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[SpunkyMonkey]

it's all about context.

 

If someone's meant to be sexy, or has a sexy persona, then fair enough, but what I can't cope with is seeing an old witch of the wilds turned into a sex symbol, or a supposed pirate leader - who shares many a night at sea with many a rough sea dawg - be an object of pure lust. It's totally out of context and ruins things.

 

A balance would be nice, and there's no reason why more practically minded characters can't have odd sexy moments or visa versa. So long as it fits in context then that's fine.

[Larry-3]

I like Miranda's black outfit. Speaking of black, I put all of my crew members in their most black-ish outfits.

[CrutchCricket]

I liked Miranda's black loyality uniform, but not for missions. I thought it worked and was appropriate for the character aboard ship and places like Illium however.

Eh, the only times it was too glaring for me was in the extreme environments (vacuum, toxic etc).
 
Next playthrough I guess I'll just avoid bringing her or Kasumi to those places.
 

I like Miranda's black outfit. Speaking of black, I put all of my crew members in their most black-ish outfits.

Same, except for Kasumi who starts off with the black outfit (only squadmate for whom I prefer the original outfit over the loyalty one)

[AresKeith]

I dislike the Miranda DLC armor. It looks blocky and weird.

 

I like the Ashley/Liara ME3 armor though.

 

Ashley's first armor was great the others were very meh lol

 

I liked Liara's too except for the obvious copy & paste of Ashley's armor 

[Iakus]

 

 

I liked Miranda's black loyality uniform, but not for missions. I thought it worked and was appropriate for the character aboard ship and places like Illium however.

Yeah but that outfit was so tight you could actually see her navel.

 

How can she move in that thing?  

[CrutchCricket]

Ashley's first armor was great the others were very meh lol

 

I liked Liara's too except for the obvious copy & paste of Ashley's armor 

I mean the armor style of course. Clearly variations are likely to just be reskins.

 

Certainly better than the Phantom armor reskin a bunch of them have.

[von uber]

This:

 

 

Is not a patch on this:

 

 

One of these squads looks like a professional fighting force, the other looks like it is waiting to finish getting dressed.

 

Edit: Although I am not sure where Tali's internal organs actually are. Maybe Quarians don't have them.

[Former_Fiend]

I have no issue with light armor. Liara's shadowbroker outfit is one of my fav armors in the game. I just really don't want stupid rule of cool armors. Outfits on the ship? Fine whatever. But combat outfits? =/

 

Edit: The following is not directed at you Fiend.

 

Also the whole sex appeal as defense with Miranda is stupid considering the main enemy of ME2 were freaking Collectors. The Collectors wouldn't give a damn if she ran around screaming naked. I refuse to believe Miranda of all people would armor herself up for only part of her enemies.

 

I'm not claiming Miranda's suit offers anywhere near the protection that Vega's armor does, but, stilettos aside, I still see it as somewhat practical. Given that in real life we're currently developing bullet resistant materials as thin as human skin using spider webs, it doesn't strain my imagination that well over a hundred years down the line, we've got something as thin as that cat suit that offers a modicum of protection.

 

Now, I'm not claiming it's anywhere near the same protection as Vega's armor, but again, these characters are biotics who specifically rely more on barriers for defense than armor, and I'm willing accept that she, Jack, Thane, and Samara decided the trade off added mobility during a fire fight - getting from cover to cover more quickly, not having to deal with the fatigue of slugging around in the armor, things like that, was worth it. Given how effective armor is for everyone who goes against Shepard's squad(read: it isn't), that's not an unreasonable stance to take. 

 

Also have to remember that none of these characters(Except Jacob, and he's the most borderline case) are soldiers - I mean in terms of profession, not class. Miranda's a project leader and scientist who happens to be combat trained. Jack is a criminal. Thane is an assassin. Samara's a bounty hunter. So ignoring that they all have biotics to compensate for their lack of protection, they're also all in lines of work where armor is more often than not a liability, or at least not necessary, so it makes sense that they're less accustomed to wearing it than the soldiers on the team.

[Han Shot First]

Yeah but that outfit was so tight you could actually see her navel.

 

How can she move in that thing?  

 

That might have been a bit much.

 

The default white one I thought was much worse in that regard though, except on the back end.

 

As far as armor goes, I wish she had something similar to this fan concept except with a Cerberus color scheme:

 

 

On that note I also wish Liara's armor in ME3 had a helmet:

 

 

Both created by Huggybear at Deviantart.

[We'll bang okay]

Back to the edi camel toe thing, you have to remember her body was trying to pass off as a human wearing a skin tight catsuit thus the camel   toe

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah but that outfit was so tight you could actually see her navel.
 
How can she move in that thing?  

Very enticingly 
 

One of these squads looks like a professional fighting force, the other looks like it is waiting to finish getting dressed.

Yeah, the top one is so pro, armor is superfluous.

U jelly?

[Ryzaki]

I'm not claiming Miranda's suit offers anywhere near the protection that Vega's armor does, but, stilettos aside, I still see it as somewhat practical. Given that in real life we're currently developing bullet resistant materials as thin as human skin using spider webs, it doesn't strain my imagination that well over a hundred years down the line, we've got something as thin as that cat suit that offers a modicum of protection.

 

Now, I'm not claiming it's anywhere near the same protection as Vega's armor, but again, these characters are biotics who specifically rely more on barriers for defense than armor, and I'm willing accept that she, Jack, Thane, and Samara decided the trade off added mobility during a fire fight - getting from cover to cover more quickly, not having to deal with the fatigue of slugging around in the armor, things like that, was worth it. Given how effective armor is for everyone who goes against Shepard's squad(read: it isn't), that's not an unreasonable stance to take. 

 

Also have to remember that none of these characters(Except Jacob, and he's the most borderline case) are soldiers - I mean in terms of profession, not class. Miranda's a project leader and scientist who happens to be combat trained. Jack is a criminal. Thane is an assassin. Samara's a bounty hunter. So ignoring that they all have biotics to compensate for their lack of protection, they're also all in lines of work where armor is more often than not a liability, or at least not necessary, so it makes sense that they're less accustomed to wearing it than the soldiers on the team.

 

Yeah my issue is then why isn't anyone else wearing that wonder technology.

 

Miranda's biotics are inferior to an adept's Shepards. Who runs around in heavy armor. (or medium armor) Do Note. Shepard could not use Heavy/medium armor in ME1 as a adept if we're using the "wasn't trained in it" excuse. Jack is a far superior biotic to Miranda and Samara even more so. Miranda's biotics are advanced for a human yes but they are hardly something she can rely soley on (and she doesn't seeing as she's a sentinel). Thane's armor is equally stupid you'll never find me argue otherwise (he should've at least had cloak so there was so excuse but Kasumi already had it I guess). The armor isn't practical. Her DLC armor is nice and practical. The catsuit is something I expect to see her relaxing on the ship or chilling on the citadel with.

 

Also you're really going to argue the "the armor isn't effective against the guys using heavy arms therefore let's not use it at all." point Fiend? Really? The armor's a preventive measure. It's not a miracle worker. Shep's armor wouldn't save him from dying from Sovereign's beam if it hit him in the face either (only plot shield does that). Doesn't mean it doesn't serve  a purpose for the other 80% of the game.

 

You think Miranda doesn't have combat training? Because I doubt it. And either way they're fighting freaking collectors who are skilled at not only biotics but at using unknown technology. If anything they should be more aware of the protection they use.

 

Also they may have been used to positions where armor was a liability but that's not the position they were in during the SM. In that scenario that scrap of protection might've been the difference between a glancing wound and something that crippled them.

[MR CauSe iM GoD]

All I am saying is that if we need to start with the Quarians. Kal Reeger is way to much for my eyes to handle. Those pecs, that buttock. Come on if that doesn't get you the Hanar and Elcor walking around unprotected. What is a N7 suposed to do.

But in all seriousness, if Quarians can't show off their shapely hips then Hanar shouldn't be able to walk around unprotected. I want to see all the curves or no curves at all.

[AresKeith]

That might have been a bit much.

 

The default white one I thought was much worse in that regard though, except on the back end.

 

As far as armor goes, I wish she had something similar to this fan concept except with a Cerberus color scheme:

 

 

On that note I also wish Liara's armor in ME3 had a helmet:

 

 

Both created by Huggybear at Deviantart.

 

I also wish Ashley had better alt armors that fit her character

 

Jacob should've had an outfit like the Cerberus Ajax armor or one of the outfits from that ME: Infiltrator game

[Han Shot First]

I also wish Ashley had better alt armors that fit her character

 

Jacob should've had an outfit like the Cerberus Ajax armor or one of the outfits from that ME: Infiltrator game

 

Agree with the bolded.

 

Speaking of Ashley, I also wish her default uniform aboard the Normandy was one of the two versions of utilities we see other Alliance characters like Shepard, Traynor, Cortez, or Kaiden wearing. 

 

Like this, on the left:

 

[Former_Fiend]

Yeah my issue is then why isn't anyone else wearing that wonder technology.

 

Miranda's biotics are inferior to an adept's Shepards. Who runs around in heavy armor. (or medium armor) Jack is a far superior biotic to Miranda and Samara even more so. Miranda's biotics are advanced for a human yes but they are hardly something she can rely soley on (and she doesn't seeing as she's a sentinel). Thane's armor is equally stupid you'll never find me argue otherwise (he should've at least had cloak so there was so excuse but Kasumi already had it I guess). The armor isn't practical. Her DLC armor is nice and practical. The catsuit is something I expect to see her relaxing on the ship or chilling on the citadel with.

 

Also you're really going to argue the "the armor isn't effective against the guys using heavy arms therefore let's not use it at all." point Fiend? Really? The armor's a preventive measure. It's not a miracle worker. Shep's armor wouldn't save him from dying from Sovereign's beam if it hit him in the face either (only plot shield does that). Doesn't mean it doesn't serve  a purpose for the other 80% of the game.

 

You think Miranda doesn't have combat training? Because I doubt it. And either way they're fighting freaking collectors who are skilled at not only biotics but at using unknown technology. If anything they should be more aware of the protection they use.

 

I'm saying there are probably in-universe debates over whether or not the armor is worth it. Just because one character, say, Shepard or Kaiden, prefers to wear armor in addition to their biotic protection, doesn't mean another person, such as Miranda or Thane, has to make that same decision. You may consider the second group foolish for that decision but it's also important to remember that while ME has a limited gameplay style(three armed people shoot their way through hallways full of enemies), in universe these people have vastly different operating style; Thane's MO is either going to be sniping people from a mile away or sneaking in and doing exactly what he does in his intro.

 

I also specifically said that Miranda does have combat training, but there is a difference between a combat trained civilian like Miranda and a military mind like Shepard or Kaiden. Shepard, Kaiden, Ashley, Vega, and to a lesser extent, Jacob, all have Alliance military doctrine drilled into them. Miranda doesn't; she's trained how to fight but didn't have that same mindset systematically imprinted on her. That's my point.

[AresKeith]

Agree with the bolded.

 

Speaking of Ashley, I also wish her default uniform aboard the Normandy was one of the two versions of utilities we see other Alliance characters like Shepard, Traynor, Cortez, or Kaiden wearing. 

 

Like this, on the left:

 

 

That or something like this

 

 

Shep shouldn't be the only one to wear a hoodie

[Ryzaki]

I'm saying there are probably in-universe debates over whether or not the armor is worth it. Just because one character, say, Shepard or Kaiden, prefers to wear armor in addition to their biotic protection, doesn't mean another person, such as Miranda or Thane, has to make that same decision. You may consider the second group foolish for that decision but it's also important to remember that while ME has a limited gameplay style(three armed people shoot their way through hallways full of enemies), in universe these people have vastly different operating style; Thane's MO is either going to be sniping people from a mile away or sneaking in and doing exactly what he does in his intro.

 

I also specifically said that Miranda does have combat training, but there is a difference between a combat trained civilian like Miranda and a military mind like Shepard or Kaiden. Shepard, Kaiden, Ashley, Vega, and to a lesser extent, Jacob, all have Alliance military doctrine drilled into them. Miranda doesn't; she's trained how to fight but didn't have that same mindset systematically imprinted on her. That's my point.

 

As no biotic (not even the Asari) ever brings up such a debate I'm not inclined to believe that as anything other than headcanon.

 

It's foolish to undress for a mission where you're getting shot at. There is no considered about it. There is no stealth in the suicide mission. They know going in the Collectors are gonna be alerted.

 

*looks at all the mercenaries wearing armor, Cerberus Mooks wearing armor*

 

Um...what? How on earth does that stop her from wearing light armor? I'm not expecting her to dress up like someone from warhammer! Hell Cerberus actually has standard armor!

[Former_Fiend]

As no biotic (not even the Asari) ever brings up such a debate I'm not inclined to believe that as anything other than headcanon.

 

It's foolish to undress for a mission where you're getting shot at. There is no considered about it. There is no stealth in the suicide mission. They know going in the Collectors are gonna be alerted.

 

*looks at all the mercenaries wearing armor, Cerberus Mooks wearing armor*

 

Um...what? How on earth does that stop her from wearing light armor? I'm not expecting her to dress up like someone from warhammer! Hell Cerberus actually has standard armor!

 

Never said it wasn't headcanon.

 

And I don't think Miranda actually went through Cerberus combat training. The impression I got from conversations with her was that her father paid for her to have private combat training and that she was already proficient in that training when she signed up with Cerberus. And again, Cerberus wasn't using her as a combatant; that's a secondary role for her. Her primary role is managing sensitive projects.

[Battlebloodmage]

Please more sexualized characters, we need more Kaidan's butt. 

[Xen]

I kind of agree about Miranda's DLC armor. I liked that she finally had combat armor, but I had mixed feelings on the design. Like you I thought Liara & Ashley's combat armor in ME3 was better.

 

I liked Miranda's black loyality uniform, but not for missions. I thought it worked and was appropriate for the character aboard ship and places like Illium however.

Miranda's DLC armor did look a bit bulky for what role she filled. It would have made more sense on a soldier, vanguard or combat infiltrator type. Nonetheless I liked it much more than the catsuits, though it's a shame that equipping it also didn't get rid of the $lut shaming comments.

Ash and Liara's armors in ME3 were mostly very good, apart from again the glaring omission of helmets in all but 1 of Ash's (and it was the one with the worst stat bonus).

edit: because you already posted the ones by huggybear
 

 

One of these squads looks like a professional fighting force, the other looks like it is waiting to finish getting dressed.

 

Edit: Although I am not sure where Tali's internal organs actually are. Maybe Quarians don't have them.

The hips and shoulders need protecting with extra plating, obviously. Seriously, it looks like the cloth designs just cover all the plating except the exposed metal in those areas and on the front of the torso. The HUD was cool, and I liked that armor a lot, though not as much as the two ME3 alternates, particularly this one.

[AresKeith]

I really liked Tali's armored appeared 

[Hazegurl]

I'm not claiming Miranda's suit offers anywhere near the protection that Vega's armor does, but, stilettos aside, I still see it as somewhat practical. Given that in real life we're currently developing bullet resistant materials as thin as human skin using spider webs, it doesn't strain my imagination that well over a hundred years down the line, we've got something as thin as that cat suit that offers a modicum of protection.

 

Now, I'm not claiming it's anywhere near the same protection as Vega's armor, but again, these characters are biotics who specifically rely more on barriers for defense than armor, and I'm willing accept that she, Jack, Thane, and Samara decided the trade off added mobility during a fire fight - getting from cover to cover more quickly, not having to deal with the fatigue of slugging around in the armor, things like that, was worth it. Given how effective armor is for everyone who goes against Shepard's squad(read: it isn't), that's not an unreasonable stance to take. 

 

Also have to remember that none of these characters(Except Jacob, and he's the most borderline case) are soldiers - I mean in terms of profession, not class. Miranda's a project leader and scientist who happens to be combat trained. Jack is a criminal. Thane is an assassin. Samara's a bounty hunter. So ignoring that they all have biotics to compensate for their lack of protection, they're also all in lines of work where armor is more often than not a liability, or at least not necessary, so it makes sense that they're less accustomed to wearing it than the soldiers on the team.

I agree with you on everything you said.  I think it's easy to forget that most of these people aren't soldiers and Thane himself is an assassin who relies on stealth.  He's only going toe to toe with enemies because he's working with a group of people who are.  Same with Kasumi.  As for the bolded, I agree there too, I just wanted to say that part reminds me that Kaidan and Shepard(if a biotic class) seem like the only two biotics who wear heavy armor.  Not even Asari commandos wear the heavy stuff.

[Former_Fiend]

Agree with the bolded.

 

Speaking of Ashley, I also wish her default uniform aboard the Normandy was one of the two versions of utilities we see other Alliance characters like Shepard, Traynor, Cortez, or Kaiden wearing. 

 

Like this, on the left:

 

 

I'm going to say that I dislike that armor. The Miranda piece above is nice and I wouldn't mind if it replaced what she wore in game because it's still very distinctive.

 

But this piece that Ash is wearing here? Looks like a darker shade of every generic blue suns merc I shot down in ME2. It's just a pallet swap, and it bores me. Don't want to take away from the effort the artist put into this, but I just see this as the kind of suit that gets lost in the crowd in ME.

[The Elder King]

I'm going to say that I dislike that armor. The Miranda piece above is nice and I wouldn't mind if it replaced what she wore in game because it's still very distinctive.
 
But this piece that Ash is wearing here? Looks like a darker shade of every generic blue suns merc I shot down in ME2. It's just a pallet swap, and it bores me. Don't want to take away from the effort the artist put into this, but I just see this as the kind of suit that gets lost in the crowd in ME.

Isn't it similar to one of the armour Ashley had in ME3?