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Wage gap by numbers is what women in general make compared to men. Then there is deeper study on why there is wage gap and why women make less, I already posted some reasons for that.

 

I already addressed education.

 

Actually employers are expecting women to get eventually pregnant, since it's quite normal that people have children. That is true, however father has access for similar benefits and that's because mothers staying home too much with children means that they get often too behind in the work and might not be able to get their career on same track as before. This is seen at the moment as inequality of genders, women taking more burden of taking care of family, which results into careers that are cut in the middle and also wage gap.


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Scientific research can be biased because those cosigning the research have something to gain.  There have been plenty of so called research results passed around throughout history that have been totally fabricated.

 

Then you have to take into account that some organizations have not bothered to fact check before spreading research results because they are lazy.

 

I can see wage inequality existing in third world countries, but in the first world. No way. People are usually paid more based on value, overtime, et al.  If you learn multiple languages you are almost guaranteed to make more working the same job for the same amount of hours.  If you work overtime, you will make more than those who are clocking out on time. 

 

That so called research about the gender pay gap doesn't bother to address different industries, education, job seniority, et al.

 

Some high money making industries are dominated by men because men choose to work in those industries and women don't.

 

Some college degrees are worth more than others and men tend to get the degrees that are worth more which will secure them jobs in money making industries.

 

Men tend to work overtime more than women.

 

These three factors alone guarantees that men will make more money in the work force than women.  But if we're talking about a man and a woman working at the exact same job, with the same education, skills, seniority, and same working hours. They are both going home with the same paycheck.

 

 

No one is expecting a woman to get pregnant. If a woman chooses to have children she usually has access to maternity leave and daycare.  But it is her own choice to get pregnant and she should expect that both men and women at her job have surpassed her and could be making more money by the time she returns to work. That's hardly inequality. Unless you think a person should be able to take a six month to a year break and return making just as much as those who worked their way to a higher pay check since the time of their absence.

Unfortunately the wage gap myth is one of those things that has probably been debunked thousands upon thousands of times but it never dies. In all likelihood for two reasons; those that perpetuate the myth do not care about truth and/or evidence and the myth has been around for decades and has household brand status. I don't even bother debunking it anymore because its proponents are immune to reason.


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Unfortunately the wage gap myth is one of those things that has probably been debunked thousands upon thousands of times but it never dies. In all likelihood for two reasons; those that perpetuate the myth do not care about truth and/or evidence and the myth has been around for decades and has household brand status. I don't even bother debunking it anymore because its proponents are immune to reason.

 

I find it bit hard to believe and bit outrageous. You know why? Because this is what I study. This is actually what was in my entrance exam for university. This simply is scientific thing that social scientist study.

 

Wage gap exist, it's black and white in paper in research data. What is important is to find out why and should be something to be done and what this something is and this is what I have been talking about.

 

I guess someone is going to claim evolution theory isn't true next.. which would actually be more beliviable cause it's theory and not actual numbers.


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I don't even bother debunking it anymore because its proponents are immune to reason.


"I can easily disprove this but I choose not to " never works. You'll get some knee-jerk support from people who are already on your side, but you make your side look foolish to everyone who hasn't already drunk your kool-aid. Eust a link to someone else making your argument would work.
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I find it bit hard to believe and bit outrageous. You know why? Because this is what I study. This is actually what was in my entrance exam for university. This simply is scientific thing that social scientist study.

Wage gap exist, it's black and white in paper in research data. What is important is to find out why and should be something to be done and what this something is and this is what I have been talking about.

I guess someone is going to claim evolution theory isn't true next.. which would actually be more beliviable cause it's theory and not actual numbers.


Probably because people on all sides pick and choose which studies they want to believe or which one they phrase their argument around.
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Wtf did this conversation turn into?


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#3582
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Wtf did this conversation turn into?

 

Pretty much this

 

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More apropos to this thread would be the skin coverage gap between men and women that should be rectified by giving men less clothes.


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More apropos to this thread would be the skin coverage gap between men and women that should be rectified by giving men less clothes.

Grey Fullbuster fight for equality since episode 1.

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Bioware feel free to make the lady's as hot as possible :D

 

Sure, just so long as they are completely covered by armor while going into battle. 


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Grey Fullbuster fight for equality since episode 1.

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I'll see your Gray Fullbuster and raise you one Alex Louis Armstrong.

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I'll see your Gray Fullbuster and raise you one Alex Louis Armstrong.

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This thread has now become awesome. :D

 

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Pretty much this

 

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BW, what do you expect?


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Alex Louis Armstrong is potentially my favorite character in any series. The series ended well, I wanted more but I was happy with a solid conclusion.



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Lol, do you people seriously believe that? Have you ever been outside your house?

 

I can assure you women love "the visual" just as much, and I've seen too many guys, irl and online, that love showing off to believe that's an inherent gender difference.

 

Yep, seen no shortage of attention and validation seeking broads both offline and on. Fortunately for me, but unfortunately for them, I pay zero mind to any that I'm not involved with.

 

And I'm quite aware that women factor in the visual(but not primarily like men), given how my own looks has provided a number of them with the 'tingles.



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This thread has now become awesome. :D

 

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#3593
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Tnx for the nightmares. i'm scarred for life



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I find it bit hard to believe and bit outrageous. You know why? Because this is what I study. This is actually what was in my entrance exam for university. This simply is scientific thing that social scientist study.

 

 

So I take it you're doing women's/gender studies at uni?


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So I take it you're doing women's/gender studies at uni?

 

No, I study social sciences which is wider subject.



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So I take it you're doing women's/gender studies at uni?

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As someone who has seen the books of several companies I can tell you guys clearly: Women often earn less than men when they do the same job, especially in the age bracket of 20-40. Some companies pay equally but overall women make a little less for the same work. There are also a few women in specialist/leadership positions who earn quite a lot.

 

I've also seen it often that men have better chances of getting a job (outside of female dominated areas like nurses, secretaries etc) because they are less likely to miss work because of a pregnancy.


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As someone who has seen the books of several companies I can tell you guys clearly: Women often earn less than men when they do the same job, especially in the age bracket of 20-40. Some companies pay equally but overall women make a little less for the same work. There are also a few women in specialist/leadership positions who earn quite a lot.

 

I've also seen it often that men have better chances of getting a job (outside of female dominated areas like nurses, secretaries etc) because they are less likely to miss work because of a pregnancy.

and these women were doing the same amount of overtime per month?
They were in office the same time as the man?
I find it hard to believe, because if is 100% true, only need one of these women look in their paycheck, and paycheck of a man, and boom the company has a labor claim in the hands.
 
and taking into account how young people behave on the Internet these days I also think twice before hiring a woman for my company.


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and on another note.
we should change the subject before a mod lock the topic.


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The thing is, which some of you lot don't realise is that it is really easy to create a gender divide if you so desire.
Simple things like favourable reviews leading to payrises for employees along with denials of pay increase due to not meeting spurious targets is ridiculously easy andperfectly legal.
I know, I am involved in such decisions.

Even giving higher profile projects to certain people over others creates it. You lot must live in cloud cuckoo land.
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