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[OhNoWhyHow]

Depends on person really and what would this feminine armor be.

 

I actually had no issue with femshep's armor, boob plates and all.  I'm pretty sure whatever that material is is much more flexible/shock absorbent than a metal breastplate and thus more likely to overcome the V cleavage of death problem that Iron Bull mentioned.  I didn't like the later armor packs in ME2 where they just gave femshep the maleshep breatplate.  1) It seemed cheap as if femshep was a secondary thought and 2) it was disconcerting to see this large obviously masculine pectoral outline on my female character.

 

In fact on a whim, I just did a search and it turns out female body armor is a thing.  That seems like a sensible enough model to start with. 

[Felya87]

Out of curiosity, are the people who don't want overly sexualized characters in the game also against having the option of making the PC overly sexualized? Or just NPCs? 

 

I can only speak for myself. But I'm fine (not happy, but fine) with sexualized outfits outside of fighting, but only if it fits the character personality (I find Ashley style in ME3 not really ok with her previous style, that fitted her much better, but I found Jack's style very much hers, even as ridicolous as it was. She wear her tatooes, she is at the same time naked and covered by them. For her, are more treatening than agressive clothes. From it to be real, or even give the impression of it, owever...).

Having Jack, Thane, Samara or Miranda without any sort of protection for their exposed skin in a toxic enviromant or out in space with just a mask instead of an helmet, is ridicolous. And if Shepard must wear armour, why the others don't wear it? Why are the rules bending for them?

 

I personally don't like oversexualized outfits, so I wouldn't want my character forced to wear those (I hated with a passion the cocktail dress), but I'm not against the chance, as long as I can have my more comfortable clothes too. One shouldn't exclude the other.

So, as long as it made sense (out of duty, on the ship or dancing at the pub) companions can wear what they want. Just as in RL, I can carre less what the other people wear. Is their body, their skin, and as long as they are comfortable, I don't care. And as long as it fits their character. (Miranda's catsuit fit her vain character, for example. Samara's anti-gravity boob window and hight heels, not so much)

 

I simply don't like oversexualization when is out of context, basically, and when is forced over my own character.

[Han Shot First]

Out of curiosity, are the people who don't want overly sexualized characters in the game also against having the option of making the PC overly sexualized? Or just NPCs? 

 

The key word in that phrase in my opinion is overly. The phrase overly sexualized implies that there is too much sex appeal going on with the character, so if it is an accurate description, I'd be against it for both the PC and NPCs.

 

That isn't to say that characters can't have some sex appeal, whether the PC or the NPCs. It just has to be appropriate for that character and fitting of their personality and backstory, and not come at the expense of the character doing something impractical, like going into combat with high heels or into a hazardous enviroment with lots of exposed skin. Protection of course is less an issue in what the characters wear while wandering about the ship or Andromeda's equivalent of the Citadel or Illium.

 

Having said that, I do think it is possible with armor designs to have something that both looks like it serves its intended function but still manages to make the character look attractive or sexy. Those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

[Ryzaki]

Out of curiosity, are the people who don't want overly sexualized characters in the game also against having the option of making the PC overly sexualized? Or just NPCs? 

 

Well that's the key isn't it?

 

Option.

 

I don't care if someone makes their pc run around in space panties. (long as I can have my dude run around in space jockstrap).

[Iakus]

Out of curiosity, are the people who don't want overly sexualized characters in the game also against having the option of making the PC overly sexualized? Or just NPCs? 

Are we talking about options, or simply having overly sexualized PCs?

 

I don't mind options, as long as I can opt out.

[Awkward Octopus]

It's pretty simple, I think, if you just keep in mind two words: Consent and Context.

 

I don't think anyone would have a problem with "sexy" clothing options or behaviors, so long as they're optional. If my PC is shoved into a vacuum-sealed cocktail dress and I don't get a choice about it, that's pretty annoying. Or if my PC starts acting like a cat in heat in a cut scene where I'm just trying to have a normal conversation, that's just... ugh. But I have zero problems with players who want that clothing or dialogue option, so long as I can pick something else. And hey, maybe I would pick that, I don't know. Depends on how I'm playing my character.

 

And likewise, I don't think many people have a problem with characters dressing or acting "sexy" in appropriate situations. Just... not in professional or combat situations. This also has a lot to do with whether it's appropriate for that particular character, but even if it is, there's still a level of context to keep in mind.

[kalikilic]

only saw one person mention Jacob and his sexy suit.

 

oh but apparently a man doesnt count as sexy. even though his ass printed out on his suit but nah, no one notices that.

 

only miranda and her bubble butt gets all the attention.

 

I want Bioware to do whatever they want. 

 

Simply because of the fact that, even if i want something different, Bioware will not listen to me.

[X Equestris]

only saw one person mention Jacob and his sexy suit.
 
oh but apparently a man doesnt count as sexy. even though his ass printed out on his suit but nah, no one notices that.
 
only miranda and her bubble butt gets all the attention.
 
I want Bioware to do whatever they want. 
 
Simply because of the fact that, even if i want something different, Bioware will not listen to me.

And Jacob's butt isn't thrust into your face all of the time. Miranda's is, and it gets a little annoying. His outfit is an issue, but because it isn't shoved in your face, most people don't complain about it.

[KaiserShep]

Jacob always looks like he came back from his second job training space dolphins.

[The Elder King]

only saw one person mention Jacob and his sexy suit.

oh but apparently a man doesnt count as sexy. even though his ass printed out on his suit but nah, no one notices that.

only miranda and her bubble butt gets all the attention.

I want Bioware to do whatever they want.

Simply because of the fact that, even if i want something different, Bioware will not listen to me.

Nah, there Re people Who talked about Jacob and Thane, other then Miranda, Samara, and Jack.
Though the talking was more about their outfits in combat then the outfits in general.
Besides, this is a forum. I don't see the problem in discussing out opinions and what We want, Regardless if Bioware would listen or Not.

[WildOrchid]

 

I actually really like the outfits they considered from the concept art. Note the pulled-back hair, too.

 

Though, I also think reducing the shipped outfit to a "tin foil miniskirt and thigh high boots" isn't fair.  It'd be an entirely different conversation had the whitish-tan gaps on her legs been another shade of darker blue or something. 

 

If only they'd use the one with her hair back......

[Agent69]

And Jacob's butt isn't thrust into your face all of the time. Miranda's is, and it gets a little annoying. His outfit is an issue, but because it isn't shoved in your face, most people don't complain about it.

 

I found them both a little annoying as they were both thrust on us after every mission with Jacob usually giving a paragon opinion and Miranda a renegade. On the whole I found Jacob more annoying but only slightly. If memory serves me correctly you don't get many butt shots if you don't go and talk to Miranda in her room.

[KaiserShep]

Shoulda kept the bun.

[AresKeith]

Shoulda kept the bun.

 

Nah, hair back is better

[KaiserShep]

Codswallop, sir.

[The Elder King]

I found them both a little annoying as they were both thrust on us after every mission with Jacob usually giving a paragon opinion and Miranda a renegade. On whole I found Jacob more annoying but only slightly. If memory serves me correctly you don't get many butt shots if you don't go and talk to Miranda in her room.

Well, people generally go to talk with squadmates and NPC, so it's Not a good option.

[X Equestris]

I found them both a little annoying as they were both thrust on us after every mission with Jacob usually giving a paragon opinion and Miranda a renegade. On the whole I found Jacob more annoying but only slightly. If memory serves me correctly you don't get many butt shots if you don't go and talk to Miranda in her room.

And talking to Miranda in her room is necessary for a fair amount of things. There are quite a few butt shots in ME3, too. I don't recall Jacob ever having butt shots, though if he did they were way less common than Miranada's.

[Agent69]

Well, people generally go to talk with squadmates and NPC, so it's Not a good option.

 

Ok. I didn't do a whole lot of talking to the squad mates in my play throughs but I see your point. Anyway I guess Miranda was one of the main squad mates and it's different not talking to her than say Jack, Jacob or the others that aren't 2nd in command of the vessel. That said, was it really THAT bad. I mean I have seen a ton of stuff I didn't want to see in games and someones butt would rate at the lower end of that spectrum. It's a butt people sit on it. I just don't get how it is a big deal.

[canarius]

If Bioware listens to SJWs, the game will fail really hard like Inquisition. If Bioware doesn't listen to them, then we can get another masterpiece like the other Mass Effect games. I know you people hate attractive people but attractive people are part of the world. Deal with it.

[Crypticqa]

If Bioware listens to SJWs, the game will fail really hard like Inquisition. If Bioware doesn't listen to them, then we can get another masterpiece like the other Mass Effect games. I know you people hate attractive people but attractive people are part of the world. Deal with it.

 

Yes well, one can be attractive even without stupid catsuit and high heels. Clothes really doesnt make people more attractive, it can only SHOW more of that attractivness.

Even tho I really cant see why combat armor should make people less attractive, their face is just the same. But I guess that is just me

[Linkenski]

You realize characters can still be sexy without being overly sexualized right?

yeah, like Ashley in Mass Effect 1. When I said Bioware was going with the flow for sexualized contra feminist-friendly I was implying Miranda and Ashley in her designer outfit was the age of Sexist Bioware and DAI marked their SJW era.

[AresKeith]

If Bioware listens to SJWs, the game will fail really hard like Inquisition. If Bioware doesn't listen to them, then we can get another masterpiece like the other Mass Effect games. I know you people hate attractive people but attractive people are part of the world. Deal with it.

 

yeah, like Ashley in Mass Effect 1. When I said Bioware was going with the flow for sexualized contra feminist-friendly I was implying Miranda and Ashley in her designer outfit was the age of Sexist Bioware and DAI marked their SJW era.

 

So you two are trolls then?

 

Good to know 

[canarius]

Yes well, one can be attractive even without stupid catsuit and high heels. Clothes really doesnt make people more attractive, it can only SHOW more of that attractivness.

Even tho I really cant see why combat armor should make people less attractive, their face is just the same. But I guess that is just me

 Idk clothes made Josephine very unattractive.

[The Elder King]

If Bioware listens to SJWs, the game will fail really hard like Inquisition. If Bioware doesn't listen to them, then we can get another masterpiece like the other Mass Effect games. I know you people hate attractive people but attractive people are part of the world. Deal with it.

Yes, the major problem I saw people listing for DAI (empty open words, dozens of fetch quests, short main plot, crappy antagonist, combat problems, bugs and glitches,) Are caused by Bioware listening to SJW .

People here don't hate attractive people, and most don't have problems with skimpy clothes. Those people have problem on those outfits IN COMBAT. The game would still have those beautiful outfits Who show of How attractive characters are .

[OhNoWhyHow]

Ok. I didn't do a whole lot of talking to the squad mates in my play throughs but I see your point. Anyway I guess Miranda was one of the main squad mates and it's different not talking to her than say Jack, Jacob or the others that aren't 2nd in command of the vessel. That said, was it really THAT bad. I mean I have seen a ton of stuff I didn't want to see in games and someones butt would rate at the lower end of that spectrum. It's a butt people sit on it. I just don't get how it is a big deal.

 

I don't know in your case, but I have a hunch that most people who feel this way are probably straight dudes.  Imagine something you find extremely sexually unappealing (dude's bulging crotch, unshaved female legs, whatever).  Now imagine that the camera makes a point of making that thing huge, point and center for like 5 minutes in a conversation that has nothing to do with sex on the assumption that you *would* find said thing appealing.  (And with some potential subtext that a prinicpal reason you are even talking to that character is because you *should* find that thing appealing).  Also imagine that the character who has this feature is designed in such a way that this feature is accentuated at all times.

 

This is how I hazard a lot of straight women/gay men/etc. feel about Miranda's gratuitous ass shots in non romance conversations.  It's certainly how I felt.  Miranda's ass shot and catsuit is roughly analogous to me as short shorts/hairy leg shots would be to most straight guys I know.