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[camphor]

like it's supposed to matter to me or even to BioWare at this point.

this statement right here confused the heck out of me, is this stuff matter to anyone on any level above bored at work.

 

Do people acually like have a deep connection on how many people play female shep?

 

did i miss part of this thread?

 

its not like bioware isnt THE most pc game developer out there there will a fem protag there will be romances and there will be gay/lesbian romances.

 

not being a troll at all i didnt know bioware even posts on these forums. its not like posting here will change anything its just a bunch of opinions  ou seemed really serious and angry about this and i am not sure whats offensive

[Grieving Natashina]

It's the fact that that number 18% shouldn't matter at this point as far as whether or not women deserve better/more representation for future ME games.  I doubt if BioWare cares that one poll from 2012 showed 18% of all players were female as of today.  That's what I meant.  They've obviously shown since then that they are taking a different approach.

 

Offended? No, I'm not offended.  What I am sick of is this outdated poll being thrown around like it's the gospel immutable truth and it will never change.  What I'm tired of is being told that not only is this poll supposed to mean anything to me now in 2015, but 1/5th of the playerbase that was shown as female in that one poll should be dismissed.

 

Having female characters isn't PC, it's called "business sense."  When 48% of women are playing video games, you want to capitalize on that market.  What kind of games women might be playing doesn't matter.  What matters is that more and more women are being open about playing games, and more are playing them.  Why wouldn't a game company take full advantage of that?

 

No one is saying that they don't represent women, or that they don't write good female characters.  What many of us are saying is that we don't want Butt-Cam shots; we don't want catsuits inside of combat; and we don't want the romance arcs to cause the friendship arcs to crash to a halt (Jack.)

[camphor]

It's the fact that that number 18% shouldn't matter at this point as far as whether or not women deserve better/more representation for future ME games.  I doubt if BioWare cares that one poll from 2012 showed 18% of all players were female as of today.  That's what I meant.  They've obviously shown since then that they are taking a different approach.

 

Offended? No, I'm not offended.  What I am sick of is this outdated poll being thrown around like it's the gospel immutable truth and it will never change.  What I'm tired of is being told that not only is this poll supposed to mean anything to me now in 2015, but 1/5th of the playerbase that was shown as female in that one poll should be dismissed.

just seems weird is all bioware isnt the type of game company to represent a choice by how many might choose it i really dont think you have anything to worry about

[von uber]

Take your SJW/feminist notions and go back to tumblr. You people already have done more than enough to Inquisition with the eyerolling PC **** of Krem, and nearly did it again with Dorian.

We don't need any of your criminalizing and shaming male sexuality in video gaming, and never will. We also don't need your 'fantasy is not ok' in a video game. If you want total realism, go find a simulation game.

Oh this was a good one. Can we keep him?

[Grieving Natashina]

 

just seems weird is all bioware isnt the type of game company to represent a choice by how many might choose it i really dont think you have anything to worry about

 

 

You cut off the last part of my post, and that was what I was getting at.  I've been playing BioWare games since 1998, and I know they will always have female characters, unless they state otherwise.  I'd rather see the poll just left out of it.  

 

Let me repeat:  No one is saying that they don't represent women, or that they don't write good female characters.  What many of us are saying is that we don't want Butt-Cam shots; we don't want catsuits out of combat; and we don't want the romance arcs to cause the friendship arcs to crash to a halt (Jack.)

[DaemionMoadrin]

Oh this was a good one. Can we keep him?

 

Meh, I've seen better. Throw it back, we can catch a better one.

[Panda]

Oh this was a good one. Can we keep him?

 

It's even more funny that his comment was aimed to OP of this thread, OP who is male and isn't into feminism and "SJWs" at all.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's even more funny that his comment was aimed to OP of this thread, OP who is male and isn't into feminism and "SJWs" at all.

I'm glad I found this post from a few weeks back.

 

Let's remove tumblr and the internet for a second.  There is something that I've noticed over the last year or so, ever since the term "SJW" really came into use outside of tumblr.  Everyone keeps over-explaining what they think a SJW is, and I find the term meaningless for several reasons.  I get the basic principle though.  It comes down to this:  

 

No one appreciates being lectured about their life from someone with no follow through.  If someone believes in what they are saying, and believes in social change, then they should be out hitting the right websites and writing emails to their government or supporting a petition they believe in on sites like change.org.  It's the folks that just sit and complain and feel the need to constantly express their judgment that earn a lot of collective scorn.  In this context they are also the "but for the children" and "omg, Janet Jackson's pasty" types that freak out if there is a bad word on TV or a hint of a nipple.

 

I get that, but I've seen SJW used time and time again as an attack that's really nothing more than, "I don't like what you think, and I disagree with you, so I'm going to be as big of a jerk about it."  I hope that I've made it clear that anyone, liberal, conservative or otherwise, that uses someone's gender, sexual preference or race (or religion) as a default insult is a jackass.  Those that use an insult like, "cismale white craplord" or whatever are just as horrid as people that go off on the LGBT community, minorities, and/or women.  I will say I'm sick of the overall pettiness and dismissive attitude behind it all, but that's just human nature.  I made my peace with that years ago.

 

 

 

Now to address the current thread.  This is not a SJW thread.  The OP is not someone that is promoting censorship and/or exclusion of "sexiness" based on their own views.  John was offering an opinion about the style of the male and female armor, particularly criticizing some of the decisions made in ME2 and in ME3 for some characters.  He's not trying to dictate anyone's life.  He's not asking for all of the "sexy" options removed.  He asking if they could possibly leave the catsuits on the ship/leather boob straps on the ship, and have more practical armor for combat.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably deliberately missing the point.

 

I've seen more people cry "SJW" than I have any radical feminists push any sort of "agenda" in this thread.  That's why I started calling SJW, "Sliced Juicy Watermelon."  It means as much to me as "social justice warrior" does anymore. 

 

Now I'm off to go do some more sidequests now that Feros is knocked out. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

I'm glad I found this post from a few weeks back.

 

Let's remove tumblr and the internet for a second.  There is something that I've noticed over the last year or so, ever since the term "SJW" really came into use outside of tumblr.  Everyone keeps over-explaining what they think a SJW is, and I find the term meaningless for several reasons.  I get the basic principle though.  It comes down to this:  

 

No one appreciates being lectured about their life from someone with no follow through.  If someone believes in what they are saying, and believes in social change, then they should be out hitting the right websites and writing emails to their government or supporting a petition they believe in on sites like change.org.  It's the folks that just sit and complain and feel the need to constantly express their judgment that earn a lot of collective scorn.  In this context they are also the "but for the children" and "omg, Janet Jackson's pasty" types that freak out if there is a bad word on TV or a hint of a nipple.

 

I get that, but I've seen SJW used time and time again as an attack that's really nothing more than, "I don't like what you think, and I disagree with you, so I'm going to be as big of a jerk about it."  I hope that I've made it clear that anyone, liberal, conservative or otherwise, that uses someone's gender, sexual preference or race (or religion) as a default insult is a jackass.  Those that use an insult like, "cismale white craplord" or whatever are just as horrid as people that go off on the LGBT community, minorities, and/or women.  I will say I'm sick of the overall pettiness and dismissive attitude behind it all, but that's just human nature.  I made my peace with that years ago.

 

 

 

Now to address the current thread.  This is not a SJW thread.  The OP is not someone that is promoting censorship and/or exclusion of "sexiness" based on their own views.  John was offering an opinion about the style of the male and female armor, particularly criticizing some of the decisions made in ME2 and in ME3 for some characters.  He's not trying to dictate anyone's life.  He's not asking for all of the "sexy" options removed.  He asking if they could possibly leave the catsuits on the ship/leather boob straps on the ship, and have more practical for combat.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably deliberately missing the point.

 

I've seen more people cry "SJW" than I have any radical feminists push any sort of "agenda" in this thread.  That's why I started calling SJW, "Sliced Juicy Watermelon."  It means as much to me as "social justice warrior" does anymore. 

 

Now I'm off to go do some more sidequests now that Feros is knocked out. 

its funny, growing up i thought adults were being lame and overdramatic, kicking up a fuss over nothing about stuff i saw on tv. like when mortal kombat first came out, or everytime grand theft auto ships. yet here we are making the exact same mistakes. being offended by little trivial things and rallying mobs to beat down the tides of stupidity when really all we've done is make the waves swell.

 

this is what the millenial's version is of being that overly sensitive mom that kicks up a fuss when rambo is mowing people down with a machine gun. And i relish this irony.

[Felya87]

Another motive I find the "famous" survey about the 18% of female character, is the platform used: The xbox community is composed more of male players (or At least registered as male, since the xbox community is not very female friendly...) than pc and ps, where the percentage of female players is much highter, or At least are more comfortable regist as female.

So is a survey that say Little in the end.

[karushna5]

I didn't have a problem with Samara's design other than not having an optional helmet and the armor being unzipped nearly down to her navel. I think if she had less exposed skin her design would have been fine. There is no reason why she couldn't be both chaste and sexy.

 

I disagree. Characters should be designed to who they are. There is no reason to have Samara be say Ugly. But her character should not be overtly sexy. I mean c'mon. You can design all the characters to be goodlooking, but a chaste character should not be portrayed 'sexy' because that is aggainst their actual design. It's like a dwarf designed to be tall so they are more handsome. All character design should inform about the character and I think sexualization is criticized because it takes away from the game when it puts sexy before character/story which I feel is only really the case in Mass Effect for Samara.

 

Samara was 1- A Mother of advanced age

2-A Holy warrior of some rank

3-Nearly unrelenting in her code and honor

 

Her design was a bit of a fail since it didn't try to get across any of that. It said, "This character is sexy and perhaps likes sex alot" Although I agree that it could have been vastly improved by just zipping up. Heck, just zipping past her neck, and making it almost into a high collar would have shown a bit of her reservation, and I would have been happy with. But Samara being portrayed as sexy was actually bad for the game, because it flew in the face of all logic that she would choose to look like that.

[RZIBARA]

Take your SJW/feminist  notions and go back to tumblr. You people already have done more than enough to Inquisition with the eyerolling PC **** of Krem, and nearly did it again with Dorian.

 

We don't need any of your criminalizing and shaming male sexuality in video gaming, and never will. We also don't need your 'fantasy is not ok' in a video game. If you want total realism, go find a simulation game.

 

Dude....

 

Really? Did you even bother reading the OP or the thread?

 

**** off

[von uber]

Another motive I find the "famous" survey about the 18% of female character, is the platform used: The xbox community is composed more of male players (or At least registered as male, since the xbox community is not very female friendly...) than pc and ps, where the percentage of female players is much highter, or At least are more comfortable regist as female.

So is a survey that say Little in the end.

 

Borne out by this:

 

 

If you take it that a female inqusitor is, on average, more liekly to be chosen by a female.

 

Either that, or PC players are more open minded about playing as the opposite gender

[Steelcan]

I'm more curious why there's such a disparity between the new and old consoles

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I'm more curious why there's such a disparity between the new and old consoles

 

Men are more interested in getting the newest console?

 

I don't know, I am just guessing.

[Scofield]

errr, there aint that much of a difference tbh

 

I'm more curious why there's such a disparity between the new and old consoles

[Felya87]

Borne out by this:

 

 

If you take it that a female inqusitor is, on average, more liekly to be chosen by a female.

 

Either that, or PC players are more open minded about playing as the opposite gender

 

I hadn't memory of this (the percentage yes, not the specific for platform) I based mostly myself on some news I had read some time ago (with even those guys that on the xbox1 exihibited their penis to female players)

The PC community I know it was the one with most female players,, and I was expecting worse for teh Xbox1. A lot of female (or at least people who like play as one) players on the older consoles, too.

[KR96]

Borne out by this:

 

 

 

If you take it that a female inqusitor is, on average, more liekly to be chosen by a female.

 

Either that, or PC players are more open minded about playing as the opposite gender

 

 

Not necessarily, if women make a **** ton of characters, whilst men stick to fewer playthroughs, then you're going to end up with the same stats.

[von uber]

Not necessarily, if women make a **** ton of characters, whilst men stick to fewer playthroughs, then you're going to end up with the same stats.

 

Same applies in reverse though.

[Clips7]

i didn't read the last 60+ pages...just this last page. and i agree to an extent as far as the outfits are concerned for female characters when in combat, characters that can get a pass might be EDI, but any type of flesh based creatures should get armor. And you can still create sleek, sexy looking armor in that sense that is not overly sexual.

 

Me personally i don't have an issue with the catsuits or butt cams (i'm a straight guy afterall...  ) but in some scenarios i can see how those shots come off a bit distasteful. As far as Samarah is concerned? Her suit being that far zipped down is a bit much, but Asari's are sexual creatures by nature correct? So no matter how strong the "code" is embellished within her, she is still an Asari at her core....

 

I don't really see an issue either way, but i can see how some might get a bit concerned over some of the female characters...but i don't think it's an issue to the point to where we need to start boycotting or sending threats to bioware etc...

[Xetykins]

I disagree. Characters should be designed to who they are. There is no reason to have Samara be say Ugly. But her character should not be overtly sexy. I mean c'mon. You can design all the characters to be goodlooking, but a chaste character should not be portrayed 'sexy' because that is aggainst their actual design. It's like a dwarf designed to be tall so they are more handsome. All character design should inform about the character and I think sexualization is criticized because it takes away from the game when it puts sexy before character/story which I feel is only really the case in Mass Effect for Samara.
 
Samara was 1- A Mother of advanced age
2-A Holy warrior of some rank
3-Nearly unrelenting in her code and honor
 
Her design was a bit of a fail since it didn't try to get across any of that. It said, "This character is sexy and perhaps likes sex alot" Although I agree that it could have been vastly improved by just zipping up. Heck, just zipping past her neck, and making it almost into a high collar would have shown a bit of her reservation, and I would have been happy with. But Samara being portrayed as sexy was actually bad for the game, because it flew in the face of all logic that she would choose to look like that.

So older women should dress accordingly? And whats code of honor and job got to do with how you dress? Isn't that like being so judgemental? This reminded me of a mother who withdraw her son from the open water course I assisted in, just because I prefer the thinnest shortest suit being on a tropical water and all that. It didn't even matter to her that I was the most qualified divemaster in the shop. And that really hurt because I can only guess what she thought of me.

Im so sorry that "sex" is the only point Samara came across for you because of what she wears. First thing I saw of Samara was how regal she looked.

[DaemionMoadrin]

If you take it that a female inqusitor is, on average, more liekly to be chosen by a female.

 

Either that, or PC players are more open minded about playing as the opposite gender

 

That still doesn't tell you anything. At least half of my characters are female.

[Hazegurl]

So older women should dress accordingly? And whats code of honor and job got to do with how you dress? Isn't that like being so judgemental? This reminded me of a mother who withdraw her son from the open water course I assisted in, just because I prefer the thinnest shortest suit being on a tropical water and all that. It didn't even matter to her that I was the most qualified divemaster in the shop. And that really hurt because I can only guess what she thought of me.

Im so sorry that "sex" is the only point Samara came across for you because of what she wears. First thing I saw of Samara was how regal she looked.

Don't you understand that only good looking women should be judged based on their looks, you should have put on a burka so no one would get the wrong impression of you. Geez! 

[Xetykins]

Don't you understand that only good looking women should be judged based on their looks, you should have put on a burka so no one would get the wrong impression of you. Geez! 

Mmmhm. Im sure I'd "float" well coming up from 40 meters with a busted lung :-p

[EmissaryofLies]

It's Bioware...