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[Pasquale1234]

The difference with vega is that his design promotes power and strength - they didn't put nipples on him for example.
Hard to explain but it is more of a 'positive ' sexuality, less leering.

Strength, power, discipline, tenacity, athleticism, excellence on the battlefield - those are the sorts of characteristics implied in Vega's presentation.

Had he been sexualized the way female characters are, he would have had tight pants with a super-shapely ass and very prominent package - neither of which he had.

[SnakeCode]

Strength, power, discipline, tenacity, athleticism, excellence on the battlefield - those are the sorts of characteristics implied in Vega's presentation.

Had he been sexualized the way female characters are, he would have had tight pants with a super-shapely ass and very prominent package - neither of which he had.

 

All of those things sexualise him. Those traits just happen to be some of the things that women tend to find attractive in men. That's the point, men aren't sexualised the same way women are, because what makes men attractive to women isn't the same as what makes women attractive to men. 

 

People need to stop this kind of false equivalence. Just because a guy isn't scantily clad and the camera doesn't linger on his ass doesn't mean that he isn't sexualised. 

[Pasquale1234]

All of those things sexualise him. Those traits just happen to be some of the things that women tend to find attractive in men. That's the point, men aren't sexualised the same way women are, because what makes men attractive to women isn't the same as what makes women attractive to men.

Gross generalization that assumes male characters are there only for females and vice-versa.

(and it sounds a lot like the old women give sex to get a husband to take care of them. and men's only interest in women is that they qualify as fuckable)
 

People need to stop this kind of false equivalence. Just because a guy isn't scantily clad and the camera doesn't linger on his ass doesn't mean that he isn't sexualised.

Yes, because women aren't interested in sex for its own sake.

[SnakeCode]

Gross generalization that assumes male characters are there only for females and vice-versa.

(and it sounds a lot like the old women give sex to get a husband to take care of them)
 

Yes, because women aren't interested in sex for its own sake.

 

Lol what? How on earth did you get that from my post? I said that women and men tend to like different qualities in the opposite sex. That is all.

[Pasquale1234]

Lol what? How on earth did you get that from my post? I said that women and men tend to like different qualities in the opposite sex. That is all.

Maybe you need to take a look at where that belief comes from, and realize that it is a gross generalization and stereotype, based on a whole boatload of assumptions about sex and gender roles.

[SnakeCode]

Maybe you need to take a look at where that belief comes from, and realize that it is a gross generalization and stereotype.

 

No it isn't it's biology.

[Heathen Oxman]

Welll....

 

I'm not the best judge of whether a character is "sexualized" or not, but I'm going to venture that videogame characters are "idealized."

 

It's the result of videogames being largely escapist fantasy.  Traditionally, it's been male escapist fantasy, but it's slowly becoming more possible for women to get their bad_ss on.

[Pasquale1234]

No it isn't it's biology.

No it isn't, it's a cultural belief and social conditioning based on a patriarchal history. A badass N7 is quite capable of taking care of not only herself, but a lot of other people, too - including Vega. She doesn't need to look for protection or economic support from a mate - which is the entire basis of your traditional belief.

It's also generalization. Individuals are attracted to different characteristics.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Gross generalization that assumes male characters are there only for females and vice-versa.

(and it sounds a lot like the old women give sex to get a husband to take care of them. and men's only interest in women is that they qualify as fuckable)
 

Yes, because women aren't interested in sex for its own sake.

Maybe you need to take a look at where that belief comes from, and realize that it is a gross generalization and stereotype, based on a whole boatload of assumptions about sex and gender roles.

wat is dis I don't even

[Panda]

I don't find Vega sexualised. He looks like bodybuilder with those big muscles and tight shirt that shows them off. Bodybuilding by default isn't sexy and nor are big muscles. Some might find them sexy, but some might find lean build with little no muscles sexy. I just think Vega's hobby is big part of his character and Bioware wanted to show that.

 

I don't find Jacobs outfit sexualised either as I don't find Miranda's (butt-shots are another thing). They are tight, but completely okay for me, maybe not best for battle, but normal in ship at least.

 

From guys I'd say that Thane's outfit with "cleavage" is bit sexualised though it has lore-explanation in game. I don't find his outfit too sexualised though, some might disagree.

[SnakeCode]

No it isn't, it's a cultural belief and social conditioning based on a patriarchal history.

It's also generalization. Individuals are attracted to different characteristics.

 

Oh noes. You done gone dropped the P word. This is the point where I know there is no reasonable discussion to be had. When you think Biology is social conditioning and believe in the patriarchy myth. Radfem detected.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

From guys I'd say that Thane's outfit with "cleavage" is bit sexualised though it has lore-explanation in game. I don't find his outfit too sexualised though, some might disagree.

Thane was supposed to be sexualized. I think it is mentioned in the concept art book of ME2. They said that they wanted Thane to be alien but also sexy and attractive to women since he was going to be a LI. I don't mind his clothing, he's an assassin that infiltrates places and I don't think that loose clothing is appropriate for such things. 

[Pasquale1234]

Oh noes. You done gone dropped the P word. This is the point where I know there is no reasonable discussion to be had. When you think Biology is social conditioning and believe in the patriarchy myth. Radfem detected.

Yes, because patriarchy is a myth, put forth by radical feminists. 
 

And stereotypes and generalizations are biology.

 

And women are supposed to look for strength, power, dominance in a mate to assure protection and economic support of their families.  They can't possibly be interested in actual sexual characteristics, like packages.

[Mcfly616]

 All the ME2 LI's were "supposed" to be over-sexualized. That's just the crap aesthetic they went for. No point in singling out just one of them. They're all clad in either patent leather or spandex leotards whilst charging into battle. Ridiculously asinine.

 

 

It's as if someone on the art/character design team had a serious anime fetish during development.

[Panda]

Thane was supposed to be sexualized. I think it is mentioned in the concept art book of ME2. They said that they wanted Thane to be alien but also sexy and attractive to women since he was going to be a LI. I don't mind his clothing, he's an assassin that infiltrates places and I don't think that loose clothing is appropriate for such things. 

 

Yes that seemed to be purpose. Now I do think ME team was subtle enough with it without making Thane a fanservice character with ridiculously sexy outfit. I also think it fits to him and his job as assassin.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Ugh, let's forget about the damned patriarchy and the argument that men are sexualized in the same way a females. Here is a gif of Shepard dancing.

Now everyone calm down and have fun. 

[Han Shot First]

Yeah because an extremely skin tight T-shirt is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

 

 

 

 

...or not.

 

No. Every other Alliance soldier wears this: 

 

The t-shirt that Vega was wearing is actually realistic. T-shirts are worn under utilities (the uniforms pictured above), and they are designed to be tight. 

 

Also it is common for people in the military to remove the blouse (the shirt worn on top of that t-shirt) when at work or just lounging around, since it is more comfortable. The only exception is in cold climates.

 

When Shepard goes to visit Vega he is usually either working out or working on weapons at the armory. Those are two occasions where it would be realistic to just be wearing the utilities trousers & the t-shirt.

 

For comparison, a real world Marine cleaning a rifle:

 

Spoiler

 

I have to disagree with those arguing Vega is sexualized. He isn't.

[Avilan II]

And, most important, he doesn't wear said shirt on combat. He wear a complete professional armour and elmet.

 

So does Ash.

The whole "Catsuit" argument is not only false because it is far from a catsuit, but it is also false because she only wears that in combat if you make her.

[Avilan II]

Her hair could get her killed or she could catch some nasty disease thanks to that during a war.

 

I am sure she pulls the hair back in actual combat training. That was not the argument at hand though.

As for nasty disease? What are you talking about?

 

 

Strength, power, discipline, tenacity, athleticism, excellence on the battlefield - those are the sorts of characteristics implied in Vega's presentation.

Had he been sexualized the way female characters are, he would have had tight pants with a super-shapely ass and very prominent package - neither of which he had.

 

 

Of course he is so overly muscled that he really signals slowness. He is way too muscular to be good in combat.

On the other hand, as is pointed out above, he also fits what some women find attractive.

[9TailsFox]

Yes, because patriarchy is a myth, put forth by radical feminists. 
 

And stereotypes and generalizations are biology.

 

And women are supposed to look for strength, power, dominance in a mate to assure protection and economic support of their families.  They can't possibly be interested in actual sexual characteristics, like packages.

Exectly.

 

What you expect pregnant women to get food do all the hard work. And man do what, jobs done just sit.

In our specie women caring baby, man take care for them and provide food simply biology.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Vega is attractive (if you are into sculpted bodies) and sexy (if you go for his type). He is not sexualized though.

[Avilan II]

Vega is attractive (if you are into sculpted bodies) and sexy (if you go for his type). He is not sexualized though.

So who, except Thane, are sexualized then?

[Han Shot First]

 

Of course he is so overly muscled that he really signals slowness. He is way too muscular to be good in combat.

On the other hand, as is pointed out above, he also fits what some women find attractive.

 

This is also incorrect.

 

I served with a guy who was as big as Vega. His shape is no way unrealistic for someone in the military.

[AresKeith]

If Vega is sexualized then that's the most tame and realistic sexualization  

 

So who, except Thane, are sexualized then?

 

Jacob would be considered that 

[Xen]

So now this thread is arguing that fully covered bubble people are "hypersexualized" and their body armor is actually a corset? Well then, it's clear what must be done for character design in ME:A to ensure that no oversexualization can occur.



Or are the hands and feet too risque?