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[Avilan II]

 

This is somewhat realistic photo of a woman in the military(if you ignore the fact that one of the hottest Hollywood actresses Demi Moore played a soldier). I'm all for women in ME Andromeda to be portrayed like that but will female gamers like it?

 

As others have pointed out the whole shaving thing is not only mostly for males, but also, I might add, not at all that common among western military forces except the US since it's main purpose is part of the degradation of new recruits to break down their independence and then mold them into soldiers. Most western military forces use positive instead of negative reinforcement etc these days (well as positive you can get after running with full equipment thru mud  being yelled on, but you know).

[Star fury]

My bigger issue is internal consistency. It's difficult to argue realism.

Every combatant we face throughout the series is wearing armor, as are all of the allied troops in ME3. For Shepard to take people who aren't properly attired into hazardous situations makes Shepard look like every bit the doofus as those squadmates who don't choose proper combat attire.
 

There are some statements made in ME2 that Cerberus spent most of its resources building the SR-2 and bringing Shepard back. Apparently, they managed to get their hands on massive amounts of fresh funding in preparation for ME3. 

 

In any case, if Cerberus did have the ability to create better catsuits, wouldn't their resident assassin / ninja ballet master be using one?  Kai Leng wore actual protective armor, with reinforced plates.  Most Cerberus mooks wore very heavy armors - even the phantoms had fully protective, albeit lighter, armor.

Yeah, Cerberus in ME3 was a calamity without any realistic explanation. Biower wanted to have human enemies and went totally over the top with them, I mean Cerberus had fleet of goddamn cruisers, thousands and thousands of genetically enhanced soldiers rivalling krogans, salarians and even fighting the Reapers.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Yeah, Cerberus in ME3 was a calamity without any realistic explanation. Biower wanted to have human enemies and went totally over the top with them, I mean Cerberus had fleet of goddamn cruisers, thousands and thousands of genetically enhanced soldiers rivalling krogans, salarians and even fighting the Reapers.

 

Cerberus existing and having those kinds of resources was still more realistic than ... well, a lot of other things in ME3.

 

Only 3% of all humans are in the military. It's not that unbelievable that Cerberus could recruit 1-2% themselves. They also used Reaper tech to turn unwilling victims into shock troops, so in that regard their numbers make sense.

The cruisers ... yeah. Cerberus had some of the wealthiest people in the galaxy back them and money makes a lot of things possible. Especially if the same people who build ships for the System's Alliance are in Cerberus' pocket, too.

 

Is it likely that they managed those massive undertakings without being noticed? Nope. No way.

But it would be possible to have such an army on standby, even if the timeframe is very tight.

[Grieving Natashina]

As others have pointed out the whole shaving thing is not only mostly for males, but also, I might add, not at all that common among western military forces except the US since it's main purpose is part of the degradation of new recruits to break down their independence and then mold them into soldiers. Most western military forces use positive instead of negative reinforcement etc these days (well as positive you can get after running with full equipment thru mud  being yelled on, but you know).

I live near a big Air Force base, which also has areas for the Navy, Marines and Army.  This is just my observation, but I've noticed more women with either shorter hair (usually near the shoulders) or in a ponytail/bun than with shaved heads.  I used to work at a gas station and I'd see men and women during shift change all the time.  Most women didn't have their heads shaved in the AF, Navy or Army.  I did see a few women Marines like that, but even most of them had either shorter hair or kept it in a tight bun/ponytail.

[X Equestris]

Cerberus existing and having those kinds of resources was still more realistic than ... well, a lot of other things in ME3.
 
Only 3% of all humans are in the military. It's not that unbelievable that Cerberus could recruit 1-2% themselves. They also used Reaper tech to turn unwilling victims into shock troops, so in that regard their numbers make sense.
The cruisers ... yeah. Cerberus had some of the wealthiest people in the galaxy back them and money makes a lot of things possible. Especially if the same people who build ships for the System's Alliance are in Cerberus' pocket, too.
 
Is it likely that they managed those massive undertakings without being noticed? Nope. No way.
But it would be possible to have such an army on standby, even if the timeframe is very tight.

A bigger issue that I have with Cerberus is that the Turians launch a crushing offensive against them before Mass Effect 3.

[Han Shot First]

I think Israeli women are allowed to keep their hair long while in the military. Or at least that is how it seems...

 

Spoiler

 

[Alan Rickman]

As others have pointed out the whole shaving thing is not only mostly for males, but also, I might add, not at all that common among western military forces except the US since it's main purpose is part of the degradation of new recruits to break down their independence and then mold them into soldiers. Most western military forces use positive instead of negative reinforcement etc these days (well as positive you can get after running with full equipment thru mud  being yelled on, but you know).

 

I don't think most men consider shaving their heads all that degrading. We've still got mandatory military service over here for all men, unless you have health issues that prevent it, choose an alternative civilian service or just flat out refuse to do either and instead serve a prison sentence. We were told it's mainly a hygienic thing when you might be in a situation where you're not able to wash yourself at all for a very long time. The degradation part didn't come into play until you have to shave your head and beard twice a day because some lieutenant supposedly thought you looked unkempt even though you just cut your hair and shaved like an hour earlier.

[Avilan II]

I have no real issue with Cerberus in ME3 because it is all at least "Game Plausible" (not IRL plausible) because well... kidnapping civilians and turning them into huskified soldiers. AS for the ships? As early as in the mE2 intro Cerberus had a lot of huge high-tech space stations. etc.

[FKA_Servo]

I have no real issue with Cerberus in ME3 because it is all at least "Game Plausible" (not IRL plausible) because well... kidnapping civilians and turning them into huskified soldiers. AS for the ships? As early as in the mE2 intro Cerberus had a lot of huge high-tech space stations. etc.

 

Barely two years prior to that they were a minor boogieman in a side mission.

[Avilan II]

Barely two years prior to that they were a minor boogieman in a side mission.

 

Yes, but there is no mention of how big they REALLY are, we just found a base or two of theirs.

[Star fury]

Cerberus existing and having those kinds of resources was still more realistic than ... well, a lot of other things in ME3.

 

Only 3% of all humans are in the military. It's not that unbelievable that Cerberus could recruit 1-2% themselves. They also used Reaper tech to turn unwilling victims into shock troops, so in that regard their numbers make sense.

Yeah, the Reaper tech - a perfect handwaving device when you can't give a reaslistic explanation.

 

Cerberus also exhausted most of their wealth on Lazarus project and on SR2.

 

Is it likely that they managed those massive undertakings without being noticed? Nope. No way.

But it would be possible to have such an army on standby, even if the timeframe is very tight.

 

How exactly a terrorist group can hide building and maintaing huge CRUISERS from Alliance when they actually kidnap and assassinate Aliance admirals and soldiers? It's like ISIS/al-Qaeda ordering and getting cruisers from the US military industry complex.

[Star fury]

As others have pointed out the whole shaving thing is not only mostly for males, but also, I might add, not at all that common among western military forces except the US since it's main purpose is part of the degradation of new recruits to break down their independence and then mold them into soldiers. Most western military forces use positive instead of negative reinforcement etc these days (well as positive you can get after running with full equipment thru mud  being yelled on, but you know).

And that's sexist, there should be no discrimination. Amirite?

[DaemionMoadrin]

How exactly a terrorist group can hide building and maintaing hige CRUISERS from Alliance when they actually kidnap and assassinate Aliance admirals and soldiers? It's like ISIS/al-Qaeda ordering and getting cruisers from the US military industry complex.

 

Hey, guess what ISIS is using right now? Yep, american tanks and weapons, sold to Iraq.

 

Don't doubt for a moment that selfish and greedy people would betray their country for profit. Especially when they are also the same people funding the terrorists, like in ME3. Miranda's father, remember?

[Hazegurl]

You don't really get how this works yet do you?  

 

People don't even want others to get a choice, if it's something they don't like then it shouldn't be in the game at all! 

I admit, I'm pretty slow when it comes to these things.

 

I agree, this is what it all boils down to because in ME3 and somewhat in ME2 you could go into your squad selection screen and select different armors for them.  Sure in some cases it would be the same thing in a different color but with someone like Liara in ME3, there was "practical" armor and something a bit more revealing.  I don't see why it would be such a huge resource drain to offer both options.  Especially if it's just a matter of giving it to the squadmates and of course for the PC.

 

But wait...that means the option is there in other people's games. doh!

[Star fury]

Hey, guess what ISIS is using right now? Yep, american tanks and weapons, sold to Iraq.

 

Don't doubt for a moment that selfish and greedy people would betray their country for profit. Especially when they are also the same people funding the terrorists, like in ME3. Miranda's father, remember?

And Taliban used american weapons against the Soviet army first and turned them against the US army when they invaded Afganistan. But I'm still waiting examples how ISIS/al-Qaeda/Taliban got cruisers from the USA and used them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Real quick on the subject of Cerberus and their assets.  Something I noticed last week while I was playing ME1.  When I was in Peak 15, I couldn't help but notice the rather distinct white, yellow and black style of the trams.  It was Synthetic Insights Binary Helix (thanks Daemion for the correction) that had created Peak 15 and set up those trams.  Also, it seemed to me that it was alluded that they were also behind funding ExoGeni's Zhu's Hope experiment, considering the thorian creepers running around.

 

I can't help but wonder if all we saw in ME1 was the barest surface of Cerberus.  I think the Illusive Man was the funding behind ExoGeni and Synthetic Insights Binary Helix.  The ExoGeni storyline dealt with mind control, which is one of TIM's big interests.  The Synthetic Insights Binary Helix story involved trying to bring back to the rachni.   As we saw in ME3, this was something that Cerberus was very interested in.

 

Maybe it's just me?  There are plenty of places in the galaxy to stash cruisers and other major starcraft that is no where near Council and/or Alliance space.  If we can have this group bring the PC back from being spaced, I don't see how it's that implausible that they might have bribed or blackmailed or whatever they needed to to stash their fleet.

 

Still, I'm not going to say anyone is right or wrong about this.  It's just my opinion and I've only had a year to mull it over. <shrug> I can see both sides of the resource/plausibility debate.  All I know for certain is that I'm glad that we're very very unlikely to see them in ME:A.

[Avilan II]

And Taliban used american weapons against the Soviet army first and turned them against the US army when they invaded Afganistan. But I'm still waiting examples how ISIS/al-Qaeda/Taliban got cruisers from the USA and used them.

 

Cerberus BUILT them. They do build ships. In fact, it seems their cover company that build ships has built ships for the alliance. So really it's the other way around. The Alliance uses Cerberus ships.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Real quick on the subject of Cerberus and their assets.  Something I noticed last week while I was playing ME1.  When I was in Peak 15, I couldn't help but notice the rather distinct white, yellow and black style of the trams.  It was Synthetic Insights that had created Peak 15 and set up those trams.  Also, it seemed to me that it was alluded that they were also behind funding ExoGeni's Zhu's Hope experiment, considering the thorian creepers running around.

 

I can't help but wonder if all we saw in ME1 was the barest surface of Cerberus.  I think the Illusive Man was the funding behind ExoGeni and Synthetic Insights.  The ExoGeni storyline dealt with mind control, which is one of TIM's big interests.  The Synthetic Insights story involved trying to bring back to the rachni.   As we saw in ME3, this was something that Cerberus was dealt with.

 

I think I'm one of the only ones that sees these connections.  There are plenty of places in the galaxy to stash cruisers and other major starcraft that is no where near Council and/or Alliance space.  Still, I'm not going to say anyone is right or wrong about this.  It's just my opinion and I've only had a year to mull it over. <shrug> I can see both sides of the resource/plausibility debate.

 

All I know for certain is that I'm glad that we're very very unlikely to see them in ME:A.

 

You mean Binary Helix, Saren's company.

 

Synthetic Insights was the one that was raided by rent-a-cops.

 

Not sure if Saren "I hate these filthy humans" Arterius would work with Cerberus or they with him though.

 

I think Binary Helix showed up exactly once in the news when some Krogan sued them for not curing the genophage.

[Star fury]

Cerberus BUILT them. They do build ships. In fact, it seems their cover company that build ships has built ships for the alliance. So really it's the other way around. The Alliance uses Cerberus ships.

How do you imagine a terrorist group building CRUISERS for a galactic civilization? It's even worse than if ISIS/al-Qaeda built cruisers for the US navy.

[Grieving Natashina]

You mean Binary Helix, Saren's company.

 

Synthetic Insights was the one that was raided by rent-a-cops.

 

Not sure if Saren "I hate these filthy humans" Arterius would work with Cerberus or they with him though.

 

I think Binary Helix showed up exactly once in the news when some Krogan sued them for not curing the genophage.

Hmm, my bad.  I could have sworn...oh well.  Genetic research and the like is also right up TIM's alley too.  Saren was a shareholder, but not the owner.  He probably didn't have the funds to back Binary Helix.  Jack Harper, on the other hand, would have had the means.  I still wonder about Henry Lawson, Cerberus and genetic research.  After replaying ME1, I had some interesting alarm bells going off around Miranda.  Not because of her, but of what the implications could be.  Henry and Cerberus doing some early genetic experiments, perhaps?  

 

I think Saren would have worked with Cerberus, if compelled hard enough by Sovereign.  He could have seen them as another means to an end, and/or Benezia might have seen the opportunity as well.  The two camps used each other for a mutual goal.  That sounds both like Saren-Sovereign and Cerberus' style.  

[Star fury]

Real quick on the subject of Cerberus and their assets.  Something I noticed last week while I was playing ME1.  When I was in Peak 15, I couldn't help but notice the rather distinct white, yellow and black style of the trams.  It was Synthetic Insights that had created Peak 15 and set up those trams.  Also, it seemed to me that it was alluded that they were also behind funding ExoGeni's Zhu's Hope experiment, considering the thorian creepers running around.

 

I can't help but wonder if all we saw in ME1 was the barest surface of Cerberus.  I think the Illusive Man was the funding behind ExoGeni and Synthetic Insights.  The ExoGeni storyline dealt with mind control, which is one of TIM's big interests.  The Synthetic Insights story involved trying to bring back to the rachni.   As we saw in ME3, this was something that Cerberus was very interested in.

 

Maybe it's just me?  There are plenty of places in the galaxy to stash cruisers and other major starcraft that is no where near Council and/or Alliance space.  If we can have this group bring the PC back from being spaced, I don't see how it's that implausible that they might have bribed or blackmailed or whatever they needed to to stash their fleet.

 

Still, I'm not going to say anyone is right or wrong about this.  It's just my opinion and I've only had a year to mull it over. <shrug> I can see both sides of the resource/plausibility debate.  All I know for certain is that I'm glad that we're very very unlikely to see them in ME:A.

 

So you build Alliance cruisers with an Alliance company then somehow steal them from Alliance docks then stash them somewhere? Bioware writers logic is beyond understanding.

 

How do you stash a fleet of these ships?

 

[DaemionMoadrin]

How do you imagine aterrorist group building CRUISERS for a galactic civilization? It's even worse than if ISIS/al-Qaeda built cruisers for the US navy.

 

You still don't get it. Cerberus consists and is funded by the richest people and the biggest corporations. They do a lot of legitimate business all over the galaxy. They own and/or control several corporations in the military complex, they have their people in high places. Politicians, admirals... they have them in their pocket.

 

Building additional cruisers would be easy, keeping them hidden is the problem.

 

Back to your ISIS example (which doesn't fit, but whatever)... if Qatar built weapons, then ISIS would run around with them. Since they don't, they only give them copious amounts of money to buy american weapons.

[Grieving Natashina]

So you build Alliance cruisers with an Alliance company then somehow steal them from Alliance docks then stash them somewhere? Bioware writers logic is beyond understanding.

It's just something I kicked around in the back of my head.  

 

Bare in mind, Cerberus did start off life as a black ops group for the Alliance, at least on the surface.  They probably know of secret bases that the rest of the Alliance wouldn't have been privy to.  I also wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance accepted some privatized funding, which I think would be one Mr. Harper.  When the black ops group went rogue, they took their classified information with them, which included any bases, hangars and/or otherwise secret locations.  That would include any cruisers or other parts of a larger fleet that they might have either been working on, or given by the Alliance.  They also probably went out and bought some of their own ships.  Maybe not the larger ones, but certainly some of the smaller craft that they have.  

 

Alliance brass probably didn't want to know everything that their black ops team was up to, for the sake of plausible deniability.  The Traverse is a big place, and very hostile to the Council (and the Alliance, naturally.)  Make the right arrangements with the right colonies, governments, and black market dealers, grease the right palms and yeah, I could see it for sure.  Again, Alliance brass was very unlikely to know or even want to know what kinds of arrangements had been made.  By the time that Cerberus played their full hand, the Reapers were already there and everyone was too focused on that to look into where all the Cerberus ships came from.  That's how it's done, in my opinion.

 

_{Guys, can we please leave real world politics and terrorist organizations out of this?  The posts tend to get nuked and can lead to a thread lock.}   

[Star fury]

You still don't get it. Cerberus consists and is funded by the richest people and the biggest corporations. They do a lot of legitimate business all over the galaxy. They own and/or control several corporations in the military complex, they have their people in high places. Politicians, admirals... they have them in their pocket.

 

Building additional cruisers would be easy, keeping them hidden is the problem.

No. Building cruisers for a terrorist group is a laughable idea.

 

Back to your ISIS example (which doesn't fit, but whatever)... if Qatar built weapons, then ISIS would run around with them. Since they don't, they only give them copious amounts of money to buy american weapons.

 

I'm still waiting examples how Qatar helped ISIS to buy American cruisers.

[Fixers0]

Back in the days of ME1, there was no Cerberus Empire, ME2 created the notion that a single deranged individual could create a vast interstellar conspiracy that could match powers that have been in existance for untold centuries when it comes to intellegience and technology. I actually like the theory that Cerberus was funded by major human corporations as way to create a counterweight to the Systems Alliance appearant power monopoly With TIM mostly acting as figurehead that went of his nuts sometime before ME3. Kind of like Nexus the Jupiter Incident were their was all out war between the Earth's nations and the colonies founded by the corporation that declared themselfs independent from the power of Earth's Authorities.

 

The Similiarities Between the BH and Ceberus' logo can be easily explained that by the fact that BH's logo never actually appeared in-game, only in the art book. It is most likely that Bioware Based Cerberus' logo in ME2 on the old BH logo. 

 

And Cerberus procuring military fleet in ME3 is compelty garbage, they can own small sace civil shipyards, but their is no plausable way they can construct dozens of military grade vessels without the Alliance noticing. or the people working and those shipyards not realising they've started to build warships instead of shuttles and transports.