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[von uber]

Cerberus are whatever the plot demanded them to be.

[Avilan II]

So you build Alliance cruisers with an Alliance company then somehow steal them from Alliance docks then stash them somewhere? Bioware writers logic is beyond understanding.

 

How do you stash a fleet of these ships?

 

 

Especially since they are Turian? (Yeah I'm a smartass).

[In Exile]

Real quick on the subject of Cerberus and their assets. Something I noticed last week while I was playing ME1. When I was in Peak 15, I couldn't help but notice the rather distinct white, yellow and black style of the trams. It was Synthetic Insights that had created Peak 15 and set up those trams. Also, it seemed to me that it was alluded that they were also behind funding ExoGeni's Zhu's Hope experiment, considering the thorian creepers running around.

I can't help but wonder if all we saw in ME1 was the barest surface of Cerberus. I think the Illusive Man was the funding behind ExoGeni and Synthetic Insights. The ExoGeni storyline dealt with mind control, which is one of TIM's big interests. The Synthetic Insights story involved trying to bring back to the rachni. As we saw in ME3, this was something that Cerberus was very interested in.

Maybe it's just me? There are plenty of places in the galaxy to stash cruisers and other major starcraft that is no where near Council and/or Alliance space. If we can have this group bring the PC back from being spaced, I don't see how it's that implausible that they might have bribed or blackmailed or whatever they needed to to stash their fleet.

Still, I'm not going to say anyone is right or wrong about this. It's just my opinion and I've only had a year to mull it over. <shrug> I can see both sides of the resource/plausibility debate. All I know for certain is that I'm glad that we're very very unlikely to see them in ME:A.

Apparently a larger Cerberus plot was cut. We know Binary Helix is a human corporation and the Rachni were developed to be weaponised. It's plausible that Bioware had some conspiracy in mind (though I do not know if a TIM like figure was in the works at that time).

[Grieving Natashina]

Eh, are you ... intellectually challenged? Your reading comprehension leaves room for improvement.

C'mon, no need for insults.  

 

 

Apparently a larger Cerberus plot was cut. We know Binary Helix is a human corporation and the Rachni were developed to be weaponised. It's plausible that Bioware had some conspiracy in mind (though I do not know if a TIM like figure was in the works at that time).

 

From the behind-the-scenes stuff I read, TIM was pretty much intended at the start.  To be honest, he reminds me a lot of the Cigarette Smoking Man from X-Files and I don't think that was an accident.  A cut plot would have explained a lot in the story.  It seems like my theory at least has some basis in the lore.

[Star fury]

Eh, are you ... intellectually challenged? Your reading comprehension leaves room for improvement.

Since you can't have an intelligent discussion, so you just write bullshit like "Qatar supporting ISIS" and then start throwing insults when you got called on the bullshit, I will treat you as 4 year old child.

[Star fury]

And Cerberus procuring military fleet in ME3 is compelty garbage, they can own small sace civil shipyards, but their is no plausable way they can construct dozens of military grade vessels without the Alliance noticing. or the people working and those shipyards not realising they've started to build warships instead of shuttles and transports.

 

Exactly. It's my main pet peeve how it's simply unreralistic for Cerberus to have such strong ground forces and navy while being a terrorist group.

 

Especially since they are Turian? (Yeah I'm a smartass).

Do you know what "cruiser" means?

[AsheraII]

And Taliban used american weapons against the Soviet army first and turned them against the US army when they invaded Afganistan. But I'm still waiting examples how ISIS/al-Qaeda/Taliban got cruisers from the USA and used them.

It's a matter of scale. The modern world equivalent to controlling a planet in a vast galactic setting would be controlling a village. Similarly, the modern world equivalent to a cruiser in a vast galactic setting would be a tank, not a cruiser.

[SardaukarElite]

This thread is amazing.

 

It's a matter of scale. The modern world equivalent to controlling a planet in a vast galactic setting would be controlling a village. Similarly, the modern world equivalent to a cruiser in a vast galactic setting would be a tank, not a cruiser.

 

A cruiser is near the top of the military food chain in Mass Effect,  the modern equivalent in terms of sophistication might be an advanced fighter or ground attack aircraft. You'll notice Cerberus analogous groups aren't fielding those because they require you to have massive amounts of infrastructure you have to protect, which they can't.

 

(Edit) That was poorly worded, the point I'm trying to make is that tanks aren't any where near top killers even over land and that things don't just scale up linearly because logistics is messy. It's easy to give a person a weapon, somewhat harder to supply them with a vehicle, much harder to maintain a port or airbase and protect those things from your enemies.

 

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How are Cerberus supposed to get their fleet through relays? I assume that everyone who is anyone has a some kind of reconnaissance around those massive space choke points.

[themikefest]

 

  To be honest, he reminds me a lot of the Cigarette Smoking Man from X-Files and I don't think that was an accident. 

Give him a cowboy hat and he could be the Marlboro man

[Jester]

All of you, comparing Cerberus to ISIS or some other niche terrorist group, seem to forget that Udina - the human COUNCILOR was working for Cerberus.

The most important human in the galaxy, was in Illusive Man's pocket.

 

Comparing Cerberus to ISIS would make sense, provided that Obama would be on ISIS paylist.

However, as far as I know, he's not.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Since you can't have an intelligent discussion, so you just write bullshit like "Qatar supporting ISIS" and then start throwing insults when you got called on the bullshit, I will treat you as 4 year old child.

 

How is that bullshit? Are you not aware that this is pretty much common knowledge?

[xkg]

From overly sexualised characters to ... ISIS and ... cruisers ... uhmmm. Nice.

 

Next topic : overly sexualised cruisers

I want to see them, maybe something like this:

 

Spoiler

 

or this

 

Spoiler

 

What do you guys think, good idea or not ?

[Iakus]

How do you imagine a terrorist group building CRUISERS for a galactic civilization? It's even worse than if ISIS/al-Qaeda built cruisers for the US navy.

Star Forge

 

Duh.  

[Iakus]

My issue with that would be that if top of the line armor can be created from a thin layer of fabric, heavier armors either shouldn't exist or should be on their way out. They would be automatically rendered obsolete by that development. The Alliance & Cerberus and what have you should be equipping their troops with that light but protective fabric, instead of the heavier armors that would lessen mobility without providing significantly greater protection.

 

Jack also is wearing nothing over most of her body, even if ME:A gave a catsuit armor lore dump. 

 

Of course this is where personal preferences come in regarding suspension of disbelief. Some have no problem suspending it for catsuits absorbing or deflecting rounds fired by mass accelerators, or protecting from concussive blasts or shrapnel, while others (like myself) think it veers a little too far into space magic territory and is somewhat at odds with what we already have in the lore. 

 

For me it isn't a game-breaking complaint, particularly if other options are available. But since it strains my suspension of disbelief it definitely isn't my preference.

HEck they went back in time to remove heat sinks from guns and replace them with thermal clips.  If catsuits were all that effective, you'd think something similar would have happened.

 

As for Jack, where the medigel dispensers are in her outfit becomes an interesting question...

[Star fury]

It's a matter of scale. The modern world equivalent to controlling a planet in a vast galactic setting would be controlling a village. Similarly, the modern world equivalent to a cruiser in a vast galactic setting would be a tank, not a cruiser.

The modern world equivalent to a cruiser would be a cruiser. The modern world equivalent to a tank would be a tank.

 

 

 

Star Forge

 

Duh.  

Nice reference imo.

 

 

A cruiser is near the top of the military food chain in Mass Effect,  the modern equivalent in terms of sophistication might be an advanced fighter or ground attack aircraft. You'll notice Cerberus analogous groups aren't fielding those because they require you to have massive amounts of infrastructure you have to protect, which they can't.

 

The modern equivalent of a cruiser would be this.

[DaemionMoadrin]

This thread became too dumb to continue to live.

[RevilFox]

The current conversation is a weirder direction then that time it became about Pro Wrestling and food.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

Wow, that is one hypersexualized Kirov-class cruiser. I mean look at that narrow bow and partly visible keel! Speaking of oversexualized Russian things, how about putting this guy in as a companion for ME:A?



 

[AresKeith]

How about we don't bring in politics and other RL groups like this 

[FKA_Servo]

How about we don't bring in politics and other RL groups like this 

 

Asked the 2344^th poster, in vain.

[Hazegurl]

Overly Sexualized cruisers coming up.

 

 

 

Next topic

 

Overly sexualized colonies...

 

[Former_Fiend]

The current conversation is a weirder direction then that time it became about Pro Wrestling and food.

 

Where was I for that? Damnit.

[Lady Artifice]

The current conversation is a weirder direction then that time it became about Pro Wrestling and food.

That was amazing, though. I want to talk about that again.

[Quarian Master Race]

Wrestling? Oh what a coincidence given my above post. This thread is now about the oversexualization of Vladimir Putin.

 

[FKA_Servo]

 the oversexualization of Vladimir Putin.

 

 

I don't think that's actually possible.