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[von uber]

Ignorant about what? You're the one saying you have a ban on anything pink for your daughter. And I'm saying that it's dumb and it makes you seem like the intolerable parent who is socially pressuring his kid for the sake of "equality".

 

Equality has nothing to do with it. It's more that young girls are pressurised (and marketed at) to go for these toys, and at that age they are very impressionable. Banning pink does not mean that she will not have dolls etc if she wants them, but I am buggered if the only toys she have will be pink and consist of makeup or jewellery. An example - dressing her in a grey babygro and people automatically assume she is a boy, even though she is clearly a little girl. it is amazing what people assume on a first glance.

 

And what makes you seem ignorant are your posts which, tend to speak for themselves really.

[OhNoWhyHow]

As for the rest of your argument. All I have to say on it is read my post again if you want to. You can't get over that it's a totally different appeal not the polar opposite.

 

Man: I like sleek cars

Woman: I like cute purses

 

One thing has nothing at all to do with the other.

 

I'm not saying it's polar opposite.  I'm saying it's exclusionary.  It's creating an artificial nonsense barrier between "sexy" and "confident" or "slick" and "cute" for that matter. 

 

Eh, nitpicking.

[von uber]

I liked my fairy dolls just as much as I liked my RC car and my toy soldiers. I'm glad I was allowed to pick for myself. 

 

i agree with that, the problem is other people buying things for her. That's where the ban is - if they want to buy her a toy or something, that's fine as long as it is not pink. Her mum feels the same way too, guess that makes her a screaming femnazi sjw.

[Steelcan]

i agree with that, the problem is other people buying things for her. That's where the ban is - if they want to buy her a toy or something, that's fine as long as it is not pink. Her mum feels the same way too, guess that makes her a screaming femnazi sjw.

no it just makes it a little weird

[KaiserShep]

i agree with that, the problem is other people buying things for her. That's where the ban is - if they want to buy her a toy or something, that's fine as long as it is not pink. Her mum feels the same way too, guess that makes her a screaming femnazi sjw.

 

 

They really should make a Full Metal B**** Barbie, complete with helicopter rotor sword. Heck, even I would buy one. 

[von uber]

no it just makes it a little weird

 

Wait until you have a little daughter is all i can say to that!

[OhNoWhyHow]

I'd just take the approach my parents took and buy me pink dolls and plastic T-rexes and toy tractors.  The T-rexes and tractors won out.

[The Heretic of Time]

i agree with that, the problem is other people buying things for her. That's where the ban is - if they want to buy her a toy or something, that's fine as long as it is not pink. Her mum feels the same way too, guess that makes her a screaming femnazi sjw.

 

Ohhhhhhh so it's okay if your daughter gets pink toys as long as you're the one giving it to her and not other people. That totally makes sense!

[HuldraDancer]

i agree with that, the problem is other people buying things for her. That's where the ban is - if they want to buy her a toy or something, that's fine as long as it is not pink. Her mum feels the same way too, guess that makes her a screaming femnazi sjw.

 

I apologize for jumping in like this and I am sorry if its been asked before but what if your kid asked for a toy that happened to be pink? Like say out with a grandparent or someone they're allowed to pick a toy and the toy they picked just happens to be pink. Would that be a no go or would that be fine? Merely curious is all.

[RevilFox]

no it just makes it a little weird

I understand how it would seem that way, but to be honest if there wasn't that ban the kid would get almost nothing BUT pink "feminine" ****. Because that's what is mostly marketed to little girls and so it is, by far, the easiest thing to just wander into a toy store and then wander out with.

[KaiserShep]

Pink toys. What if it was a big stuffed Kirby doll? What then? You'd have to have no soul to refuse it. 

[von uber]

I apologize for jumping in like this and I am sorry if its been asked before but what if your kid asked for a toy that happened to be pink? Like say out with a grandparent or someone they're allowed to pick a toy and the toy they picked just happens to be pink. Would that be a no go or would that be fine? Merely curious is all.

 

I think it would depend what the toy was to be honest. If it is her choice then that's fine - to be honest she is still very, very young, and it is something I haven't had to think about yet.

[Cyonan]

I understand how it would seem that way, but to be honest if there wasn't that ban the kid would get almost nothing BUT pink "feminine" ****. Because that's what is mostly marketed to little girls and so it is, by far, the easiest thing to just wander into a toy store and then wander out with.

 

Yeah, it seems weird at first. Especially when the whole thing was worded in a way that sounded like they were banning pink toys entirely.

 

but it makes a kind of sense. You're going against the norm, which most people are just going to default to the standard and that's all you'll ever get unless you tell them otherwise.

[RevilFox]

Yeah, it seems weird at first. Especially when the whole thing was worded in a way that sounded like they were banning pink toys entirely.

 

but it makes a kind of sense. You're going against the norm, which most people are just going to default to the standard and that's all you'll ever get unless you tell them otherwise.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. As I understand it from what Von Uber posted, the ban is specifically for other people buying the kid presents. He's not saying that his daughter can't have things that are pink, he's just trying to keep her from 90%+ of her presents being pink and the kind thinking she HAS to like pink stuff just because she's a girl.

[dreamgazer]

Pink toys. What if it was a big stuffed Kirby doll? What then? You'd have to have no soul to refuse it.

On the bright side, the kid will never know the pain of a pink bunny suit.

[von uber]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. As I understand it from what Von Uber posted, the ban is specifically for other people buying the kid presents. He's not saying that his daughter can't have things that are pink, he's just trying to keep her from 90%+ of her presents being pink and the kind thinking she HAS to like pink stuff just because she's a girl.

 

Exactly right. I recommend people go to a toy store and just look at it, it is bonkers.

[The Heretic of Time]

Equality has nothing to do with it. It's more that young girls are pressurised (and marketed at) to go for these toys, and at that age they are very impressionable. Banning pink does not mean that she will not have dolls etc if she wants them, but I am buggered if the only toys she have will be pink and consist of makeup or jewellery. An example - dressing her in a grey babygro and people automatically assume she is a boy, even though she is clearly a little girl. it is amazing what people assume on a first glance.

 

And what makes you seem ignorant are your posts which, tend to speak for themselves really.

 

There is a reason why certain toys are marketed ad girls and others are marketed at boys, and sexism or gender parity has nothing to do with it.

I get your concern, I just don't think it's very valid one and I think banning toys for your kid is a little extreme, but hey, I'm just some guy on the internet, so take that as you will.

Also the idea that kids are impressionable is not wrong, but at the same time it is. I remember that as a kid I already knew very clearly what I wanted and it had nothing to do with commercials, society or how toy stores are arranged. I remember asking my mom to buy me a Barbie doll because I figured my Action Man needed a wife (I was 5, don't judge). My favorite toy was actually a plastic cooking set that was originally marketed at girls. I specifically asked for that cooking set for Christmas (also around the age of 4 or 5).

When my first child is born I'll just give him/her all kinds of stuff and see what (s)he likes. I'm most certainly not gonna ban my friends or relatives from buying specific toys for my kid. They can buy my kid whatever they want (within reason of course).

[camphor]

Equality has nothing to do with it. It's more that young girls are pressurised (and marketed at) to go for these toys, and at that age they are very impressionable. Banning pink does not mean that she will not have dolls etc if she wants them, but I am buggered if the only toys she have will be pink and consist of makeup or jewellery. An example - dressing her in a grey babygro and people automatically assume she is a boy, even though she is clearly a little girl. it is amazing what people assume on a first glance.

 

And what makes you seem ignorant are your posts which, tend to speak for themselves really.

just for the record if your kids under 5 or more importantly an infant two things,

 

1. dont blame other people for confusing the gender its not something thats easily distinguished to an outsider (its blatantly obvious to the parent,)

 

2. Recognise that you as an adult see breaking social norms as freeing, but that if your child adapts to a lifestyle (i am in no way talking sexual orientation for the record) that breaks those social norms she will be chastised made fun of isolated and Socially damaged some people do ok dome really really don't. its probably better to teach the social norm then give the option to betray it, then to not teach the norm and think they will figure it out. but its non of my business of course just a thought. if you think the internets a cesspool put a recorder on a public school bus. kids are alot meaner then adults

 

this is not an insult at all i just know alot of people who have permanent emotional issues because of the backlash society can put on kids.

[RevilFox]

Exactly right. I recommend people go to a toy store and just look at it, it is bonkers.

It really is. I'd honestly do the same thing if my kid was a girl. Since he's not, I don't actually have to ban anything, because he's already going to get a wide variety of different toys. My wife and I are likely going to be the only one buying him "feminine" stuff, but there's a huge difference between a kid getting "feminine" stuff from one person and them getting it from every person. 

[Lady Artifice]

i agree with that, the problem is other people buying things for her. That's where the ban is - if they want to buy her a toy or something, that's fine as long as it is not pink. Her mum feels the same way too, guess that makes her a screaming femnazi sjw.

 

Actually, it reminds me of "What's Wrong With Cinderella" by Peggy Orenstein. 

 

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

 

I didn't agree with every aspect of her perspective, but she's addressing societal issues that I think should be talked about. These are complicated issues. What I worry about is them being oversimplified.

 

For example, I love wearing high heels and dresses, and sometimes--very rarely--I'll hear someone make a comment about how doing that kind of thing is anti-feminist, or just buying into the whole assigned gender role dogma. I think it's a bad idea for women to pressure women to behave or dress a certain way, whether that be more "feminine" or more "masculine," because the whole point of believing in equality is to exercise our own right to make that choice ourselves.

 

Before the 1940's, it was blue was the quintessential "girl's color," because it was connected to the Virgin Mary. I'm sure that doesn't factor in to your reasoning, because you take issue with society forcing an archetype onto children, which is completely fair. For me the key is perspective. I'd rather pink became less stigmatized as a stereotypically "girly" (weaker and fussier) color, than avoid it altogether. 

[Felya87]

I'd just take the approach my parents took and buy me pink dolls and plastic T-rexes and toy tractors.  The T-rexes and tractors won out.

 

Just like the gorilla plushie basically always win against the doll when I was a small kid (I even have old video of it). I passed to dinosaurs when growing up. Dolls even with the hopes of my grandmother (she buyed me some) never make it.   always kept away, just where could be seen if grandma came to visit, so she had the impression I cared for those, while I played with Lego, animals and dinosaurs.

[RevilFox]

There is a reason wht certain toys are marketed ad girls and others are marketed at boys, and sexism or gender parity has nothing to do with it.
 

I'm honestly curious. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

[daveliam]

I love the unsolicited parenting advice from people who aren't parents. 

 

This thread is weird.  Every time I come back it's totally different.

 

At least it's not those two wackos sniping at each other anymore.  That was tiring.

 

Mic drop.....

[Hazegurl]

Eh, when my sisters and I were kids we just played with everything. My sisters liked toy cars and dolls and we had to split my bottomless pit of LEGO bricks. Humans got too many rules, man.

^This.  I had a lot of different toys, I didn't care what color anything was just as long as it was fun.  When I was in my teens I started to hate pink, now pink is one of my favorite colors next to black.

 

*Thinks about my old toy cowboy pistols* sigh

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Just like the gorilla plushie basically always win when I was a small kid (I even have old video of it). I passed to dinosaurs when growing up. Dolls even with the hopes of my grandmother (she buyed me some) never make it.   always kept away, just where could be seen if grandma came to visit, so she had the impression I cared for those, while I played with Lego, animals and dinosaurs.

My weak point as a child was plastic soldiers, LEGOs or Star Wars action figures. I had a big table in a room full of all my LEGOS, plastic soldiers and action figures. I could easily spend an entire day playing with them and creating huge battlefields, warzones, castle sieges, etc. Ah, sometimes I miss my childhood