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[Pasquale1234]

It would be easier to buy into the idea that this was only an issue of practicality for people if they would phrase it in the form of, "give me the option to have my squad mates wear practical armour in combat" as opposed to, "please remove the option to have the squad mates wear outfits that I do not approve of (for whatever reason.)"
 
I have no objection to the inclusion of outfit options to provide more choice for people who want to customize the game to their preference. But, when people want to remove options that they would never see in their own SP game simply because they don't want anyone else to have that option, it gets a little hard to believe that it's not because they're offended by the idea in some way.

I don't see anyone here asking for that. There are some people who feel certain outfits were OOC for the characters.

[WildOrchid]

That N7 ajax armour looks great. I hope ME4 has mod support on consoles like Fallout 4 is going to have.

Sadly, it's EA and we all know they aren't mod friendly. :/
Unless they surprise us.

[Janus382]

It would be easier to buy into the idea that this was only an issue of practicality for people if they would phrase it in the form of, "give me the option to have my squad mates wear practical armour in combat" as opposed to, "please remove the option to have the squad mates wear outfits that I do not approve of (for whatever reason.)"

 

I have no objection to the inclusion of outfit options to provide more choice for people who want to customize the game to their preference. But, when people want to remove options that they would never see in their own SP game simply because they don't want anyone else to have that option, it gets a little hard to believe that it's not because they're offended by the idea in some way.

Oh, by all means, include catsuits and boob straps as alternate outfits in combat.  That's fine.  Just don't push the only practical combat armors into non-existence, or behind a paywall.  Choice is good.  I'm not advocating to remove that.

 

The butt-cam can go though...

 

Out of likes, but +1 to every response to the "prudes" assertion, and what seems to be the consensus on nudity.

[Lady Artifice]

There's so many comments on this last few pages I would like, if I could, and I have no likes to give them.

 

It would be easier to buy into the idea that this was only an issue of practicality for people if they would phrase it in the form of, "give me the option to have my squad mates wear practical armour in combat" as opposed to, "please remove the option to have the squad mates wear outfits that I do not approve of (for whatever reason.)"

 

I have no objection to the inclusion of outfit options to provide more choice for people who want to customize the game to their preference. But, when people want to remove options that they would never see in their own SP game simply because they don't want anyone else to have that option, it gets a little hard to believe that it's not because they're offended by the idea in some way.

 

This is, to a degree, how I feel. I believe that some people just want more realistic armor, but I'm also reasonably confident in feeling that for a lot of people a female character coming off as sexualized is considered, in itself, offensive to women.

 

To the former, we each have our own priorities in how true to life we want the game to be. I'm content to accept the space magic of the mass relays, and I'm also content to accept the idea of very protective, reinforced, form fitting material. To the latter, I respectfully disagree. I think there can be a difference between creating a sensual character, and creating an objectified character. 

 

I'm just as okay with Miranda's catsuit as I am with Vivienne's plunging neckline. 

 

But for the people who want something they find more believable, it's good when there are alternatives. 

[Lady Artifice]

Also, +1 more to doing away with the silly avoidance of nudity. 

 

They should use camera angles, if it's such a big concern. 

[Han Shot First]

Sadly, it's EA and we all know they aren't mod friendly. :/
Unless they surprise us.

 

O/T, but then so is half this thread, so why not...

 

Where is the picture in your avatar from? Is that Andromeda concept art?

[Janus382]

What if they took the "Shepard" approach and made companion armors modular?  

 

For example, Miranda's (OR JACOBS) infamous catsuit as a base, with shoulder/breast/leg/helm pieces, etc.  With the option to hide said pieces, for those who don't really care.  

 

I'd personally love that, especially if it meant removing Jack's "Jordi" visor from what is otherwise an awesome and somewhat more appropriate outfit.  It'd take a lot more resources, given they'd have to be shaped and possibly unique to each companion... so I doubt it.  DAI did it somewhat, but didn't go far enough, imo.

[karushna5]

There's so many comments on this last few pages I would like, if I could, and I have no likes to give them.

 

 

This is, to a degree, how I feel. I believe that some people just want more realistic armor, but I'm also reasonably confident in feeling that for a lot of people a female character coming off as sexualized is, in itself, offensive to women.

 

To the former, we each have our own priorities in how true to life we want the game to be. I'm content to accept the space magic of the mass relays, and I'm also content to accept the idea of very protective, reinforced, form fitting material. To the latter, I respectfully disagree. I think there can be a difference between creating a sensual character, and creating an objectified character. 

 

I'm just as okay with Miranda's catsuit as I am with Vivienne's plunging neckline. 

 

But for the people who want something they find more believable, it's good when there are alternatives. 

 

I believe that sexy and sexualized are very different things. I don't find Miranda sexualized except when she talks about her sister and we look at her butt. That is taking a sexy character and making them sexualized. yeah she has angst and backstory but the most important thing is her butt is sexualizing. I also think it is sexualizing to have Samara have a plunging neckline because it is pretty OOC and seems like sure this is a mom on a mission who doesn't want sex because that caused her endless pain due to her kids, but ain't she sexy?

 

Jack, Vivienne, Miranda, Jacob, Liara, and Isabella can all be sexy without sexualized. I do think sexualized is a bad thing, but sexy is not. I only find sexy, sexualized in cases where it kinda flies aggainst their character.

[Pasquale1234]

It's so weird that they nailed it, as far as I'm concerned, in ME1. In 2007.
 
And yet, here we are.

Exactly. I've not seen the others, but the scene with Liara (and Ashley, too, I believe) was very sensual without avoiding nudity or being gratuitous. It also didn't overwrite my own imagination about how the details went down.

[OhNoWhyHow]

I also endorse the no underwear sex scene approach.  Though I think the best option is to have a mix of different romance types such as in DAI: some with explicit sex scenes, some with PG-13 scenes, and some with no scene at all. 

[Lady Artifice]

I believe that sexy and sexualized are very different things. I don't find Miranda sexualized except when she talks about her sister and we look at her butt. That is taking a sexy character and making them sexualized. yeah she has angst and backstory but the most important thing is her butt is sexualizing. I also think it is sexualizing to have Samara have a plunging neckline because it is pretty OOC and seems like sure this is a mom on a mission who doesn't want sex because that caused her endless pain due to her kids, but ain't she sexy?

 

Jack, Vivienne, Miranda, Jacob, Liara, and Isabella can all be sexy without sexualized. I do think sexualized is a bad thing, but sexy is not. I only find sexy, sexualized in cases where it kinda flies aggainst their character.

 

I don't have very strong feelings about the Samara situation. I can see where it comes off as ooc, but on the other hand, I think the concept of appropriate attire is supposed to work differently for Asari than it is for species with two sexes. The concept of modesty is social in the first place, and it seems natural to me that a species where every single person has the same parts would have a different approach to it, or that it wouldn't be a significant issue to begin with. 

 

One of the reasons why the Asari who accused Miranda of dressing "like a ******" weirded me out, in addition to successfully pissing me off. Why would someone from a species of all women have a mindset like that in the first place? 

 

In the same breath, I agree with you that they gave Samara her visible cleavage for fan service's sake, and that it doesn't have a lot to do with her character. It's just that, it doesn't interfere with how I perceive her. I don't feel strongly one way or the other.

 

The closeup of Miranda's bottom was literally, explicitly in your face. That moment assumed you were interesting in looking at Miranda's bottom. I agree with you that assumptions like that are probably best kept within the confines of a character's romance arc. That would seem more sensible, or at least less random. 

[Akrabra]

I always liked the Hahn Kedar armor.

 

 

Looks practical, no real difference between male and female version, and aesthetically inoffensive.  I personally only would have liked the cloth covering replaced with something a little more solid, but that's a minor gripe.

 

I would definitely like to see more armor with these qualities in the future.

My favorite armor in the game, it looks great and has a good feel to it. I wish more armors were modeled like that.

[TRWisco]

Oh, by all means, include catsuits and boob straps as alternate outfits in combat.  That's fine.  Just don't push the only practical combat armors into non-existence, or behind a paywall.  Choice is good.  I'm not advocating to remove that.

 

The butt-cam can go though...

 

Out of likes, but +1 to every response to the "prudes" assertion, and what seems to be the consensus on nudity.

NO!!! BUTT CAM STAY!!!!!!

[TRWisco]

I also endorse the no underwear sex scene approach.  Though I think the best option is to have a mix of different romance types such as in DAI: some with explicit sex scenes, some with PG-13 scenes, and some with no scene at all. 

 

There should be an option to have either or for each romance option? that would be cool. one dialouge option gets you the no under pants dance and the other gets you some touchy feely kiss and cuddle. Pleases both crowds at the same time.

[Majestic Jazz]

I believe that sexy and sexualized are very different things. I don't find Miranda sexualized except when she talks about her sister and we look at her butt. That is taking a sexy character and making them sexualized. yeah she has angst and backstory but the most important thing is her butt is sexualizing. I also think it is sexualizing to have Samara have a plunging neckline because it is pretty OOC and seems like sure this is a mom on a mission who doesn't want sex because that caused her endless pain due to her kids, but ain't she sexy?

 

Jack, Vivienne, Miranda, Jacob, Liara, and Isabella can all be sexy without sexualized. I do think sexualized is a bad thing, but sexy is not. I only find sexy, sexualized in cases where it kinda flies aggainst their character.

 

Good explanation. However I think being sexy versus sexualized is subjective to the person creating the opinion. Take this lady as an example:

 

 

Some would say that she is simply a sexy female in the way she looks and dresses, nothing offensive, just a sexy/attractive woman wearing clothes that makes her even more attractive, that is one side of the spectrum. Then you will have people who believe that she is being sexualized, that this is another example of how marketers use women to sell "sex" in order to draw a mass appeal to their product.

 

It is all about perspective and tolerance levels. 

[OhNoWhyHow]

There should be an option to have either or for each romance option? that would be cool. one dialouge option gets you the no under pants dance and the other gets you some touchy feely kiss and cuddle. Pleases both crowds at the same time.

 

While that would be great, I more meant that there is just wider variety in romances ranging from Iron Bull who has like 3 sex scenes or Sera with explicit full frontal to Cullen which is just some clothed shenanigans/fade to black to Solas which is no sex scene at all. 

[saladinbob]

This is, to a degree, how I feel. I believe that some people just want more realistic armor, but I'm also reasonably confident in feeling that for a lot of people a female character coming off as sexualized is considered, in itself, offensive to women.

 

Thing is, it depends upon the target audience doesn't it? For a mostly male audience, sex is going to sell. More precisely, sexy women are going to sell. Games, TV, Advertising and Movies all follow this concept. But like you and others suggest, having a variety of costumes, some sexy, some practical, would be the best option. 

[OhNoWhyHow]

Good explanation. However I think being sexy versus sexualized is subjective to the person creating the opinion. Take this lady as an example:

 

 

Some would say that she is simply a sexy female in the way she looks and dresses, nothing offensive, just a sexy/attractive woman wearing clothes that makes her even more attractive, that is one side of the spectrum. Then you will have people who believe that she is being sexualized, that this is another example of how marketers use women to sell "sex" in order to draw a mass appeal to their product.

 

It's not an on/off switch.  It's a spectrum.  That specific image is maybe like a 3 out of 10 on the sexualized spectrum.  Miranda is like a 6 or 7.  Something like Bayonetta would be a 10 (though to be fair I don't think Bayonetta takes itself seriously).  That poster everybody was analyzing earlier was like a 1 out of 10, if it was on the spectrum at all.

 

Don't take these numbers that seriously.  I'm not attempting to define some official scale - only to indicate that a scale exists.

[von uber]

You mean like an option on the settings screen?
Toggle violent gore (on by default)
Toggle naughty sexy funtime (off by default)

Obviously that is the U.S. version


That's a bit of humour, seriously calm down.


No really, it is. Even if it does have a kernel of truth - come join out liberated sexy European ways (with less gun deaths too!).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There should be an option to have either or for each romance option? that would be cool. one dialouge option gets you the no under pants dance and the other gets you some touchy feely kiss and cuddle. Pleases both crowds at the same time.

Yes, I would love that. Please don't make sex scenes mandatory for romances anymore and have equal replacement content if the player decides to not do the deed. 

[Shechinah]

One of the reasons why the Asari who accused Miranda of dressing "like a ******" weirded me out, in addition to successfully pissing me off. Why would someone from a species of all women have a mindset like that in the first place? 

 

It should be noted that Asari has spread to multiple worlds, likely adopted multiple cultures and even had they not, they are not a species with a singular racial mindset so I do not believe there is a reason for all asari to share the same opinion of certain matters. Additionally, the asari is from a criminal organization which primarily seem to wear armor so she may have meant it as a criticism of Miranda for wearing a skin-tight outfit that looks to provide little in terms of protection and so she drew the comparison between that and the stripperific outfit used by some of the asari in places like Afterlife on Omega regardless of whether or not they double as prostitutes.

 

She may also simply used it as an insult without caring about it. That is something that sometimes happens.

[Big Bad]

I will admit that I have not read most of this thread, so apologies if this has been suggested already.  Why not a compromise:

 

A)  No wildly out of place catsuits/bikinis in combat, as long as:

B )  Nobody showers/has sex while wearing underwear

[Lady Artifice]

It should be noted that Asari has spread to multiple worlds, likely adopted multiple cultures and even had they not, they are not a species with a singular racial mindset so I do not believe there is a reason for all asari to share the same opinion of certain matters. Additionally, the asari is from a criminal organization which primarily seem to wear armor so she may have meant it as a criticism of Miranda for wearing a skin-tight outfit that looks to provide little in terms of protection and so she drew the comparison between that and the stripperific outfit used by some of the asari in places like Afterlife on Omega regardless of whether or not they double as prostitutes.

 

She may also simply used it as an insult without caring about it. That is something that sometimes happens.

 

I understand this, but my immediate reaction to the scene was that the biology of an entire species should play some basic, intrinsic part in how they view societal standards of modesty. To me, her perspective came off as way too human considering Asari biology. 

 

I am willing to hand wave it as she was just looking for an easy insult to throw at Miranda. 

[Heimdall]

I think a lot of people here don't particularly mind if a female character wears sexy or revealing clothing on the ship.

 

They just wish female characters looked as protected as their male counterparts while running into a firefight, not wearing a breathing mask and a leather strap.

[WildOrchid]

O/T, but then so is half this thread, so why not...

 

Where is the picture in your avatar from? Is that Andromeda concept art?

 

Yep. With "effects".