the website might be less reliable overall but at least it would be representative.



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That's interesting. I've never been able to find sales numbers, do you have a link?

 

73% of Mass Effect 3's first week sales (retail) were on Xbox 360 (see this article for example). Considering that Mass Effect was an Xbox exclusive for a while, it makes sense. 



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Statistically the data is insufficient. That's the problem. They took data from one of three platforms, that's not enough to extrapolate.

 

I know, and to add it's not even representative of Xbox users because it requires an internet connection (and feedback enabled if that's a choice on consoles).

 

 

A survey on the website might be less reliable overall but at least it would be representative.

 

Representative of people who happen to hang around the side enough to be aware of and fill out BioWare surveys, maybe.



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vgchartz

 

According to that at least Mass Effect 3 sold 2.99 million units on the Xbox, 1.38 million on the PS3, 940,000 on the PC, and 230,000 in the WiiU. If accurate, total sales for all other platforms combined (excluding the Xbox) would be 2.5 million, or 2.6 if you round up.

 

Do those PC figures include digital sales? Because the vast majority of sales figures I've seen for other games in recent years only seem to take into account physical sales. And given that digital sales usually significantly outweigh physical ones for PC games (particularly in the long term when sales and the like are taken into account), it really skews the figures.


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#2816
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Didn't ME3 have an online activation? BioWare should have the exact number of games sold on PC. Not sure about consoles.



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Didn't ME3 have an online activation? BioWare should have the exact number of games sold on PC. Not sure about consoles.

 

I suspect they do know, but publishers, particularly large ones, often don't release that kind of data. Sales charts are mainly derived from retailer information.



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Do those PC figures include digital sales? Because the vast majority of sales figures I've seen for other games in recent years only seem to take into account physical sales. And given that digital sales usually significantly outweigh physical ones for PC games (particularly in the long term when sales and the like are taken into account), it really skews the figures.

 

I don't think vgchartz tracks digital sales, and they're not particularly known for their accuracy to begin with. 


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Ah, statistics - those wonderful numbers that carry a 14.32345% chance of accurately representing what you think they do.

The 18% figure under discussion might be more accurately called "the % of players who were logged in and chose to share statistics that chose a male character on the xbox360 within the first week after the game released" - or something along those lines.

Personally, I don't ever login when gaming unless I specifically want to access some online component of a game. And I decline any statistics sharing when given the choice. I've often wondered how long devs continue to collect data about their games, and how much weight they are given in future design philosophies.

Of the ME youtubes I've watched, I would guess that well over half of them feature a female Shepard. But - I dunno.
 

I don't think vgchartz tracks digital sales, and they're not particularly known for their accuracy to begin with.


Sans any kind of insider information, we're all really just guessing about how vgchartz acquires and processes its data.

Bear in mind, digital sales are not restricted to PC. I've purchased several of the games I own - including the ME trilogy - through PSN. As for consoles, the number of people who have played a game on console =/= the number of copies sold, since used copies are frequently traded. Also, there's this thing called Playstation Plus, which allows subscribers to play games they've not purchased - I'd expect Xbox has a similar service.

(Not at you specifically)

I've seen some interesting discussions about how vgchartz accumulates data, and how accurate it might be. It stands to reason that they adjust actual retail information reported to reflect digital sales, even if they're only using estimates. I've seen numbers floating around about digital sales relative to hardcopies, and I believe those figures come from the publishers themselves - if not directly, then from financial analysts sifting through their published financials.

I guess I generally tend to view vgchartz as reasonable estimates, if not entirely 100% accurate.
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Of the ME youtubes I've watched, I would guess that well over half of them feature a female Shepard. But - I dunno.
 
 

 

Youtube videos are primarily produced by PC Gamers.  Even if the vgchartz sales figures aren't entirely accurate, PC gamers still account for a smaller portion of the fanbase than console gamers. That's not just true for the Mass Effect series, but across the whole gaming industry in general. 

 

The most accurate figure we have for the ratio of Male Shep players to Fem Shep players are the ones released by Bioware. While those figures may have only been for one platform, I can't imagine they'd release them if they were radically different than what played out with users on other platforms. 


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I still wouldn't be surprised to see less women playing ME than DA

 

Right, when it comes to down it, Mass Effect is a third person shooter franchise, which is a male oriented genre. Not only did most people play as male Shepard, but as soldier as well, which further proves that notion.

 

It's part of the reason why I argue in favor of the notion that they shouldn't have ever bothered with a female option to begin with. 



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Right, when it comes to down it, Mass Effect is a third person shooter franchise, which is a male oriented genre. Not only did most people play as male Shepard, but as soldier as well, which further proves that notion.

It's part of the reason why I argue in favor of the notion that they shouldn't have ever bothered with a female option to begin with.

The number of FemShep players is a clear minority, but not exactly an insignificant one. If they removed all the content that wasn't played by the majority of players (for example Kaidan, the renegade path, insanity difficulty or the option to sabotage the genophage cure) they might as well stick to making a completely linear game.
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Youtube videos are primarily produced by PC Gamers.  Even if the vgchartz sales figures aren't entirely accurate, PC gamers still account for a smaller portion of the fanbase than console gamers. That's not just true for the Mass Effect series, but across the whole gaming industry in general. 
 
The most accurate figure we have for the ratio of Male Shep players to Fem Shep players are the ones released by Bioware. While those figures may have only been for one platform, I can't imagine they'd release them if they were radically different than what played out with users on other platforms.


I dunno. If stats were released only for one platform, I don't think I could consider them remotely reliable.
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Right, when it comes to down it, Mass Effect is a third person shooter franchise, which is a male oriented genre. Not only did most people play as male Shepard, but as soldier as well, which further proves that notion.

It's part of the reason why I argue in favor of the notion that they shouldn't have ever bothered with a female option to begin with.

Simply being a minority percentage doesn't necessarily make for the best support of just removing a feature. You could probably find tons of stuff in the game that few people pick to which this logic would just as well apply. No doubt BioWare would likely dump anything that they've determined to be a drain for little benefit, like big expansions like DA:Awakening. Being shy of a fifth in this case is no small number, and there's the consideration for the margin of error for offline accounts and the time between now and that data's release, which likely leads to a larger number.
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vgchartz

 

According to that at least Mass Effect 3 sold 2.99 million units on the Xbox, 1.38 million on the PS3, 940,000 on the PC, and 230,000 in the WiiU. If accurate, total sales for all other platforms combined (excluding the Xbox) would be 2.5 million, or 2.6 if you round up.

Looking at the chart it only shows for 2012. I wonder how many more copies have been sold since? I would also be curious how many people bought a used copy of ME3 instead of a new copy of ME3?