Perspective is good. It's wise to be aware of how very grim some parts of the world can be, and for those of us with more freedom to appreciate what we have.
But appealing to bigger problems to silence the discussion of smaller ones is a fallacy. One that's really easy to abuse. Bigger problems don't render smaller problems obsolete, and that image implies they do, while handily exploiting a stereotype about women who suggest scrutinizing gender norms in media.
This is true to an extent. Sexual objectification by society is bad; I think most all reasonable people can agree on that.
That doesn't mean it doesn't help to take stock and put things in perspective every once in a while.
Taking a serious issue and using it to mock a largely unrelated, less serious issue doesn't put it into perspective, it throws the other issue out of perspective. You're using a serious, horrible problem as cheap ammunition in a debate you aren't actually bothering to engage with.
I'm certainly not arguing that that image isn't very hyperbolic. It absolutely is. But that same type of hyperbole gets used against men on the internet in western culture as it does against women, to trivialize the things we complain about online. Because, let's face it, a lot of the things we complain about are very trivial.
Sexual objectification, of either gender, isn't one of those things, but does point out that there are far worse examples of objectification than what we see in video games.
Taking a serious issue and using it to mock a largely unrelated, less serious issue doesn't put it into perspective, it throws the other issue out of perspective. You're using a serious, horrible problem as cheap ammunition in a debate you aren't actually bothering to engage with.
I don't see the issues as being entirely unrelated. They're connected in the larger problem of cultural objectification, which is what this topic boils down to.
Also, I'm not using anything as anything. I didn't post the image. I acknowledge the image because, as I do understand just how horrible the issue in question is, that image made me take a step back an evaluate this debate and how heated it's gotten for me, and whether or not that heatedness is appropriate in the grand scheme of things.
I'm not saying this isn't a debate worth having, just one that I'd prefer to have with a more level head
This is true to an extent. Sexual objectification by society is bad; I think most all reasonable people can agree on that.
That doesn't mean it doesn't help to take stock and put things in perspective every once in a while.
That's true, but the arguement of putting things in perspective is usually made to silence groups. Like when news about USA's gay marriage came there were comment like how people only focus on gay marriage things and not more important things like starving children in Africa or racism in USA. It's pretty much used as distraction and shut upping tactic on internet. Someone has always it worst somewhere so you don't have any right complain, demand equal treatment or rights. Instead you should be happy that your genitalia is not mutilated or you aren't executed by state for being gay etc.
That's true, but the arguement of putting things in perspective is usually made to silence groups. Like when news about USA's gay marriage came there were comment like how people only focus on gay marriage things and not more important things like starving children in Africa or racism in USA. It's pretty much used as distraction and shut upping tactic on internet. Someone has always it worst somewhere so you don't have any right complain, demand equal treatment or rights. Instead you should be happy that your genitalia is not mutilated or you aren't executed by state for being gay etc.
While the perspective argument can and often is used as a strawman, that doesn't mean it is inherently a strawman, and that's certainly not what I'm intending when I bring it up.
Also, I'm not using anything as anything. I didn't post the image.
So when I say "you" in this case I mean the hypothetical person making an argument of this kind. It's a cultural quirk or something. Sorry for the confusion and inference.
I don't see the issues as being entirely unrelated. They're connected in the larger problem of cultural objectification, which is what this topic boils down to.
(...) I acknowledge the image because, as I do understand just how horrible the issue in question is, that image made me take a step back an evaluate this debate and how heated it's gotten for me, and whether or not that heatedness is appropriate in the grand scheme of things.
I'm not saying this isn't a debate worth having, just one that I'd prefer to have with a more level head
The issues are connected and there is probably a weighty discussion that could be had about it, but that image isn't inviting discussion it is dismissing one thing because it is not as horrific as another thing.
These threads are heated, and I agree that it would be better if people could keep things in perspective. However I believe the best way to do that is to focus on the point being made, rather than to bring more into play.
Someone has always it worst somewhere so you don't have any right complain, demand equal treatment or rights. Instead you should be happy that your genitalia is not mutilated or you aren't executed by state for being gay etc.
It doesn't work that way.
A first world person has a first world mind.
It doesn't work that way.
A first world person has a first world mind.
Meaning?
I know, but I don't see why there can't be style and aesthetics of a space cowboy in synchronicity with the career of a space pirate.
With that Johnny Cash trailer song I'm fully expecting some space cowboys. But if I don't get some space pirates too I might flip a table. I've wanted to be a space pirate since Jack talked about it in ME2. 
With that Johnny Cash trailer song I'm fully expecting some space cowboys. But if I don't get some space pirates too I might flip a table. I've wanted to be a space pirate since Jack talked about it in ME2.
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This is true to an extent. Sexual objectification by society is bad; I think most all reasonable people can agree on that.
That really depends on what you mean by 'objectification.'
To be fair, I have to agree. I suppose it could refer to awkward camera angles and needless fanservice in order to push sales.
How to identify that objectively? That's the hard part.
Like seriously, I'm going to be cringing if we have characters running around in stiletto's, catsuits, spandex, etc.
Not to mention exposed skin in combat and outer space
EDIT: I am mainly referring to the combat outfits, casual outfits are ok
EDIT 2: This has nothing to do with being politically correct, as I could care less about that bullcrap. This is about logic and practicality
EDIT 3: If you are going to bring up feminism, Anita Sarkesian, or any of the gamergate, feminism gaming war bullcrap, then please feel free to get the **** off my thread.
I don't care about if they go around half naked, I wait for a good mod and change my visuals if I don't like it
I don't care about if they go around half naked, I wait for a good mod and change my visuals if I don't like it
Not all ME players are on PC
I don't care about if they go around half naked, I wait for a good mod and change my visuals if I don't like it
Good luck trying to mod Frostbite3. If it was so easy, then the DA:I players would be much happier.
Good luck trying to mod Frostbite3. If it was so easy, then the DA:I players would be much happier.
Aren't there mods for DAI?
Yep, but compared to Skyrim or the previous DA games they are only basic. http://www.nexusmods...ageinquisition/
Some parts of the game you can't change, some parts you can change only a little and overall it's a lot of work because you have no tools.
Aren't there mods for DAI?
Basic mods really, unless people been able to add armor and weapons in the game now
Good luck trying to mod Frostbite3. If it was so easy, then the DA:I players would be much happier.
There are many mods for DA:I, and I would guess that DA:I will have much in a couple of years since you compare it with Skyrim that came out in 2011.
There are many mods for DA:I, and I would guess that DA:I will have much in a couple of years since you compare it with Skyrim that came out in 2011.
There are a couple hundred entries on the nexus, tops, and 80% of them are just save games with pretty faces. The rest are pajama retexts and miscellaneous other things. There are some very terrific hair mods on tumblr, but this whole thing is the very definition of user unfriendly. It is not currently, and at this rate will never be, moddable to any real extent.
Skyrim had thousands of mods within months of its release. Exponentially more when the toolkit came out. I think Skyrim has something like 35,000 mods on the nexus.
^^ I think at least part of has to do with competitive MP in some of EA's games. Mods could give some players an unfair advantage, or at least alter the gameplay for other unsuspecting players.
^^ I think at least part of has to do with competitive MP in some of EA's games. Mods could give some players an unfair advantage, or at least alter the gameplay for other unsuspecting players.
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