That really depends on what you mean by 'dignity.'
If by dignity you mean men and women should have equal screentime or equal acceptance of provocative sexuality, then no, I would say it isn't about that at all.
Because those things shouldn't be equal.
Right, men are the bread and butter of ME, so their likes should be of the highest priority. ME is at the end of day, just a TPS.
That really depends on what you mean by 'dignity.'
If by dignity you mean men and women should have equal screentime or equal acceptance of provocative sexuality, then no, I would say it isn't about that at all.
Because those things shouldn't be equal.
When I laugh at the character in a situation I'm not supposed to laugh, it means that character has lost something for me. Like when you're supposed to take Miranda serious in a serious situation, yet you (the player) stare at her butt crack like a f*ucking creep.
The rest of the comment I don't get, are you saying that it's not possible for men and women to have exactly the same amount of screentime/etc? Because yes, it's impossible to construct a believable and organic story if you start cutting everything in half.
Or are you saying something else?
I'm saying that if you're upset about women in skimpy clothing or being sexually provocative in fiction (which I think is sometimes indeed a problem and sometimes perfectly legitimate), trying to fix it by adding equal numbers of men in skimpy clothing or whatever would be a grave mistake.
I'm saying that if you're upset about women in skimpy clothing or being sexually provocative in fiction (which I think is sometimes indeed a problem and sometimes perfectly legitimate), trying to fix it by adding equal numbers of men in skimpy clothing or whatever would be a grave mistake.
You're right. I actually think there's enough eye candy in MEU for ladies as it is, Bioware was always great for women too. It's the way the characters are presented that bothers me more. I said it numerous times, I am not bothered by Miranda wearing sexy outfit, because it fits her character. I am bothered by the forced perspective that the game pushes on me, specifically in times when I don't want it. I always liked Miranda and I make a point of taking her with me as much as possible, but they really piled on her a lot of little things that should've been spread around. (Also, would it kill them to make her buttcrack line a bit more physically possible? It wouldn't take away any of the sexiness, but it would prevent a lot of laughs and several eyerolls.)
I prefer it when a woman in fiction owns up to her sexuality herself, and not from the perspective of a leering player. Example -- Quiet from MGSV, she rolls on the floor, in the rain, supposedly to drink water, but she does it sexily. If she did that without the comically erotic motions, she would be 10x more sexy to me.
There are several things I didn't like in male characters, too, like Jacob and the Femshep's rapey approach to him. It comes off as creepy coming from his boss (that also spies on him doing push-ups), especially since his 'calibrations' sentence goes something like "I'm not big on forcing these kind of talks." So yeah, all I'm asking is to think a bit on how you want something to come across & how it actually looks to the player.
I'm saying that if you're upset about women in skimpy clothing or being sexually provocative in fiction (which I think is sometimes indeed a problem and sometimes perfectly legitimate), trying to fix it by adding equal numbers of men in skimpy clothing or whatever would be a grave mistake.
Why and what would be better fix?
I always have to wonder what people who say this actually think does qualify as 'credible science?'
I don't know, I don't even care.
But let's not make ME1 what it isn't.
Why and what would be better fix?
The first step would be to identify when and why it's actually a problem.
If your idea of a problem is any existence of significant difference between men and women in society...well that would just be very silly, and not something to be fixed in the first place.
I'm saying that if you're upset about women in skimpy clothing or being sexually provocative in fiction (which I think is sometimes indeed a problem and sometimes perfectly legitimate), trying to fix it by adding equal numbers of men in skimpy clothing or whatever would be a grave mistake.
Upset? No, Miranda's got a nice butt.
Grave mistake? lol.
Personally I think it would give the men a lot more characterization and heroism.
I don't know I think people have a lot of hangups about overt displays of sexuality in a mature rated game.
Yet I don't see people on here asking for less gore.
So, I find the priority of importance interesting; it's okay to blow people's heads off, but don't be too sexual...
So, I find the priority of importance interesting; it's okay to blow people's heads off, but don't be too sexual...
With the men. Because you know, that would be a grave mistake.
There are several things I didn't like in male characters, too, like Jacob and the Femshep's rapey approach to him. It comes off as creepy coming from his boss (that also spies on him doing push-ups), especially since his 'calibrations' sentence goes something like "I'm not big on forcing these kind of talks." So yeah, all I'm asking is to think a bit on how you want something to come across & how it actually looks to the player.
Although I couldn't stand FemShep's interactions with Jacob I wouldn't want them removed. Human relationships are full of awkward moments and a bit of cheese. If the writers only focused on making every interaction perfect then it wouldn't be realistic imo. I'd rather the characters remain in character and interact with others based on their own development et al than for the writers to keep looking for approval from outside the characters for every interaction they have. Quiet's rain scene may have been cheesy as heck but it fits her character. Just like IB's cheesy "Ride the Bull" nonsense suited him.
The first step would be to identify when and why it's actually a problem.
If your idea of a problem is any existence of significant difference between men and women in society...well that would just be very silly, and not something to be fixed in the first place.
When: When it happens.
Why: Sexism, gender inequality, unhappy players, players who feel they are treated unfairly, skewed view of women, sexual objectification etc. etc.
Having male characters in skimpy clothing as well would take sexism and gender inequality away. Some players would likely be unhappy, those who need to feel to defend gender inequality and their "escapism" and so on, but numbers would be smalller.
Alternative fix would be no skimpy clothing for anyone, which is used with some games.
I don't know I think people have a lot of hangups about overt displays of sexuality in a mature rated game.
Yet I don't see people on here asking for less gore.
So, I find the priority of importance interesting; it's okay to blow people's heads off, but don't be too sexual...
There have been quite a few people who have asked for things like gore toggles or toned down gore.
That's the thing though, nothing is permeatiing into videogames. Sexualised characters have always and (unfortunately for you lot) will always exist in gaming.The only difference being that the technology is now vastly superior, meaning that the sexualisation is now more realistic. It's all for one simple reason too, sex sells, and that's never going to change.
When: When it happens.
Why: Sexism, gender inequality, unhappy players, players who feel they are treated unfairly, skewed view of women, sexual objectification etc. etc.
Having male characters in skimpy clothing as well would take sexism and gender inequality away. Some players would likely be unhappy, those who need to feel to defend gender inequality and their "escapism" and so on, but numbers would be smalller.
Alternative fix would be no skimpy clothing for anyone, which is used with some games.
If your idea of a problem is any existence of significant difference between men and women in society...well that would just be very silly, and not something to be fixed in the first place.
Sexism and gender inequality are in your opinion something that should exist and not be fixed then?
To me there is no doubt that problem exist and there is ways to correct the problem so that's what I'm hoping will happen and also going towards.
You seem to having a great deal of difficulty with the terms 'differences between genders' and 'inequalities between genders.' I keep saying the word 'differences,' and you keep turning it into 'inequalities' and 'sexism.'
Why don't you give me a plain answer to this? You think that any significant difference - any difference - is, automatically, 'inequality.' Or 'sexism.'?
Is that right?
When: When it happens.
Why: Sexism, gender inequality, unhappy players, players who feel they are treated unfairly, skewed view of women, sexual objectification etc. etc.
Having male characters in skimpy clothing as well would take sexism and gender inequality away. Some players would likely be unhappy, those who need to feel to defend gender inequality and their "escapism" and so on, but numbers would be smalller.
If you truly believe this way than I feel very sorry for you and I can tell you the following: if you were genuinly upset by gender differences in Mass Effect to the point of labelling it sexism than you're going to have very hard time in games and society.
When: When it happens.
Why: Sexism, gender inequality, unhappy players, players who feel they are treated unfairly, skewed view of women, sexual objectification etc. etc.
Having male characters in skimpy clothing as well would take sexism and gender inequality away. Some players would likely be unhappy, those who need to feel to defend gender inequality and their "escapism" and so on, but numbers would be smalller.
Alternative fix would be no skimpy clothing for anyone, which is used with some games.
Honestly, in Mass Effect? This is my preference.
I have nothing against ridiculous outfits or fan service, although I think it can get stupid, and it's obviously more fun when it's equal opportunity, but in this case it's just at odds with the tone set in ME1, which is my touchstone for the series. Jack's character isn't harmed or inhibited by the black tank top she gets when you complete her loyalty mission. Samara, as a damn warrior would logically benefit from wearing some actual armor. EDI's model had a bit too much superfluous anatomical detail (robot, fer chissake), unless their intent was to make our eyes roll out of our skulls and onto the floor. Miranda - isn't terrible, honestly, the camera was more the culprit there, and her black outfit with the armor plating made her look like a BAMF. Etc and so forth.
I have to say though, some of you guys here have chosen a funny hill to die on.
I don't think Mass Effect objectify Men or Women. in sense we perceive it these Men and women. are genetically modified to perfection they live longer lives 150 years. Men have more muscle Mass and are taller. Women are more athletic with with more pronounced features.
I don't think Mass Effect objectify Men or Women. in sense we perceive it these Men and women. are genetically modified to perfection they live longer lives 150 years. Men have more muscle Mass and are taller. Women are more athletic with with more pronounced features.
The actual term for this phenomenon is "Bioware body."
It's why we see so many fit and stacked senior citizens all over the galaxy and in Thedas.
The actual term for this phenomenon is "Bioware body."
It's why we see so many fit and stacked senior citizens all over the galaxy and in Thedas.
Okay then..lol
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. (Also, would it kill them to make her buttcrack line a bit more physically possible? It wouldn't take away any of the sexiness, but it would prevent a lot of laughs and several eyerolls.)
I prefer it when a woman in fiction owns up to her sexuality herself, and not from the perspective of a leering player. Example -- Quiet from MGSV, she rolls on the floor, in the rain, supposedly to drink water, but she does it sexily. If she did that without the comically erotic motions, she would be 10x more sexy to me.
There are several things I didn't like in male characters, too, like Jacob and the Femshep's rapey approach to him.
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Hm.. that's an interesting perspective on it.
From something Gaider said about developing a game. Summarizing here: "writers and artists come together and discuss a scene. Sometimes the artists influence the writers...". This means, to me, that cinematics are thoroughly discussed before approved for production.
Question: Why, then, would Bio develop such a "butt crack scene" or your perceived rapey approach?
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Hm.. that's an interesting perspective on it.
From something Gaider said about developing a game. Summarizing here: "writers and artists come together and discuss a scene. Sometimes the artists influence the writers...". This means, to me, that cinematics are thoroughly discussed before approved for production.
Question: Why, then, would Bio develop such a "butt crack scene" or your perceived rapey approach?
Well, to me, the buttcrack is a design failure. Whoever designed the outfit didn't really think about how tight the pants should be. For example, Black Widow has a super sexy tight outfit, but there's no fabric up her ass, it's just nice and tight and hugs her outline. (can't believe I typed this out, but for science, right)
The "butt crack scene" & the rapey approach are in my opinion oversights, they didn't really think to put it in context. Both Miranda and Jacob were supposed to be sexy LI-s for their respective gender, that's why Femshep is flirty with Jacob & Miranda has those sexy camera shots. What they didn't care to do was adjust the timing on those scenes. For example, I don't want my first sentence to Jacob be "I'm more interested in just *talking* for a bit." with that stupid smirk and sultry voice. It makes sense only if you romance him, otherwise it's just inappropriate. I couldn't stand talking to him at all because of that tone. The same thing with Miranda, they should've thought about the scene placement, and not go "ooohh, look, Miranda, here goes the butt shot" while she's crying about her sister. It's creepy and unnecessary. If you're so horny that you can't stand the thought of two or three pixelated butt scenes being removed or placed into some other conversation, then there's no point in discussing this further.
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