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HE did, actually.  The camera was not quite as blatant about showing it off, though.  But yeah, I've called Bioware on that in the past as well.

 

Yeah. It's not as blatant as Miranda, but Jacob also wears a skintight outfit, and the camera does linger on his posterior more than once.



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Yes there is, men are all about the visual and women crave the attention and validation they get from it.

 

Lol, do you people seriously believe that? Have you ever been outside your house?

 

I can assure you women love "the visual" just as much, and I've seen too many guys, irl and online, that love showing off to believe that's an inherent gender difference.



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Lol, do you people seriously believe that? Have you ever been outside your house?

 

I can assure you women love "the visual" just as much, and I've seen too many guys, irl and online, that love showing off to believe that's an inherent gender difference.

Only partially true. Women do like the visual, i.e. genetic fitness as a short term mating strategy but they also require male resource provision for pregnancy and reproduction that is not necessarily assumed from mere genetic fitness, which is why long term resource provision has greater value in raising offspring. If a woman can optimise genetic fitness with one man however, and cuckold another for resources, this would be the best outcome possible for her reproductive purposes. Resource provision of course, can largely be translated as status since more often than not status carries with it resources. Men, not having the burden of pregnancy, on the other hand, are almost entirely concerned with genetic fitness. Men are by definition more visual than women in this regard with youth and beauty being the primary attributes that interest men. Men and women evolved differently with different reproductive concerns and thus different interests when it comes to mating and reproduction.


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Source on what exactly...

 

Something like this? http://reports.wefor...ap-report-2014/

 

In my country the study about gender inequality is focused a lot on salary gap and mothers situation in work, though education inquality of genders has been in talks lately as well and goverment is thinking of ways to tackle that issue... 

What gender gap? I work at plastic moulding company quality controller. And Our quality department boss female earn more than me per hour, wow so much sexism  :lol: She deserve earn more her job have more responsibility's. Everyone have same opportunity's.  All my quality department collogues are 6 female and I am only man we earn exactly the same per hour, except 1 but it's special case . So according feminist we should fire 3 female and hire 3 man this is bs. If you think wage gap exist than I have nothing else to say for you.


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What gender gap? I work at plastic moulding company quality controller. And Our quality department boss female earn more than me per hour, wow so much sexism  :lol: She deserve earn more her job have more responsibility's. Everyone have same opportunity's.  All my quality department collogues are 6 female and I am only man we earn exactly the same per hour, except 1 but it's special case . So according feminist we should fire 3 female and hire 3 man this is bs. If you think wage gap exist than I have nothing else to say for you.

 

So these professional researches lie with their graphs and numbers?



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You mean, you don't want BioWare to create a genetically engineered woman with a bubble butt and a nice smile?! Or a half naked tattooed chick with an attitude?

 

Straight out Mass Effect, overly sexualized ladies with attitudes!



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So these professional researches lie with their graphs and numbers?



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I didn't like how Jack was half-naked with a thin leather strap covering just her breasts.  So happy and glad they've cleaned her up in ME3

I did, because the entire point of that outfit was to show off her tattoos which represents her character. In some of her earlier concept depictions she didn't have the strap. As you can see here:
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I get that in space, yeah you need a space suit. But if we are talking about casual attire I want the character to be true to themselves. If the character has a highly sexualized personality, say like Jack, then go for attire that fits that.
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So these professional researches lie with their graphs and numbers?

Considering the fact that a bunch of feminists killed a woman's dog because she dared to conduct research which proved that the majority of women seeking aid at her abuse shelters were also abusers within the relationship. Then I would say that yes, most of their "research" should be checked and double checked outside of their circles before believed. 

 

 

Sarah Silverman caught lying about getting paid less than a man.  Of course this is one person but it shows proof that not every woman who claims to be getting paid less is telling the truth.

http://www.washingto...gap-lie-after-/


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I'm starting to think this thread is still going to be here on launch day. Like some kind of perpetual stupid machine.



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That really isn't against my point, but rather on what contributes to gender wage gap, which helps on what could be done in order to lessen the gap.

 

Women's career often cuts short when they get children and it's hard to back to labor market spending long time caring little children. This can be balanced by free childcare by goverment, different benefits and paternity leave and in general making it easier for men to take care of the children as well.

 

Education is somewhat reason in terms of field of work, but even if women are majority of students in some fields that should pay well, like law, they are still less likely to get work and get into high positions within work.


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Considering the fact that a bunch of feminists killed a woman's dog because she dared to conduct research which proved that the majority of women seeking aid at her abuse shelters were also abusers within the relationship. Then I would say that yes, most of their "research" should be checked and double checked outside of their circles before believed. 

 

 

Sarah Silverman caught lying about getting paid less than a man.  Of course this is one person but it shows proof that not every woman who claims to be getting paid less is telling the truth.

http://www.washingto...gap-lie-after-/

 

If we are talking about scientific study those are peer pressured and checked that they are made scientifically right. So it's not so easy to bullshit those. Numbers and graphs are usually produced by bigger company or goverment's cell so there is not so much fear on getting targeted by crazy people.



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That really isn't against my point, but rather on what contributes to gender wage gap, which helps on what could be done in order to lessen the gap.

 

Women's career often cuts short when they get children and it's hard to back to labor market spending long time caring little children. This can be balanced by free childcare by goverment, different benefits and paternity leave and in general making it easier for men to take care of the children as well.

 

Education is somewhat reason in terms of field of work, but even if women are majority of students in some fields that should pay well, like law, they are still less likely to get work and get into high positions within work.

Do you even watch video.

 

"In a sexually dimorphic species, equal opportunities does not mean equal outcome. Men and women have the exact same opportunities, the difference is in the outcome, like this video plainly stated."

 

Wage gap is myth. It's not discrimination to pay differently for differently job. brain surgeon job not equal janitors job. It's not discrimination one group earn less per average. It's not discrimination all my collogues are female. We don't need make 50 - 50. Ok if you don't get it, you can live in your fantasy world of patriarchy I wish it was true would be nice for me.


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Wage gap is myth.


This. A women whom works in the same field as a man, doing the same job, working the same hours do not get paid less.
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That really isn't against my point, but rather on what contributes to gender wage gap, which helps on what could be done in order to lessen the gap.

 

Women's career often cuts short when they get children and it's hard to back to labor market spending long time caring little children. This can be balanced by free childcare by goverment, different benefits and paternity leave and in general making it easier for men to take care of the children as well.

 

Education is somewhat reason in terms of field of work, but even if women are majority of students in some fields that should pay well, like law, they are still less likely to get work and get into high positions within work.

 

The problem is the stigma that has been placed on women who want children

 

Law is a field that can potentially pay well vs I.T. and Engineering which is much more likely to pay well. Engineering and I.T. are sought the world over.



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In a mature rated game, I don't care about violence or overt sexuality.  I only care that it's all shared equally and entertaining. 

Just a note on wage inequality.  Pretty much it is a fact that wage inequality exists, go look up the stats on google, some of the surveys have been done by governments.  The question there is why does it still exist, not if it does.



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Do you even watch video.

 

"In a sexually dimorphic species, equal opportunities does not mean equal outcome. Men and women have the exact same opportunities, the difference is in the outcome, like this video plainly stated."

 

Wage gap is myth. It's not discrimination to pay differently for differently job. brain surgeon job not equal janitors job. It's not discrimination one group earn less per average. It's not discrimination all my collogues are female. We don't need make 50 - 50. Ok if you don't get it, you can live in your fantasy world of patriarchy I wish it was true would be nice for me.

 

I did and it wasn't really anything new, not anything I haven't come across during my studies.

 

They do not have same opportunities due to expected to get pregnant and take care of children and overall getting less high (in positions) during their careers. Also ending in job that pays less compared to their male collegues.

 

The problem is the stigma that has been placed on women who want children

 

Law is a field that can potentially pay well vs I.T. and Engineering which is much more likely to pay well. Engineering and I.T. are sought the world over.

 

Yes, though somewhat women in general since women are expected to get children eventually. I'd say that engineering yes, but IT is fully booked in my country, not really free jobs on that field.. unless you want to be enterpreneur.



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If we are talking about scientific study those are peer pressured and checked that they are made scientifically right. So it's not so easy to bullshit those. Numbers and graphs are usually produced by bigger company or goverment's cell so there is not so much fear on getting targeted by crazy people.

Scientific research can be biased because those cosigning the research have something to gain.  There have been plenty of so called research results passed around throughout history that have been totally fabricated.

 

Then you have to take into account that some organizations have not bothered to fact check before spreading research results because they are lazy.

 

I can see wage inequality existing in third world countries, but in the first world. No way. People are usually paid more based on value, overtime, et al.  If you learn multiple languages you are almost guaranteed to make more working the same job for the same amount of hours.  If you work overtime, you will make more than those who are clocking out on time. 

 

That so called research about the gender pay gap doesn't bother to address different industries, education, job seniority, et al.

 

Some high money making industries are dominated by men because men choose to work in those industries and women don't.

 

Some college degrees are worth more than others and men tend to get the degrees that are worth more which will secure them jobs in money making industries.

 

Men tend to work overtime more than women.

 

These three factors alone guarantees that men will make more money in the work force than women.  But if we're talking about a man and a woman working at the exact same job, with the same education, skills, seniority, and same working hours. They are both going home with the same paycheck.

 

 

They do not have same opportunities due to expected to get pregnant and take care of children

 

No one is expecting a woman to get pregnant. If a woman chooses to have children she usually has access to maternity leave and daycare.  But it is her own choice to get pregnant and she should expect that both men and women at her job have surpassed her and could be making more money by the time she returns to work. That's hardly inequality. Unless you think a person should be able to take a six month to a year break and return making just as much as those who worked their way to a higher pay check since the time of their absence.


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Why are we talking about wage inequality and job opportunity in a thread about video game characters? 


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This. A women whom works in the same field as a man, doing the same job, working the same hours do not get paid less.


Bollocks. Several lawsuits in the UK say very differently.
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Bollocks. Several lawsuits in the UK say very differently.

and you endorsed his point, if someone pays less to a woman for the same work lawsuits occur because equal pay is defended by law.


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Why are we talking about wage inequality and job opportunity in a thread about video game characters? 

because feminism.



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and you endorsed his point, if someone pays less to a woman for the same work lawsuits occur because equal pay is defended by law.


But it is reliant on the women having to take people to court. If they didn't they would be paid less. The fact that there actually needs to be a law says quite a bit, don't you think?

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But it is reliant on the women having to take people to court. If they didn't they would be paid less. The fact that there actually needs to be a law says quite a bit, don't you think?

it is necessary to have laws for everything, if corporations could pay employees in rice without repercussion they would pay.


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But it is reliant on the women having to take people to court. If they didn't they would be paid less. The fact that there actually needs to be a law says quite a bit, don't you think?

Not really. Killing, stealing, raping, etc being bad should be no brainers, and yet societies needed to make laws about them. If something that obvious needs to have laws created, more nuanced things like employee rights certainly do. 


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