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[Hazegurl]

The primary issue I have with the poster has more to do with weird anatomy and weak composition. But it looks like a speed painting, so whatever.

 

But really, the male is posed in a way that makes him look strong and competent. Even if you, or any particular lady might like the way he is designed and posed and find it attractive, the primary purpose of it was "doesn't this look like a cool character to play as?" While the female character looks to be posed in such a way that all I get from it is "hey, guys, look, it's a girl!" I personally would prefer they are depicted equally in that she also looks posed with strength and competence. That doesn't mean she can't also be attractive (I thought the "fix" posted earlier was pretty great).

 

EDIT: I should add that I really appreciate that they chose to put the female in the front, and give her the primary focus, but I do think it would have worked better with a stronger pose for her.

Fair enough.  I'm just trying to offer a different perspective.  Which is why I brought up a 'what if' about the intent of the artist.

 

What if both were meant to be viewed as sexually appealing.  If so, then the male being posed to look strong and competent IS what makes him sexually appealing.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

This literally just occurred to me, but is it possible that the  Miranda ass shots were a short hand, cinematographic attempt to make it clear that she was trying to use her physical appearance to appeal to your character? 

 

(To be clear, I don't know that I even believe this, just something I thought of when reading this post.)

I've said it millions of times before, but no really cares apparently. They did it intentionally. 

 

Taken from here...

Spoiler

Me: The camera angle is an interesting choice...

Hudson: It is an interesting choice. It's also not a transient shot, when you see it there that long (as a dialogue option)...

Me: When you were making the game, did you notice this shot?

Hudson: Oh, of course... Can I ask why was that picture so important to you? I guarantee we've got shots like that of Jacob as well.

Me: Maybe it's because I'm a woman, or I'm a female Shepard, but my other friends — both male and female — also noticed that shot and found it be to be gratuitous. I did notice that Jacob's uniform is pretty tight too, but you can only tell when you stand behind him, and these shots of Miranda just could not be missed. So why...

Hudson: That's part of her character design, she's the femme fatale. It's part of her character and the fact that she's beautiful and this beauty is part of what helps her. As you get to know her, you realize there's more to her.

[Awkward Octopus]

Fair enough.  I'm just trying to offer a different perspective.  Which is why I brought up a 'what if' about the intent of the artist.

 

What if both were meant to be viewed as sexually appealing.  If so, then the male being posed to look strong and competent IS what makes him sexually appealing.

 

I'm not saying it's wrong to think the "strong and competent" pose is sexually appealing. Not at all, I think that's a perfectly valid position. I just think that, if a male character can be posed in a way that's strong and competent and therefore sexually appealing, why can't the female character be the same? Instead it seems like it's far more the later than the former.

 

For what it's worth, I think the artist's technique is fantastic, I love the style and color choices, etc., I'm just less fond of the pose and composition.

[Han Shot First]

While there may have been some reason behind it besides, "Hey, look at Miranda's amazing backside!" it just comes across as gratuitous at worst, and ham-handed at best.

 

Bioware certainly had other and better means to portray Miranda as a femme fatale than awkward camera angles. 

[RevilFox]

While there may have been some reason behind it besides, "Hey, look at Miranda's amazing backside!" it just comes across as gratuitous at worst, and ham-handed at best.

 

Bioware certainly had other and better means to portray Miranda as a femme fatale than awkward camera angles. 

Sorry, I can't hear you over my basking in the glory of this confirmation that I'm a supra genius.

 

 

(My bar is REALLY low.)

[Pasquale1234]

This literally just occurred to me, but is it possible that the  Miranda ass shots were a short hand, cinematographic attempt to make it clear that she was trying to use her physical appearance to appeal to your character? 
 
(To be clear, I don't know that I even believe this, just something I thought of when reading this post.)

What I know about filmography wouldn't fill the head of a pin. That said, I'd think if they were wanting to somehow emphasize her genetic 'perfection', they would have panned around more of her body instead of focusing so much on her ass.

Also, I never got the feeling that Miranda was particularly interested in appealing to my character. It takes her quite awhile to warm up to Shepard.

But... dunno.

[Majestic Jazz]

I don't think anyone is complaining about their bodies. There is nothing wrong with some characters being designed to be attractive. It is only when that sex appeal seems gratuitous or gets an undue amount of attention that people start to have an issue with it. Examples of that would be Isabela not wearing pants, Samara's armor being unzipped to her naval, Miranda wearing a catsuit into battle, or the camera angles where instead of getting a full view of both Shepard and Miranda talking, we just get a close up of Miranda's backside. 

 

And the fact that yet again Thane and his visable chest not being mentioned and Jacob with his male cat suit not being mentioned. Everyone you mentioned were yet again female characters......ignoring the male ones. I mean, Jacob went into battle with a catsuit but nobody cares. A female does it and all of a sudden it is Bioware trying to push sex on us. Samara has her suit unzipped low and it is an issue and yet Thane has his zipped low showing some chest and nobody bats an eye. Only when it is a FEMALE character does it get attention. 

 

[Hazegurl]

I'm not saying it's wrong to think the "strong and competent" pose is sexually appealing. Not at all, I think that's a perfectly valid position. I just think that, if a male character can be posed in a way that's strong and competent and therefore sexually appealing, why can't the female character be the same? Instead it seems like it's far more the later than the former.

 

For what it's worth, I think the artist's technique is fantastic, I love the style and color choices, etc., I'm just less fond of the pose and composition.

Answer: Because 'strong and competent' aren't traits that are associated with women and sex appeal.

 

Not saying it's right

Not saying everyone thinks this way

Not saying this is how it should be

 

But if the purpose is to appeal sexually to the opposite sexes then both are most likely going to convey different messages.

[Pasquale1234]

Fair enough.  I'm just trying to offer a different perspective.  Which is why I brought up a 'what if' about the intent of the artist.
 
What if both were meant to be viewed as sexually appealing.  If so, then the male being posed to look strong and competent IS what makes him sexually appealing.

Some of us find strong and competent to be sexually appealing in females, too.

[Rannik]

Some of us find strong and competent to be sexually appealing in females, too.

 

"Some" being the keyword there.

 

Without data to back it up, I'd say that's not the general case.

[The Elder King]

Fair enough.  I'm just trying to offer a different perspective.  Which is why I brought up a 'what if' about the intent of the artist.
 
What if both were meant to be viewed as sexually appealing.  If so, then the male being posed to look strong and competent IS what makes him sexually appealing.

I think it might've been the intent.
Though To be honest I was more interested by the helmets and hope those we'll be in-game then caring about their pose .

And the fact that yet again Thane and his visable chest not being mentioned and Jacob with his male cat suit not being mentioned. Everyone you mentioned were yet again female characters......ignoring the male ones. I mean, Jacob went into battle with a catsuit but nobody cares. A female does it and all of a sudden it is Bioware trying to push sex on us. Samara has her suit unzipped low and it is an issue and yet Thane has his zipped low showing some chest and nobody bats an eye. Only when it is a FEMALE character does it get attention. 
 

You're actively finding post that talk about femoae characters and avoid those Who talk about male characters as well?

[Panda]

I think it would be best if booty shots were limited to romance/flirting content. Otherwise they can be annoying and I think it was bit disrespectful to have booty shots of Miranda while you talk with her about something that was serious to her.

 

Somehow I wasn't too bothered about most "armors" characters had in ME2 and other games. Designs were quite nice though Jack's did look bit uncomfortable though and I think Samara's cleavage was exaggerated. Otherwise than that I like Miranda's outfit and even Ashleys on ME3. However do they look like armors for someone who is going to gun battle? No they don't, they do look more like working clothes- while on office. It didn't bother me so much, but I can see how it does bother people.

[Majestic Jazz]

Answer: Because 'strong and competent' aren't traits that are associated with women and sex appeal.

 

Not saying it's right

Not saying everyone thinks this way

Not saying this is how it should be

 

But if the purpose is to appeal sexually to the opposite sexes then both are most likely going to convey different messages.

 

 

[OhNoWhyHow]

"Some" being the keyword there.

 

So you find weak and incompetent people sexually appealing? 

[RZIBARA]

What the hell does Anita Sarkesian, and feminism have to do with my thread? Get the hell out of here with that bullcrap!

 

Seriously, is reading that difficult for people?!

[Han Shot First]

And the fact that yet again Thane and his visable chest not being mentioned and Jacob with his male cat suit not being mentioned. Everyone you mentioned were yet again female characters......ignoring the male ones. I mean, Jacob went into battle with a catsuit but nobody cares. A female does it and all of a sudden it is Bioware trying to push sex on us. Samara has her suit unzipped low and it is an issue and yet Thane has his zipped low showing some chest and nobody bats an eye. Only when it is a FEMALE character does it get attention. 

 

 

 

 

You need to pay more attention, because I have mentioned Jacob and Thane in this thread. In fact I even did in a reply to one of your posts. I just don't feel a need to keep repeating it in every post. But since you either missed it or chose to ignore it, here it is again:

 

 

 

 Ideally Jacob would have been wearing something similar to Kaidan or Vega in ME3 except with a Cerberus color scheme, and Thane would have had some light armor under that duster.

 

Also as has already pointed out to you by myself and others, Thane and Jacob were much less glaring examples than Miranda. Thankfully I don't recall any camera angles focusing on Jacob's backside or any zoom shots of Thane's chest. In fact the .gif you posted of Thane is lifted from his romance content, where some sexualization might actually be appropriate.

[maia0407]

I think it might've been the intent.
Though To be honest I was more interested by the helmets and hope those we'll be in-game then caring about their pose .
You're actively finding post that talk about femoae characters and avoid those Who talk about male characters as well?

 

And the fact that yet again Thane and his visable chest not being mentioned and Jacob with his male cat suit not being mentioned. Everyone you mentioned were yet again female characters......ignoring the male ones. I mean, Jacob went into battle with a catsuit but nobody cares. A female does it and all of a sudden it is Bioware trying to push sex on us. Samara has her suit unzipped low and it is an issue and yet Thane has his zipped low showing some chest and nobody bats an eye. Only when it is a FEMALE character does it get attention. 

 

I dunno, Thane's pose looks male gazey to me. His pose and chest cut out look like something a guy thinks a woman should like because that's what he likes to see in a woman.  Unfortunately, he just came across as sleazy to me. Like Leisure Suit Larry or something.

[Majestic Jazz]

So you find weak and incompetent people sexually appealing? 

 

I guess what he meant was that GENERALLY men are attractive to the feminine qualities of women such as their appearance, curves etc. The N7 Lady "sexy pose" is meant to appeal to the typical male who would normally find that kind of stuff attractive. Again, not all males do but I bet the majority of males. Just look at maxim magazine covers or anything that is meant to portray a female in a physically sexual way and you'll see that much of their poses are unnatural/unrealistic but they get the "point" across. 

 

What the hell does Anita Sarkesian, and feminism have to do with my thread? Get the hell out of here with that bullcrap!

 

Seriously, is reading that difficult for people?!

 

+1 

[maia0407]

What the hell does Anita Sarkesian, and feminism have to do with my thread? Get the hell out of here with that bullcrap!

 

Seriously, is reading that difficult for people?!

Oh, please, if you can't see the relationship between feminism and sexualized body armor, I don't really know what to say to you. Sorry, but you don't own the thread once it's out there in the wilds.

[Pasquale1234]

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*yawn*

The person who's been complaining about sexualized male characters receiving less discussion than sexualized female characters now applauds double standards.

No surprise, I don't suppose.

[TheJediSaint]

I'd just like for characters to have more than just a breathing mask and goggles when they're moving around in vacuum.

[RZIBARA]

Oh, please, if you can't see the relationship between feminism and sexualized body armor, I don't really know what to say to you. Sorry, but you don't own the thread once it's out there in the wilds.

 

Of course I own my thread. I'm discussing how characters, both MALE and FEMALE, should wear proper gear in combat scenarios. High heels, tights, no armour, and exposed skin in both combat and outer space make no sense, regardless of gender.  Thane, Samara, Miranda, Jacob, Jack? All examples

 

You and others are making this out into some feminism crap. Cut the bull.

[OhNoWhyHow]

I actually thought of a direct parallel to Miranda's buttcam that is equally annoying and a major reason a lot of people don't like Jacob.  The fact that femshep talks to him like a cat in heat even when she just met him.

 

This is another dumb gameplay decision that's mostly based on how sexy we are *supposed* to find character X or Y.  So this stupid stuff *isn't* just limited to female characters, but it's still annoying regardless. 

[RZIBARA]

I'd just like for characters to have more than just a breathing mask and goggles when their moving around in vacuum.

 

Yep, one of the stupidest things by far in the trilogy. I'll be mega pissed if we see that crap again

[maia0407]

Of course I own my thread. I'm discussing how characters, both MALE and FEMALE, should wear proper gear in combat scenarios. High heels, tights, no armour, and exposed skin in both combat and outer space make no sense, regardless of gender.  Thane, Samara, Miranda, Jacob, Jack? All examples

 

You and others are making this out into some feminism crap. Cut the bull.

Yeah, except, you don't get to shut down conversation because you don't like feminism. That tactic won't fly. You might actually learn something, like the fact that feminism can and does cover both male and female gender issues. Who da thunk it? And, no you don't own the thread. Bioware does.