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[The Elder King]

Exactly.

Shep was forced to work with Miranda anyway .

[Schmonozov]

Why not?

[OhNoWhyHow]

I don't really care if some sexualized characters are just physically present.  What I don't like is the camera zooming in on people's asses and/or asari getting all up ons because it's just *assumed* I'm into that.  If I want to stare at Miranda's ass, I can go stand behind her.  I don't need the camera assuming it knows what's going on in my brain. 

 

It's like those spots where you can watch asari dancers in ME1 and/or dance with them in ME2.  If you want to knock yourself out and if you don't keep moving.

[o Ventus]

If the ladies of Mass Effect can be puffed up every game, the fellas deserve some attention, too. They've been neglected for far too long.

This is, after all, a mature game for a mature audience. It's time to bring the sexy men out of hiding and put them on stage shaking their goodies alongside the female strippers and consorts.

Not that I'm disagreeing, but women tend not to find men's genitalia "sexy" in the same way men do toward women. They often go more for muscles and overall frame build. Human sexual dimorphism at work.

[RevilFox]

Ah, yes - the trope that keeps on giving.

The one that says that a woman's greatest weapon and defense is her sex.

And that all potential enemy combatants will kneel in awe of the awesomeness of her sex.

Well that's definitely not what I said. What's the quote? Something like, "...even the way I look is designed to give me an advantage". I never said that it was her primary weapon, or even that it was effective. Sadly though, I know enough people to be reasonably sure it worked once in a while as a distraction, if nothing else. But maybe it never once gave her an advantage in her entire life, so long as she thinks it does, and that belief makes sense for the character to have, I don't mind it. 

[OhNoWhyHow]

Not that I'm disagreeing, but women tend not to find men's genitalia "sexy" in the same way men do toward women. 

 

[CrutchCricket]

Shep was forced to work with Miranda anyway .

Yes. "Forced"

[Larry-3]

But I want overly sexualized girls on my ship.

[Steppenwolf]

That's dumb.

 

As dumb as failing to do your civic duty? As dumb as being a bystander to the most important process in your country?

[Akrabra]

As dumb as failing to do your civic duty? As dumb as being a bystander to the most important process in your country?

Yeah this thread is about more serious issues than politics 

[Pasquale1234]

Well that's definitely not what I said. What's the quote? Something like, "...even the way I look is designed to give me an advantage". I never said that it was her primary weapon, or even that it was effective. Sadly though, I know enough people to be reasonably sure it worked once in a while as a distraction, if nothing else. But maybe it never once gave her an advantage in her entire life, so long as she thinks it does, and that belief makes sense for the character to have, I don't mind it.

The point is that it's often used as an excuse when devs want to feature female combatants fighting while dressed in something that could not remotely qualify as armor.

[o Ventus]

"Tend not to".

[AresKeith]

I don't think armours in ME have To be bulky, and I'm in favour of lighter armour: I don't think every character should wear armours like Vega's.
ME already shown (Not i man excellent way) that classes that Are more focused on biotics or tech wear lighter armours then soldiers.
My problem is that I don't think Miranda, Jacob, Thane and Samara's outfits can be considered light armour.

Miranda's dlc armor seems like a good example of light armor for biotics

Jacob however I could see wearing heavy armor or at least medium armor because he felt like a vanguard

[Menethra]

I came here fully expecting to see some SJW crusade BS. The first page was very amusing if a bit creepy.

[Former_Fiend]

Miranda's dlc armor seems like a good example of light armor for biotics

Jacob however I could see wearing heavy armor or at least medium armor because he felt like a vanguard

 

You know, I never got the ME2 dlc outfits, but Miranda's actually looks pretty good.

[Ryzaki]

I don't know, this is the future we're talking about, not a fantasy setting. Does all the armor need to be bulky and obvious?

 

I'm a big fan of the Shadowrun tabetop game; a cyberpunk/fantasy setting taking place from the 2050 to the 2070s. Few months ago they released a 5th edition book on combat, weapons, and armor. One of the specialty pieces was a polymer coating unitard called "Second Skin"; was literally invisible and almost undetectable. Armor wise, was far from the best, but it had it's uses; concealability, offering protection in scenarios where heavier armor wasn't viable. Indeed, one of the stables of the Shadowrun verse is normal clothing that's composed of an armor weave, similar to what the Kingpin wears in the Netflix Daredevil series.

 

Now, I'm not saying this stuff should be translated directly into ME. I don't want things that clash heavily with the ME setting as established. But is it really that suspension of disbelief breaking that Miranda, Jacob, Samara, and Thane's outfits might have some protective qualities to them? Enough that, when paired with biotic barriers/shields, might be enough armor to warrant a trade off for the extra mobility and flexibility it gives them? Thane, especially, is an infiltration and stealth expert, not a front line soldier.

 

There are points I agree on. I don't want to see bare skin in space; not on Grunt or Zaeed anymore than Jack or Miranda. But given the prevalence of barriers/shields, I'm willing to give the lighter armor in combat a pass, especially if it gives the developers more freedom in creating unique, interesting, and distinctive looking squadmates.

 

I have no issue with light armor. Liara's shadowbroker outfit is one of my fav armors in the game. I just really don't want stupid rule of cool armors. Outfits on the ship? Fine whatever. But combat outfits? =/

 

Edit: The following is not directed at you Fiend.

 

Also the whole sex appeal as defense with Miranda is stupid considering the main enemy of ME2 were freaking Collectors. The Collectors wouldn't give a damn if she ran around screaming naked. I refuse to believe Miranda of all people would armor herself up for only part of her enemies.

[In Exile]

The point is that it's often used as an excuse when devs want to feature female combatants fighting while dressed in something that could not remotely qualify as armor.

 

It's a stupid excuse. I mean, might as well have all the men running around with hard dicks to "distract the enemy". 

[RevilFox]

The point is that it's often used as an excuse when devs want to feature female combatants fighting while dressed in something that could not remotely qualify as armor.

Now that I agree with. I'm much more apt to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, if not a pass, on this kind of thing though. Because unlike some other companies, Bioware doesn't just include sexualized females in their game. Ashley and Aveline, for example, are both major characters who don't fit the trope. I like Ashley, and Aveline is one of my favorite characters in the series. I think that, with Bioware, I'm comfortable thinking they're not just doing this to do it, and are doing it because it makes sense for the character.

 

There are real people who dress/act sexually or in a sexualized manner in real life, so I don't have any problem with that being presented in game. The problem comes when that's the ONLY type of female character. Kind of like how I have a problem that the only kind of lesbian found in Bioware games seem to be of the lipstick variety. Can we AT LEAST get a chapstick lesbian?

[CrutchCricket]

I dislike the Miranda DLC armor. It looks blocky and weird.

 

I like the Ashley/Liara ME3 armor though.

[AresKeith]

You know, I never got the ME2 dlc outfits, but Miranda's actually looks pretty good.

And they never reused that model either

Strange

[dreamgazer]

It's a stupid excuse. I mean, might as well have all the men running around with hard dicks to "distract the enemy". 

 

[shodiswe]

I agree, it would be better if utility wear isn't overly sexualized.

I guess that means different things to different people though. It gets silly at some Point, and that's something they should avoid. I'm far more ok with them having ridiculous offduty clothing... Not saying I'm asking for it or would appreciate it, but at least it wouldn't break immersion the same way as ridiculous armour..

[Ryzaki]

Now that I agree with. I'm much more apt to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, if not a pass, on this kind of thing though. Because unlike some other companies, Bioware doesn't just include sexualized females in their game. Ashley and Aveline, for example, are both major characters who don't fit the trope. I like Ashley, and Aveline is one of my favorite characters in the series. I think that, with Bioware, I'm comfortable thinking they're not just doing this to do it, and are doing it because it makes sense for the character.

 

It really didn't make sense for Miranda though.

 

Morrigan? Isabela? Morinth? Flemeth? All women I can see doing that.

 

Miranda? I can see her doing that if she had exhausted any and all other options. And I don't see her being liable to do the seduction as a first resort in the first place. She's just not a femme fatal trope at all. If the devs meant to portray her as one they really failed in everything but her outfit. The self esteem issues, the lack of showing her ever attempting to seduce anyone, her blunt manner and lack of manipulation. It just. I don't see it. I don't see it at all.

[Ajensis]

Now that I agree with. I'm much more apt to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, if not a pass, on this kind of thing though. Because unlike some other companies, Bioware doesn't just include sexualized females in their game. Ashley and Aveline, for example, are both major characters who don't fit the trope. I like Ashley, and Aveline is one of my favorite characters in the series. I think that, with Bioware, I'm comfortable thinking they're not just doing this to do it, and are doing it because it makes sense for the character.

 

I think that's definitely true. But some of us would still like them to dial it down, at least for combat scenarios where some of the outfits and armours simply make no sense you can still have their unique outfits to help define them when you go speak to them between missions. Everybody wins.

[Han Shot First]

I dislike the Miranda DLC armor. It looks blocky and weird.

 

I like the Ashley/Liara ME3 armor though.

 

I kind of agree about Miranda's DLC armor. I liked that she finally had combat armor, but I had mixed feelings on the design. Like you I thought Liara & Ashley's combat armor in ME3 was better.

 

I liked Miranda's black loyality uniform, but not for missions. I thought it worked and was appropriate for the character aboard ship and places like Illium however.