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The overt oversexualization of ME2 and ME3 is one of the things that makes me think of ME1 much more fondly than it's sequels. The games got dumber and more juvenile with each installment and the butt-cam and robot camel-toe are glaring reminders of that fact.

 

ME1 had a nice 80s sci-fi atmosphere, which was sadly discarded in favor of michael bay action blockbuster and comic book nonsense in the sequels.


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Implying sci-fi can't do practicality 

 

With all the mythical and magical and crazy stuff we saw and can do in Mass Effect, people now want to jump on sexy female outfits cause they aren't...."realistic"? Sorry but this is just another borderline SJW perspective thread where a whole bunch of people want to jump on the idea of women being too sexualized in videogames. I mean, it is a VIDEOGAME. 

 

Does seeing an attractive female in a tight suit really offend you? If so, then I am sorry, move on to something else.

 

Call me whatever you want but I am a guy and I do not get offended over seeing women in sexy outfits. I can understand the argument against that sniper chick in MGS5 because that is supposed to be a game in a modern "today" setting and it is really out of place. But this is Mass Effect we are talking about with million year old robot gods, all female blue alien race that live for 1000 years, people with force-like powers called Biotics, and a protagonist who had his/her spaceship blown to space.....chocking for air in the middle of space.....feel to his/her death on the planet below and became hamburger meat.....and was "put back together".....

 

.....and yet we want to talk about practicality? 

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Its a Sci-Fi VIDEOGAME. Who cares about logic and practicality.
 
Seriously, if it were left to some people, ME:A would be.....nevermind....I don't want to get banned.


If unarmored outfits were the norm, you might have a point, but they're not. All of the militaries, mercenary companies, pirates, etc. wear armor if at all possible. That's why having things like Miranda in her catsuit in heavy combat or Jack in her...leather strap thing get as much grief as they do. That is a matter of internal consistency, which is something all stories need to have. You need to follow the rules you set out for a fictional universe. There's no issue if you wear things like catsuits or heels in situations where they're appropriate, but they aren't appropriate for Mass Effect combat.
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Weird. I never noticed the EDI Cameltoe you lot speak of.

I think anybody can be sexualised depending on what ones state of mind is. That's how fetishism starts.

For instance we have the "furry" phenomenon. While I think it's just plain ridiculous, people are turned on by it.

I have heard of people who are sexually aroused by nuns. Honest nuns don't have sex, but the innocence, the chaste and the effort to cover up with the nun outfit is a major turn on for some.

This is why it's difficult for me to fully wrap my head around "overly sexualized" "tasteful" et al.  I mean this is subjective opinions.  What one person finds tasteful another may consider too freaky or strange. What one considers sexualized another may not have even paid it any thought. 
Or maybe I'm just desensitized to the point where I just blindly gloss over it onto the stuff I really like.  Heck I barely noticed the pose of the woman beside the man that Tumblr "fixed". lol!

 

Speaking of things that aren't supposed to be sexualized but still are.  Hijab porn exists.



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The overt oversexualization of ME2 and ME3 is one of the things that makes me think of ME1 much more fondly than it's sequels. The games got dumber and more juvenile with each installment and the butt-cam and robot camel-toe are glaring reminders of that fact.

 

Absolutely right.

ME1 was a reasonably mature 80's sci-fi homage. ME2 and ME3 were juvenile comicbook-level Michael Bay products with pulp schlock writing. 


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With all the mythical and magical and crazy stuff we saw and can do in Mass Effect, people now want to jump on sexy female outfits cause they aren't...."realistic"? Sorry but this is just another borderline SJW perspective thread where a whole bunch of people want to jump on the idea of women being too sexualized in videogames. I mean, it is a VIDEOGAME. 

 

Does seeing an attractive female in a tight suit really offend you? If so, then I am sorry, move on to something else.

 

Call me whatever you want but I am a guy and I do not get offended over seeing women in sexy outfits. I can understand the argument against that sniper chick in MGS5 because that is supposed to be a game in a modern "today" setting and it is really out of place. But this is Mass Effect we are talking about with million year old robot gods, all female blue alien race that live for 1000 years, people with force-like powers called Biotics, and a protagonist who had his/her spaceship blown to space.....chocking for air in the middle of space.....feel to his/her death on the planet below and became hamburger meat.....and was "put back together".....

 

.....and yet we want to talk about practicality? 

 

Well you do gotta point there. :lol:



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With all the mythical and magical and crazy stuff we saw and can do in Mass Effect, people now want to jump on sexy female outfits cause they aren't...."realistic"? Sorry but this is just another borderline SJW perspective thread where a whole bunch of people want to jump on the idea of women being too sexualized in videogames. I mean, it is a VIDEOGAME. 

 

Does seeing an attractive female in a tight suit really offend you? If so, then I am sorry, move on to something else.

 


You didn't even bother reading the thread did you?

 

Nobody said they had an issue with it as casual wear, but in a combat situation it does look stupid which is why the OP ask for more combat outfits, has nothing to do with "SJW perspective" that people like jumping too 



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The ME2/3 female squadmates would feel right at home in Dead or Alive.

 

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With all the mythical and magical and crazy stuff we saw and can do in Mass Effect, people now want to jump on sexy female outfits cause they aren't...."realistic"? Sorry but this is just another borderline SJW perspective thread where a whole bunch of people want to jump on the idea of women being too sexualized in videogames. I mean, it is a VIDEOGAME. 

 

Does seeing an attractive female in a tight suit really offend you? If so, then I am sorry, move on to something else.

 

Call me whatever you want but I am a guy and I do not get offended over seeing women in sexy outfits. I can understand the argument against that sniper chick in MGS5 because that is supposed to be a game in a modern "today" setting and it is really out of place. But this is Mass Effect we are talking about with million year old robot gods, all female blue alien race that live for 1000 years, people with force-like powers called Biotics, and a protagonist who had his/her spaceship blown to space.....chocking for air in the middle of space.....feel to his/her death on the planet below and became hamburger meat.....and was "put back together".....

 

.....and yet we want to talk about practicality? 

 

 

They're both science fiction settings, so if one doesn't get a pass on practicality, the other doesn't either. I don't think you've ever played MGS, because you'd know it's every bit as outlandish as any science fiction universe, despite its contemporary technology.

 

As for practicality, yes, it's important. Creating a believable space is important to the immersion of the game. That's why you don't randomly see people on the Normandy walking around in bunny-eared flip flops.


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I vote for Bunny Ear pink fuzzy slippers for causal wear. 


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Regarding armor, perfection for me would be the devs finding a balance in ME:A between what ME1 and ME2/ME3 did right.

 

Basically the practical appearance of ME1's designs (full coverage & helmets) combined with the ME2/ME3 approach where squadmates had unique armor designs that reflected their personalities or backstories, and where there was more differences between the various armor sets than just a paint scheme.

 

Also characters shedding armor for civilian clothing or military uniforms when off duty, and where appropriate.


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You didn't even bother reading the thread did you?

 

Nobody said they had an issue with it as casual wear, but in a combat situation it does look stupid which is why the OP ask for more combat outfits, has nothing to do with "SJW perspective" that people like jumping too 

 

 

A lot of stuff in Mass Effect looks stupid/out of place/unrealistic. But guess what? It is a videogame!

 

Seriously whats next?



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With all the mythical and magical and crazy stuff we saw and can do in Mass Effect, people now want to jump on sexy female outfits cause they aren't...."realistic"? Sorry but this is just another borderline SJW perspective thread where a whole bunch of people want to jump on the idea of women being too sexualized in videogames. I mean, it is a VIDEOGAME. 

 

Does seeing an attractive female in a tight suit really offend you? If so, then I am sorry, move on to something else.

 

Call me whatever you want but I am a guy and I do not get offended over seeing women in sexy outfits. I can understand the argument against that sniper chick in MGS5 because that is supposed to be a game in a modern "today" setting and it is really out of place. But this is Mass Effect we are talking about with million year old robot gods, all female blue alien race that live for 1000 years, people with force-like powers called Biotics, and a protagonist who had his/her spaceship blown to space.....chocking for air in the middle of space.....feel to his/her death on the planet below and became hamburger meat.....and was "put back together".....

 

.....and yet we want to talk about practicality? 

 

 

 

If you know me you'd also know that I hate SJW's and anything about that politically correct BS.

 

Look at Halo. Sci fi game. You dont see female characters running around in high heels. You dont see them running around in catsuits. Aside from Cortana who is an AI, all the characters dress like they should in a warzone. ME1 was good in this regard too. So why is it necessary for characters to wear stupid outfits again? Why is it necessary for a character to have their eyes out in space so that we can see their beautiful faces? 

 

OH! Right. There isnt


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Aside from Cortana who is an AI, all the characters dress like they should in a warzone.

Cortana also has a good in-lore reasoning for her appearance. 



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The original picture uses the pose to make a stronger distinction between a male and female human. Your picture just shows a small and a larger human. IMO a clear step backwards.

 

Yes, because the boob cups don't clearly indicate that she's a woman.


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RIP Cortana.


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RIP Cortana.

I get the feeling we haven't seen the last of her. 



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*Thinks of ME1 armor*

 

On second thought, I'm fine with anything for my squad mates...even skimpy armor. 

 

If it keeps the devs from creating this again.

 

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Several examples of female characters in Halo, none over sexualized, yet the same can't be said for any major female character in ME2-3

 

Numerous examples 


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If unarmored outfits were the norm, you might have a point, but they're not. All of the militaries, mercenary companies, pirates, etc. wear armor if at all possible. That's why having things like Miranda in her catsuit in heavy combat or Jack in her...leather strap thing get as much grief as they do. That is a matter of internal consistency, which is something all stories need to have. You need to follow the rules you set out for a fictional universe. There's no issue if you wear things like catsuits or heels in situations where they're appropriate, but they aren't appropriate for Mass Effect combat.

 

You know why I believe this is a borderline feminist argument? Because NOBODY has brought up the point of Jacob's combat outfit, or Thane's combat outfit BOTH of which have sexualized tones to them and are ALSO out of place but yet nobody mentions them....because they aren't female.

 

This thread would have had more creditbility if the OP didn't specifically bring up catsuits and high heels. To me, this is just another attempt to talk about the concept of women in videogames. Yes a few people brought up Jacob's suit, but that does not seem the be the main focus. The main focus seems to be sexy Edi outfits, Miranda's butt cam, and the debate about was Jack sexualized or not. Again, what about Thane's non armor combat outfit? What about Jacob's buldge outfit? 

 

Say what you want but this thread IS more about women's portrayal versus a serious conversation about realistic representations of characters in combat. 


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*Thinks of ME1 armor*

 

On second thought, I'm fine with anything for my squad mates...even skimpy armor. 

 

If it keeps the devs from creating this again.

 

 

 

My dad owns a t-shirt that says, "Real men wear pink."  If anything, seeing a krogan in pink or white armor would make me less inclined to mess with them.  Rather like a guy named Sue.  :P

 

Jokes aside, I agree that both the armor style and the inventory system in ME1 was iffy.  The former was...eh, but the latter was a clusterbomb.


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I get the feeling we haven't seen the last of her. 

 

If you watch the sprint series on the Halo Channel, there is a scene with motion capture that follows this script:

 

Halsey: “I tried to warn you this was happening.”
Lasky: “He’s gone in search of her.”
Halsey: “You let him go?”
Roland: “How is it that--”
Palmer: “Nobody lets the Chief do anything. He does what he wants.”
Lasky: “Until zero-thirty-six this morning where he was declared absent without leave.”
Roland: “This isn’t about the Master Chief...”
Halsey: “John is not equipped emotionally to deal with her as a threat.”
Roland: “HEY! Is anyone going to listen to me?”
Lasky: “You’re out of line, Roland.”
Roland: “Yes sir, but so is everyone else!

 

I don't think it's the last we've seen of Cortana at all.



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If you know me you'd also know that I hate SJW's and anything about that politically correct BS.

 

Look at Halo. Sci fi game. You dont see female characters running around in high heels. You dont see them running around in catsuits. Aside from Cortana who is an AI, all the characters dress like they should in a warzone. ME1 was good in this regard too. So why is it necessary for characters to wear stupid outfits again? Why is it necessary for a character to have their eyes out in space so that we can see their beautiful faces? 

 

OH! Right. There isnt

 

Halo is its own game in its own universe with it's own logic. Halo does not also have a all female sexy alien race or Biotics.

 

The only thing they have in common is that they are space sci-fi. Heros in Star Wars went to war in brown robes, so does that mean that should be carried over to Mass Effect? 


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You know why I believe this is a borderline feminist argument? Because NOBODY has brought up the point of Jacob's combat outfit, or Thane's combat outfit BOTH of which have sexualized tones to them and are ALSO out of place but yet nobody mentions them....because they aren't female.

 

This thread would have had more creditbility if the OP didn't specifically bring up catsuits and high heels. To me, this is just another attempt to talk about the concept of women in videogames. Yes a few people brought up Jacob's suit, but that does not seem the be the main focus. The main focus seems to be sexy Edi outfits, Miranda's butt cam, and the debate about was Jack sexualized or not. Again, what about Thane's non armor combat outfit? What about Jacob's buldge outfit? 

 

Say what you want but this thread IS more about women's portrayal versus a serious conversation about realistic representations of characters in combat. 

 

If you read my OP, you'd notice that I didnt specify between male and female. When I said Spandex, I was referring to both Miranda AND Jacobs outfits. Go read my post again before you post more rubbish.


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If you watch the sprint series on the Halo Channel, there is a scene with motion capture that follows this script:

 

Halsey: “I tried to warn you this was happening.”
Lasky: “He’s gone in search of her.”
Halsey: “You let him go?”
Roland: “How is it that--”
Palmer: “Nobody lets the Chief do anything. He does what he wants.”
Lasky: “Until zero-thirty-six this morning where he was declared absent without leave.”
Roland: “This isn’t about the Master Chief...”
Halsey: “John is not equipped emotionally to deal with her as a threat.”
Roland: “HEY! Is anyone going to listen to me?”
Lasky: “You’re out of line, Roland.”
Roland: “Yes sir, but so is everyone else!

 

I don't think it's the last we've seen of Cortana at all.

 

Where dat from?