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[Star fury]

What's wrong with Allers and J. Chobot voicing her anyway?

 

[Rannik]

I understand having different opinions, but:
1)seriously? It wouldn't be ME without skintight outfits ? I read this type of claim often (without X it isn't ME), but this beat them all.
2) Source on the conscious design choice for Showing next-gen capabilities?

 

1) They're indeed a pretty recognisable characteristic of the ME look.

 

2) Derek Watts (Mass Effect's Art Director) - THE SHAPE THAT UNIFIED MASS EFFECT’S LOOK

 

And it was kind of showing the fidelity that we were trying to get with the new engine, the new hardware. Trying to get those nice, smooth curves. During the previous generation, you couldn’t get those smooth curves, you couldn’t afford the polys. So it was one way of convincing people this was a real next gen game, with next gen graphics.

[FKA_Servo]

What's wrong with Allers and J. Chobot voicing her anyway?

 

 

Mass Effect has had a lot of superfluous characters over the years, but she takes the cake. What an awful idea.

 

We had two perfectly good reporters who could have joined us on the Normandy and provided actual character continuity.

 

And Bioware killed one of them on Twitter.

[The Elder King]

1) They're indeed a pretty recognisable characteristic of the ME look.

2) Derek Watts (Mass Effect's Art Director) - THE SHAPE THAT UNIFIED MASS EFFECT’S LOOK

1) I'm Not saying it's not a recognizable characteristic of the ME look. I'm saying losing it doesn't mean the game isn't ME.
Besides, almost nobody is saying those outfits shouldn't be in. They're saying They don't want them in combat.
2)thanks, Though I thought it was a reference to those outfits alone. The blog is talking about something They used on armours, vehicles, etc. Insomma see How it's relevant to the discussion.

[Pasquale1234]

Sex sells. I wonder how many copies of ME2 were sold by Miranda's ass alone.

It's still a risky proposition. It's true that Miranda's ass might have sold some copies, but it is also true that the focus on her ass might have kept some people from buying it.
 

It's definitely an issue, but it never reaches the egregiousness of Jack's leather strap. Or attempting to fight in high heels. And I don't think Jacob's bulge is ever waved in your face the way Miranda's butt is. Certainly never to the extent that Miranda's butt is.

Jacob has a bulge?

I've looked, but never found one. It's the reason that I can't take claims about Jacob wearing a 'catsuit' very seriously. His outfit looks like fully protective, padded armor. It's somewhat form-fitting, and shows him to be somewhat athletic and a physically fit soldier - but the poor guy really needs a package.
 
Vega sports the fruits of his efforts in the gym, and might qualify as eye candy, but alas - his is not a package deal, either.

If the ladies of Mass Effect can be puffed up every game, the fellas deserve some attention, too. They've been neglected for far too long.

This is, after all, a mature game for a mature audience. It's time to bring the sexy men out of hiding and put them on stage shaking their goodies alongside the female strippers and consorts.

[Akrabra]

And Bioware killed one of them on Twitter.

Poor Emily Wong, no screentime after ME. That bugged me and Diana Allers was so annoying. Did Jessica Chobot win a competition or something?

[FKA_Servo]

Poor Emily Wong, no screentime after ME. That bugged me and Diana Allers was so annoying. Did Jessica Chobot win a competition or something?

 

I have no idea. I think it's just because she was a gaming personality?

 

They made some strange decisions with ME3, though. As we all know.

[Iakus]

 
This is, after all, a mature game for a mature audience. It's time to bring the sexy men out of hiding and put them on stage shaking their goodies alongside the female strippers and consorts.

Somehow, I don't think that would make the game any more mature, or attract a more mature audience 

[FKA_Servo]

Jacob has a bulge?

I've looked, but never found one. It's the reason that I can't take claims about Jacob wearing a 'catsuit' very seriously. His outfit looks like fully protective, padded armor. It's somewhat form-fitting, and shows him to be somewhat athletic and a physically fit soldier - but the poor guy really needs a package.
 
Vega sports the fruits of his efforts in the gym, and might qualify as eye candy, but alas - his is not a package deal, either.

If the ladies of Mass Effect can be puffed up every game, the fellas deserve some attention, too. They've been neglected for far too long.

This is, after all, a mature game for a mature audience. It's time to bring the sexy men out of hiding and put them on stage shaking their goodies alongside the female strippers and consorts.

 

We should ask Kasumi. She'd probably know.

 

I remain an advocate of equal opportunity eye candy. This is why I feel so bad for dudes in SWTOR.

[Xen]

This is, after all, a mature game for a mature audience. It's time to bring the sexy men out of hiding and put them on stage shaking their goodies alongside the female strippers and consorts.

yeah....no. That wouldn't attract a mature audience, it would just attract more kids going through puberty. 

Remove them both. Spandex crotch bulges and wedgie ass shots don't make me feel like I'm playing a mature game, they just make me feel like my intelligence is being insulted, and often cause unintentional hilarity in situations that are supposed to be taken seriously.
 

[Pasquale1234]

Seriously though I agree that characters should wear appropriate armor in combat but I also want them to be sexy and feminine/masculine when free from duty.

Me, too. I have a funny feeling, though, that your idea of sexy is different from mine.

[daveliam]

We should ask Kasumi. She'd probably know.

 

I remain an advocate of equal opportunity eye candy. This is why I feel so bad for dudes in SWTOR.

 

Even with customization the male companions in SWTOR are not very sexy.  You can, however, make a ridiculously overly sexualized hunk of PC.  My Mirialian Jedi Sage (body type 3, natch) is in the SWTOR equivalent of a chainmail bikini (i.e. only naughty parts covered). 

[RevilFox]

I'd like the characters to dress in a way that's inherently consistent to their character. Miranda wore a skin tight catsuit because, as she explicitly states in the game, she uses all of her tools including her sexuality as a weapon when needed. Jack wore what she wore because...well, I'm not about to explain Jack to anyone. Both of them relied on their biotic abilities to keep them safe, Jack more than Miranda, who was at least wearing something that provided protection. But that also makes sense, considering who they are. To borrow an example from Dragon Age, Isabella didn't wear armor of any kind because, like Miranda, she liked to use her sexuality when needed as a weapon or a tool. And while she didn't have biotic abilities to keep her safe, she also wasn't trying to dodge bullets or anything, and relied on her ability to evade to keep her unharmed. All three are supremely confident in their abilities. 

 

Does that mean everyone should dress like this? No. Look at Ashley. Stupid pink Phoenix armor aside, she could and did wear they heaviest armor in the game, because she was a soldier and that's how she was trained. She was also confident in her ability, but her ability manifested itself in a different way. And she had no interest in using sex as a weapon or a tool. It would have made no sense for her character to go into battle dressed like Jack or Miranda. So I don't think it's worthwhile to make blanket statements like the OP, but I would ask that if a character is sexualized, there should be an actual character driven reason for them to be.  

 

Just to be clear though, I'm not advocating either way for a sexualized character to be in MEA. Like most of my arguments about companions and allies, I just want well written, consistent characters, regardless of what that means. If there's a super strong biotic version of Zevran dancing around the battlefield in leather hot pants, singing a funeral dirge about his long lost cat Lenore, I'm cool with that. So long as it makes sense in context.

[CrutchCricket]

Couldn't disagree more. I want outfits so tight it's not actually physically possible to wear them, DAT ASS™ shots in combat sequences and some outfits made entirely out of silly string and mass effect fields.

 

Make it happen.

[Pasquale1234]

yeah....no. That wouldn't attract a mature audience, it would just attract more kids going through puberty. 

Remove them both. Spandex crotch bulges and wedgie ass shots don't make me feel like I'm playing a mature game, they just make me feel like my intelligence is being insulted, and often cause unintentional hilarity in situations that are supposed to be taken seriously.

Much of my post was tongue-in-cheek.

I am quite serious, though, about the strippers. If they're going to have strippers / consorts / brothels / whatevs in-game, they should put both males and females on display.

[FKA_Servo]

Even with customization the male companions in SWTOR are not very sexy.  You can, however, make a ridiculously overly sexualized hunk of PC.  My Mirialian Jedi Sage is in the SWTOR equivalent of a chainmail bikini (i.e. only naughty parts covered). 

 

I was mainly referring to the package situation. Assuming everything is actually there, it looks painful.

 

I reserve a good amount of "mad propz" for the armor in TOR though, because yeah, a ridiculous piece of armor is identical on male and female toons.

 

My Chiss Sith Warrior looks great alongside Jaesa in their matching Dramatic Extrovert set.

[Iakus]

I'd like the characters to dress in a way that's inherently consistent to their character. Miranda wore a skin tight catsuit because, as she explicitly states in the game, she uses all of her tools including her sexuality as a weapon when needed. Jack wore what she wore because...well, I'm not about to explain Jack to anyone. Both of them relied on their biotic abilities to keep them safe, Jack more than Miranda, who was at least wearing something that provided protection. But that also makes sense, considering who they are. To borrow an example from Dragon Age, Isabella didn't wear armor of any kind because, like Miranda, she liked to use her sexuality when needed as a weapon or a tool. And while she didn't have biotic abilities to keep her safe, she also wasn't trying to dodge bullets or anything, and relied on her ability to evade to keep her unharmed. All three are supremely confident in their abilities. 

 

Except at no point did Miranda ever use her sexuality as a weapon.  Not even as a distraction.  She was a Cerberus officer, an administrator who got things done and was a natural leader.  If anything she'd want to be taken seriously and not as eye candy.

 

And biotics require focus and concentration.  Armor and kinetic barriers protect you even from attacks you don't see coming.

 

It makes sense for Isabela to not wear armor necessarily.  I mean, pirate and all.  Wearing heavy armor in ship-to-ship combat means you head straight to the bottom if you fall overboard.  But she could have at least worn pants.

[Xen]

Couldn't disagree more. I want outfits so tight it's not actually physically possible to wear them, DAT ASS™ shots in combat sequences and some outfits made entirely out of silly string and mass effect fields.

 

Make it happen.

IT'S A SNEAKING SUIT
 

 

Much of my post was tongue-in-cheek.

I am quite serious, though, about the strippers. If they're going to have strippers / consorts / brothels / whatevs in-game, they should put both males and females on display.

My mistake

I agree, though I'd prefer fanservice were kept to a minimum and only when it makes sense (IE, not in a professional or combat setting unless the "profession" involves selling one's body for a living).

[X Equestris]

Jacob has a bulge?I've looked, but never found one. It's the reason that I can't take claims about Jacob wearing a 'catsuit' very seriously. His outfit looks like fully protective, padded armor. It's somewhat form-fitting, and shows him to be somewhat athletic and a physically fit soldier - but the poor guy really needs a package. Vega sports the fruits of his efforts in the gym, and might qualify as eye candy, but alas - his is not a package deal, either.If the ladies of Mass Effect can be puffed up every game, the fellas deserve some attention, too. They've been neglected for far too long.This is, after all, a mature game for a mature audience. It's time to bring the sexy men out of hiding and put them on stage shaking their goodies alongside the female strippers and consorts.

The person I was replying to asserted that he did. I never looked, but as I said, if he does, it never reaches the levels that Miranda's butt cam does.

[CrutchCricket]

Except at no point did Miranda ever use her sexuality as a weapon.  Not even as a distraction.  She was a Cerberus officer, an administrator who got things done and was a natural leader.  If anything she'd want to be taken seriously and not as eye candy.

 

And biotics require focus and concentration.  Armor and kinetic barriers protect you even from attacks you don't see coming.

 

It makes sense for Isabela to not wear armor necessarily.  I mean, pirate and all.  Wearing heavy armor in ship-to-ship combat means you head straight to the bottom if you fall overboard.  But she could have at least worn pants.

I don't know, I was pretty distracted.

 

And the day someone makes me or Miranda wear pants is the day I synthesize you all

[CrutchCricket]

IT'S A SNEAKING SUIT

I can't think of a better argument for stealth mechanics.

 

Sneaking->sneaking suit-> DAT ASS™ in a sneaking suit!!

[FKA_Servo]

No one should be required to submit to the tyranny of pants.

[Pasquale1234]

I'd like the characters to dress in a way that's inherently consistent to their character. Miranda wore a skin tight catsuit because, as she explicitly states in the game, she uses all of her tools including her sexuality as a weapon when needed. Jack wore what she wore because...well, I'm not about to explain Jack to anyone. Both of them relied on their biotic abilities to keep them safe, Jack more than Miranda, who was at least wearing something that provided protection. But that also makes sense, considering who they are. To borrow an example from Dragon Age, Isabella didn't wear armor of any kind because, like Miranda, she liked to use her sexuality when needed as a weapon or a tool. And while she didn't have biotic abilities to keep her safe, she also wasn't trying to dodge bullets or anything, and relied on her ability to evade to keep her unharmed. All three are supremely confident in their abilities.

Ah, yes - the trope that keeps on giving.

The one that says that a woman's greatest weapon and defense is her sex.

And that all potential enemy combatants will kneel in awe of the awesomeness of her sex.

[The Elder King]

I don't know, I was pretty distracted.
 
And the day someone makes me or Miranda wear pants is the day I synthesize you all

You weren't Fighting her Though .

[CrutchCricket]

You weren't Fighting her Though .

Exactly.