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[Han Shot First]

If Vega is sexualized then that's the most tame and realistic sexualization  

 

I think in the last few pages people are starting to confuse any feature which might be considered attractive by some as sexualization.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

Strength, power, discipline, tenacity, athleticism, excellence on the battlefield - those are the sorts of characteristics implied in Vega's presentation.

Had he been sexualized the way female characters are, he would have had tight pants with a super-shapely ass and very prominent package - neither of which he had.

I would pay to see that

[Panda]

Exectly.

 

What you expect pregnant women to get food do all the hard work. And man do what, jobs done just sit.

In our specie women caring baby, man take care for them and provide food simply biology.

 

I guess it's good that we aren't anymore in those times.

 

 

On the other hand, as is pointed out above, he also fits what some women find attractive.

 

That would be case of pretty much any character. Cassandra fits to what some men find attractive and so does Merrill. Anders and Cullen what some women find attractive as well. Does this makes them sexualised as well? Attractive doesn't mean automatically that character is oversexualised.

[Pasquale1234]

Exectly.

 

What you expect pregnant women to get food do all the hard work. And man do what, jobs done just sit.

In our specie women caring baby, man take care for them and provide food simply biology.

 

Thanks for supporting my point.

 

Beliefs about what men versus women find sexy are largely based on social conditioning, sex and gender role expectations, etc.  The roles you describe have become much less prevalent in many parts of the world today, and likely even moreso in the future world in which MEU is set.
 

[Quarian Master Race]

We're complaining about curves now? C'mon guys, this is ridiculous. 

At this rate every female character with a stereotypically attractive trait is going to listed as being sexualized. It's best just to nip this in the bud now before we have people complaining about Kahlee Sanders being sexualized because she has blonde hair.

Well that one's just obvious. What is she with that hair, a Playboy bunny?

What I'm interested in is how no one has pointed out the extreme hypersexualization of Legion yet. I mean, look at its figure!



It has both an unrealistic waist-hip ratio and waist-chest ratio. It's pansexually hypersexualized!

[Han Shot First]

People seem to be conflating the terms "sexy" and "sexualized." Which is honestly an easy mistake to make if all you see are the extremes of an argument.

 

I understand the point being made about Tali's changes in that it wasn't necessary to further exaggerate her hip-waist ratio. She already looked perfectly feminine.

That said, I agree with those above. I don't believe this counts as sexualization. Sexy? Yes. Being sexy is fine. Being modest is fine. Being anywhere in between is fine. Sexualization has less to do with how someone looks as how it's presented. Miranda in a catsuit? Sexy. Miranda's catsuited wedgie taking up half the screen in every conversation? Sexualization.

 

EDIT: Or at least, that's how I understand it. I may be wrong.

 

EDIT2: Because I want to make clear, someone fully clothed can be sexualized just as easily as someone wearing less. It works both ways. It's just that it's clothes + context (and in media, things like pose, camera angle, etc.), not clothes by themselves. To go swimming you should be able to wear a swimsuit without being accused of immodesty. Likewise, it's a terrible idea to go into a combat situation in high heels.

 

The above deserves a repost. 

[Star fury]

I am sure she pulls the hair back in actual combat training. That was not the argument at hand though.

As for nasty disease? What are you talking about?

 

Then what was the point of showing long female hair in the army?

 

Google parasites.

[DaemionMoadrin]

So who, except Thane, are sexualized then?

 

Sexualization (or sexualisation) is to make something sexual in character or quality, or to become aware of sexuality, especially in relation to men and women. Sexualization is linked to sexual objectification. According to the American Psychological Association, sexualization occurs when "individuals are regarded as sex objects and evaluated in terms of their physical characteristics and sexiness."

"In study after study, findings have indicated that women more often than men are portrayed in a sexual manner (e.g., dressed in revealing clothing, with bodily postures or facial expressions that imply sexual readiness) and are objectified (e.g., used as a decorative object, or as body parts rather than a whole person). In addition, a narrow (and unrealistic) standard of physical beauty is heavily emphasized.

 

That is the definition.

 

When people think of Miranda, a high percentage will think "Dat ass!" ... which is a perfect example for sexualization.

 

I'd rather not try to analyze how much this applies to James, Jacob or Thane since I'm not qualified to talk about attraction to male characters.

 

You could make a case for each of them but they aren't objectified in the same manner as Miranda, Samara and EDI.

[Kakistos_]

I agree with the OP. I have no issue with nudity or skimpy male AND female casual outfits but running onto a battlefield wearing a skin tight cat suit and stiletto heels is simply ridiculous. Human or Asari.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I agree with the OP. I have no issue with nudity or skimpy male AND female casual outfits but running onto a battlefield wearing a skin tight cat suit and stiletto heels is simply ridiculous. Human or Asari.

 

Liked for content and you also get a honorary like for your avatar. Daria is awesome.

[SnakeCode]

The above deserves a repost. 

 

I agree. I'm seeing the same arguments I saw in the 'Bring back Boobplate' thread. People jump from "I personally don't find this character sexy" to "Well, I don't find this character sexy, therefore he/she isn't sexualised." It's ridiculous.

 

There is a great deal of overlap between "sexy" and "sexualised" because sexualisation, in essence, emphasises what's already considered to be attractive traits in that particular gender. It focuses on those aspects more so than is the norm.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I agree. I'm seeing the same arguments I saw in the 'Bring back Boobplate' thread. People jump from "I personally don't find this character sexy" to "Well, I don't find this character sexy, therefore he/she isn't sexualised." It's ridiculous.

 

There is a great deal of overlap between "sexy" and "sexualised" because sexualisation, in essence, emphasises what's already considered to be attractive traits in that particular gender. It focuses on those aspects more so than is the norm.

 

Exactly. And since it is at least partly subjective, it is hard to define where exactly the boundaries between sexy and sexualized are.

[Awkward Octopus]

All those positive traits mentioned - power, discipline, tenacity, athleticism - can be what makes someone potentially sexy to someone else. That is absolutely not the same thing as the sexualization going on with some of the women characters. That is not being sexualized.

Some women often find those things appealing, yes. No argument. But this brings up two points:

1. This doesn't mean that women wouldn't appreciate eye candy, they just never get to comment on it because... nobody seems to be successful at making any with them in mind. Which is not a big surprise when your dev team is all or mostly men. So women make it themselves. Which is partly how you get such huge fanart/fanfic communities.

2. It's incredibly unfortunate that apparently women can't be found attractive for traits like discipline, tenacity and athleticism in the same way as men are apparently supposed to be. It actually really sucks.

That second point is what I think we're asking for more of. Have your idealized role-model worthy men if we get to have women portrayed the same way.

Have both. Whatever. Just be fair and have them all in the right context is all I ask.

[Quarian Master Race]

The t-shirt that Vega was wearing is actually realistic. T-shirts are worn under utilities (the uniforms pictured above), and they are designed to be tight. 

 

Also it is common for people in the military to remove the blouse (the shirt worn on top of that t-shirt) when at work or just lounging around, since it is more comfortable. The only exception is in cold climates.

 

When Shepard goes to visit Vega he is usually either working out or working on weapons at the armory. Those are two occasions where it would be realistic to just be wearing the utilities trousers & the t-shirt.

 

For comparison, a real world Marine cleaning a rifle:

 

Spoiler

 

I have to disagree with those arguing Vega is sexualized. He isn't.

Yeah, that's just extreme grasping at straws. Vega's build perfectly fits his job description, and he only wears the broshirt off duty and out of combat, not while arm wrestling Brutes to death. He doesn't even cut the sleeves and sides out out like most modern bros do, and the camera doesn't leer at his pecs, face completely out of view while he's holding a conversation.

Not at all comparable to sprinting about in combat over rough terrain in 3' heels, inexplicable D cups showing through the boob window in your "armor".

[In Exile]

That second point is what I think we're asking for more of. Have your idealized role-model worthy men if we get to have women portrayed the same way.

The issue - and a lot of men try to make this point, though they do it badly - is that just because "the culture" ™ dictates that some particular appearance is what men should idealize and that those physical models should be role-models is different from men seeing them that way. To put it differently, these idealized images also create body image issues, and the right way to tackle the issue is to point out that there's a universal problem here that just differentially impacts gender.

[RevilFox]

I agree with the OP. I have no issue with nudity or skimpy male AND female casual outfits but running onto a battlefield wearing a skin tight cat suit and stiletto heels is simply ridiculous. Human or Asari.

I think, after reading through much of this thread, what I'd really like is to be able to armor up the squad like in ME1, but when either on the ship or in a non combat situation (like in a town/space station where combat is not expected), each character including the PC has a number of different casual clothing options. You get to choose your own (and have a much greater variety, ranging from professional, to comfortable, to sexual), while your companions have three or four outfits that fit their personality.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The t-shirt that Vega was wearing is actually realistic. T-shirts are worn under utilities (the uniforms pictured above), and they are designed to be tight. 

 

Also it is common for people in the military to remove the blouse (the shirt worn on top of that t-shirt) when at work or just lounging around, since it is more comfortable. The only exception is in cold climates.

 

When Shepard goes to visit Vega he is usually either working out or working on weapons at the armory. Those are two occasions where it would be realistic to just be wearing the utilities trousers & the t-shirt.

 

For comparison, a real world Marine cleaning a rifle:

 

Spoiler

 

I have to disagree with those arguing Vega is sexualized. He isn't.

I was just pointing out that Vega was not wearing standard Alliance apparel like the other poster said. 

[shit's fucked cunts]

extreme hypersexualization of Legion

 

Congrats on being the first unique string of words I've experienced in my three years on this forum.

[Panda]

I don't think Vega has qualities that are known to be sexy to women. He's sexy for some for sure, but bodybuilding and big muscles known as sth that women find sexy? Not really.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I don't think Vega has qualities that are known to be sexy to women. He's sexy for some for sure, but bodybuilding and big muscles known as sth that women find sexy? Not really.

 

If you mean physical qualities, sure.

 

I'd consider his confidence, easy-going attitude and his humour as qualities that make him sexy.

[Han Shot First]

I was just pointing out that Vega was not wearing standard Alliance apparel like the other poster said. 

 

He is, though. Its just that the standard Alliance apparel you see is the uniform undershirt. T-shirts are part of the uniform issue. His t-shirt even has some sort of military logo on it.

[AresKeith]

I was just pointing out that Vega was not wearing standard Alliance apparel like the other poster said. 

 

Standard Alliance uniform is boring

 

That's why I wanted Ash to wear something like this

 

[In Exile]

If you mean physical qualities, sure.

 

I'd consider his confidence, easy-going attitude and his humour as qualities that make him sexy.

 

But in a thread about appearance, and sexualization, the look is what's at issue. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He is, though. Its just that the standard Alliance apparel you see is the uniform undershirt. T-shirts are part of the uniform issue. His t-shirt even has some sort of military logo on it.

No, the undershirt has a different look and texture to it than James'. 

 

It's Alliance apparel, but not standard Alliance apparel. 

[Panda]

If you mean physical qualities, sure.

 

I'd consider his confidence, easy-going attitude and his humour as qualities that make him sexy.

 

I mean physical qualities yes. I don't think personality traits has been yet claimed to be sth oversexualising XD