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[Rhaenyss]

I always do Miranda's loyalty mission as soon as possible, just so I can give her that black cat suit. It's sexy, but not over the top ridiculous. The heels are still there, but let's just say the future has found a way around deformed feet. Maybe she has robotic endoskeleton there, lol. But she still needs a proper helmet, goddamit.

[Panda]

I actually like Miranda's outfit, but I think it fits more to office work and maybe fighting in city/space stations than fighting outside in radiation against heavily weaponed enemies next to Shepard who is armed from head to toe. The buttshots are simply ridiculous and should have been restricted in flirting/romance situations rather than serious moments.

[Demonique]

This.

 

It depends on the setting too. A character going into battle or exploring an uncharted world that is normally hostile to life, shouldn't be wearing heels or an outfit that exposes skin. Combat armor / exosuit with helmet, please.

 

But if that same character is hanging out off duty in Andromeda's version of Purgatory, Eternity, or Afterlife? There the battle armor would be weird, and that same character would not be out of place wearing something sexy.

 

On that note, I hope the game follows in the footsteps of ME3 and has characters wear different clothing while off duty.

 

If I remember correctly Kaidan and Man Bear Pig were the only squaddies in ME3 who wore different clothing while off duty, everyone else can be sent into battle in their onboard clothing.

 

Ashley and Liara - can be sent into battle in their onboard outfit

Javik and Garrus - wear their default armour onboard

Tali - pretty sure she can be sent into battle in her onboard suit

Edi - doesn't wear anything on the ship, can be sent into combat the same way.

 

The only time Garrus doesn't wear armour is during his romance scene where he wears the Turian pyjamas.

 

 

I always do Miranda's loyalty mission as soon as possible, just so I can give her that black cat suit. It's sexy, but not over the top ridiculous. The heels are still there, but let's just say the future has found a way around deformed feet. Maybe she has robotic endoskeleton there, lol. But she still needs a proper helmet, goddamit.

 

The armour you can get for Miranda in one of the ME2 appearance packs looks the best IMO. It's still form fitting but it's actual armour instead of a catsuit. (Why BW didn't give her this in ME3 instead of having her be on the run from Cerberus in her Cerberus uniform is beyond me)

[DaemionMoadrin]

It's funny that you say that about Japan, I had a friend that worked there for some time, and she said the culture is the complete opposite of what they show to the West (especially in entertainment such as anime and such) & she found it fascinating. She said they are much more sexually repressed & traditional than here in the West.

 

Correct.

 

If you as a serious office worker would gush about your videogames, anime or manga, then people would avoid you. It's not accepted by society, liking those things marks you as weird.

 

About the sexually repressed part... there's a trend to not have sex anymore. http://www.theguardi...pped-having-sex

[Hazegurl]

I'm not necessary asking them to cater me in particular. I'm giving criticism towards things I love most over things that I dislike most about them.

 

I don't think it's western taste in particular, it's just lack of same kind of criticism and different hmm, atmosphere?

 

I have given up so many things and forced myself to ignore so many things in order to have at least something to enjoy that it is problem to me. There simply is lack of things  that interest me and don't have things I find annoying or disturbing. Sometimes you do find those gems, but finding them is like swimming through trash and trying to find that gem somewhere there. It's like that with games, comics and anime, but more in anime than other medias and reason for that is that criticism has helped both comics and games here in West. I think same criticism would likely help Japan to make their products better, but like I have said earlier I don't have much hope that it will happen.

 

I agree to a certain extent. I consider about a good chunk of anime to be garbage that just doesn't live up to classics like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, et al so I just stopped watching anime like I used to.  Every six months or so I look to see what's out and every once in a while I find a good one. The way I see it, I don't think Japanese audiences criticize the same things because they just don't have a problem with it and the product is considered good to them. They have boobie and a$$ mousepads available at shops and lolicon mags on display at street vendors. What we consider acceptable and what they do is just different and that difference will be reflected in their work.  I just think a lot of this critique is coming across as wagging your finger at the "poor ill informed Japanese people who need to be educated on how to make good products." If that's not your intent, I apologize.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I agree to a certain extent. I consider about a good chunk of anime to be garbage that just doesn't live up to classics like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, et al so I just stopped watching anime like I used to.  Every six months or so I look to see what's out and every once in a while I find a good one. The way I see it, I don't think Japanese audiences criticize the same things because they just don't have a problem with it and the product is considered good to them. They have boobie and a$$ mousepads available at shops and lolicon mags on display at street vendors. What we consider acceptable and what they do is just different and that difference will be reflected in their work.  I just think a lot of this critique is coming across as wagging your finger at the "poor ill informed Japanese people who need to be educated on how to make good products." If that's not your intent, I apologize.

 

That's all correct and I agree... but you should look into which demographic in Japan buys those mouse pads and consumes the manga and anime that are released every month. They are a minority.

[SmilesJA]

It's funny that you say that about Japan, I had a friend that worked there for some time, and she said the culture is the complete opposite of what they show to the West (especially in entertainment such as anime and such) & she found it fascinating. She said they are much more sexually repressed & traditional than here in the West.

 

Yeah I always found that Ironic about the Japanese.

 

How is Miranda or Samara's outfits "realistic"

 

When did he say that Miranda's and Samara's outfits are realistic? I'm assuming he means that the graphics engine can produced more advanced versions of sexualization.

[Han Shot First]

It's funny that you say that about Japan, I had a friend that worked there for some time, and she said the culture is the complete opposite of what they show to the West (especially in entertainment such as anime and such) & she found it fascinating. She said they are much more sexually repressed & traditional than here in the West.

 

That isn't entirely true.

 

You can see pornography for example being sold openly in some convenience stores, something you'd never see in some places in the West. There are also love hotels literally everywhere. 

[Panda]

I agree to a certain extent. I consider about a good chunk of anime to be garbage that just doesn't live up to classics like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, et al so I just stopped watching anime like I used to.  Every six months or so I look to see what's out and every once in a while I find a good one. The way I see it, I don't think Japanese audiences criticize the same things because they just don't have a problem with it and the product is considered good to them. They have boobie and a$$ mousepads available at shops and lolicon mags on display at street vendors. What we consider acceptable and what they do is just different and that difference will be reflected in their work.  I just think a lot of this critique is coming across as wagging your finger at the "poor ill informed Japanese people who need to be educated on how to make good products." If that's not your intent, I apologize.

 

I think fanservice stuff always sells, but I simply think it should be toned down from my own point of view. I have actually seen ton of those boob and butt mousepads while trying to find some anime mousepads from ebay, it's such a pain in the ass ^^; On the topic though, I'm not sure actually what kind of criticism anime and manga has in Japan, since at least feminism is bit different there than in West, but I mostly know about feminism in Japan related to work and studying ^^; In general it's bit harder to find what japanese themselves think since they often use japanese sites instead of international one's.

 

Socially acceptable is bit tricky, since it does change in time and place, but has also been affected by globalization and I think it has greated this atmosphere at least in the West in terms of what is okay and what is not. In general I don't think Japan as place should be free from criticism just based on different culture and society. It's bit like that differences are good to recognize, but in other hand this "otherness" isn't really as vast as it's often made to be.

[CuriousArtemis]

I have actually seen ton of those boob and butt mousepads while trying to find some anime mousepads from ebay, it's such a pain in the ass ^^; 

 

Ba-dum-tish!

[CuriousArtemis]

I agree to a certain extent. I consider about a good chunk of anime to be garbage that just doesn't live up to classics like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, et al so I just stopped watching anime like I used to.  Every six months or so I look to see what's out and every once in a while I find a good one. The way I see it, I don't think Japanese audiences criticize the same things because they just don't have a problem with it and the product is considered good to them. 

 

I can't really respond to that last bit because I'm no expert on Japanese society but I'd wary of making sweeping statements about an entire culture...

 

But as to anime, it's kind of always been like that? I think perhaps we were just less discriminating in our youth xDD Besides, whatever the medium, some fans will always have nostalgia and say "Anime/comics/games/etc in the past were so much better..."

 

Plus anime is just such a massive medium comprised of so many different genres that I don't think you could glance every six months and see if anything good is airing... even in the West we get limited access to what airs, too. And I've never watched a "boobie-filled" anime in all the 15 or so years I've been a fan, and I've seen a ton of anime....

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is nothing to gain by covering half of the screen with Kallen's butt (Code Geass) everytime she fights

This isn't an accurate example. While Code Geass certainly has fanservice, it does not to the extent you are talking about. Miranda gets more buttshots than Kallen does. And at least their fanservice is equally spread to both genders.
 

Plus anime is just such a massive medium comprised of so many different genres that I don't think you could glance every six months and see if anything good is airing... even in the West we get limited access to what airs, too. And I've never watched a "boobie-filled" anime in all the 15 or so years I've been a fan, and I've seen a ton of anime....

Yep. There are as many or even more anime that doesn't have fanservice as the ones that are filled with it, including many of the most famous ones like for example the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise, the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise, the Naruto franchise, etc.

[The Hierophant]

I watched Queen's Blade. Feels no shame.

[SnakeCode]

How is Miranda or Samara's outfits "realistic"

 

You know, as graphics and game engines have improved, things tend to look more "real."

[SolNebula]

Ehhh I'm fine with some booty. I'm no puritan and love watching a beautiful body as anyone else. The important thing is that the character personality and attitude feels coherent with the way she/he looks and believable with the situation.

[Panda]

This isn't an accurate example. While Code Geass certainly has fanservice, it does not to the extent you are talking about. Miranda gets more buttshots than Kallen does. And at least their fanservice is equally spread to both genders.
 

Yep. There are as many or even more anime that doesn't have fanservice as the ones that are filled with it, including many of the most famous ones like for example the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise, the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise, the Naruto franchise, etc.

 

I was exaggerating, but just little. I don't really think Miranda gets more than Kallen and I don't think the fanservice is equal for both genders. I mean Kallen's butt is always soon while she's fighting, she has multiple scenes where she's completely naked, one scene where she's in playboy-bunny costume, there is couple somewhat sexualised bondage moments with her.. Then there is fanservice episodes about school festivals where tons of female cast is wearing swimsuit or well more revealing than bikinis, especially Villetta Nu who is like other fanservice queen of the Code Geass alongside with Kallen.

 

I do think that Suzaku's butt has been on screen couple of times so admit that.. but compared to Kallen it's quite much nothing. If you remember more fanservice scenes with male characters I'd be interested to know though.

 

I watched Queen's Blade. Feels no shame.

 

It does have nice soundtrack.

[Iakus]

You know, as graphics and game engines have improved, things tend to look more "real."

Sorry, painted-on outfits don't look "real" to me.

 

Unless they're supposed to be pain, I guess

[Hanako Ikezawa]

*snip*

I'll tell you in a PM since we are getting offtopic and I don't want to continue that, especialy now that the topic seems to have shifted back to Mass Effect.

[Hazegurl]

 In general I don't think Japan as place should be free from criticism just based on different culture and society. It's bit like that differences are good to recognize, but in other hand this "otherness" isn't really as vast as it's often made to be.

 

I agree, I don't think any country is should free of criticism.  But the waters can be a bit muddy because it can quickly turn into a case of "right" vs "wrong" without having a full picture of what that culture is like and how the people feel being a part of it.  It's like Western feminists who demand that Muslim women ditch the hijab without fully understanding what the garment means to them. 

 

 

But as to anime, it's kind of always been like that? I think perhaps we were just less discriminating in our youth xDD Besides, whatever the medium, some fans will always have nostalgia and say "Anime/comics/games/etc in the past were so much better..."

 

Plus anime is just such a massive medium comprised of so many different genres that I don't think you could glance every six months and see if anything good is airing... even in the West we get limited access to what airs, too. And I've never watched a "boobie-filled" anime in all the 15 or so years I've been a fan, and I've seen a ton of anime....

I agree, it could be nostalgia but I just don't like most of the animes out lately.  It's almost like the writers don't even try anymore. They just point to the first trope and go for it.  Although I have seen some exceptions.  It's actually not that hard to ditch anime for a half of year or so. I just stop watching, then return after a few months and look through the genres I like best to see if there's anything that might catch my eye. It preserves my sanity. lol! I don't do it to avoid boobie filled anime.  Actually some of my favorites have fan service (Tenjou Tenge), I just hate that most seem to fall back on tropes  and character types rather than take the time to develop the characters and story.
 

 

You know, as graphics and game engines have improved, things tend to look more "real."

 

Right, I bet Miranda would look totally different if rendered in the new engines now. 

[SmilesJA]

I agree, I don't think any country is should free of criticism.  But the waters can be a bit muddy because it can quickly turn into a case of "right" vs "wrong" without having a full picture of what that culture is like and how the people feel being a part of it.  It's like Western feminists who demand that Muslim women ditch the hijab without fully understanding what the garment means to them. 

 

 

 

Agreed, no country should be exempt from criticism, however sometimes some critics tend to come off as ignorant and close minded to other people's cultures simply because it offends them.

[Panda]

I agree, I don't think any country is should free of criticism.  But the waters can be a bit muddy because it can quickly turn into a case of "right" vs "wrong" without having a full picture of what that culture is like and how the people feel being a part of it.  It's like Western feminists who demand that Muslim women ditch the hijab without fully understanding what the garment means to them. 

 

If this is for me, well it's not really like I do not know anything about Japan and it's society and culture nor anime, however full picture of culture can be pretty hard to grasp and comprehend in manner that is not influenced too much by your own cultural context and misguided by things like "otherness". Also your own judgement will be always more and less clouded with your own context, I think it's okay though, gives different perspectives. But, on general it'd be nice to get more viewpoint on how Japanese themselves see their popular culture and fanservice associated with it.

[Puddi III]

I agree to a certain extent. I consider about a good chunk of anime to be garbage that just doesn't live up to classics like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, et al so I just stopped watching anime like I used to.  Every six months or so I look to see what's out and every once in a while I find a good one. The way I see it, I don't think Japanese audiences criticize the same things because they just don't have a problem with it and the product is considered good to them. They have boobie and a$$ mousepads available at shops and lolicon mags on display at street vendors. What we consider acceptable and what they do is just different and that difference will be reflected in their work.  I just think a lot of this critique is coming across as wagging your finger at the "poor ill informed Japanese people who need to be educated on how to make good products." If that's not your intent, I apologize.

 

Otaku audiences don't have a problem with it.

 

Very different from Japanese audiences in general.

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

Since we were talking about MGSV...

[Rekkampum]

Reading this thread gave me some fond - and not so fond -memories of the old BSN.

[spinachdiaper]

What's next removing all the guns and replacing them with walkie talkies.