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[RayD3MSoC]

Which is stronger on the Paladin?

 

Are they both % increases on total damage, or is one of them % of base damage?  Do they both work on the DoT?

 

I do set off a fair few long range fire explosions with Incinerate+ED, so I am not sure.

[Darth Volus]

Freeze combo. Obviously you need to have Snap Cheese specced. 

[ClydeInTheShell]

If you Snap Freeze liberally or use Cryo Ammo, 6a. If not, 6b. Pretty sure the increases are % of base damage but perhaps someone more into numbers can confirm.

[Loufi]

Freeze combo with the Paladin.

[Xen]

General consensus is that 6b is better on just about anyone that isn't the Paladin or QFE, and even on those two 6a still has its benefits, such as if you plan on incendiary cheesing. You can use 6a if you want to do a cryo ammo build as well.

I would say go with 6b and spec out of Snap Freeze because it's like the worst thing in the game.

[RayD3MSoC]

Thank you all for the responses, but does anyone have an answer to the questions in the second line of my OP?

 

So the consensus is use freeze combo for snap freeze spam and armor damage for incendiary cheese?

 

...unfortunate that I like switching between them.

[Miniditka77]

If you Snap Freeze liberally or use Cryo Ammo, 6a. If not, 6b. Pretty sure the increases are % of base damage but perhaps someone more into numbers can confirm.

 

I thought that it was the opposite:  both increases are multiplicative of total damage.  I'm only like 72% sure though.

[RayD3MSoC]

I thought that it was the opposite:  both increases are multiplicative of total damage.  I'm only like 72% sure though.

 

I was pretty sure armor damage was % total damage, but not sure about freeze combo.

[Terminator Force]

If I have enough Cryo Ammo, 6a. If I want real ammo, 6b. Except for FQE which is always 6a.

 

At first I kinda hated using my incinerate kits as a use for Cryo Ammo. But once I switched away from it, I kinda missed Incinerate with Cryo Ammo. 

 

 

Cryo Ammo is most helpful when starting a new manifest, since it takes some time to get them weapon pierce mods + leveled up for every weapon type. Nor do you have enough Armour Ammo either.

 

Cryo Ammo is also a great way to nerf yourself to give the pugs more of a chance.

[Darth Volus]

If I have enough Cryo Ammo, 6a. If I want real ammo, 6b. Except for FQE which is always 6a.

 

At first I kinda hated using my incinerate kits as a use for Cryo Ammo. But once I switched away from it, I kinda missed Incinerate with Cryo Ammo. 

 

 

Cryo Ammo is most helpful when starting a new manifest, since it takes some time to get them weapon pierce mods + leveled up for every weapon type. Nor do you have enough Armour Ammo either.

 

Cryo Ammo is also a great way to nerf yourself to give the pugs more of a chance.

 

[Terminator Force]

^ Ok, that was my first really good laugh for the day. Enjoy your well deserved like.

[Kenny Bania]

Armor damage because you should be speccing out of Snap Freeze.

[Kushiel42]

I've been operating under the assumption that all damage boosts that versus a specific type of defense or enemy state are multiplicative rather than additive, though I can't remember where I first read that.

[Deerber]

They're both multiplicative, becuase they both affect the base damage. Although you seem to intend "base damage" the opposite way.

Anyway, be careful cause, if I recall correctly, snap freeze chilling/freezing isn't always enough to activate freeze combo.

[capn233]

The armor damage evo actually is better on every single character with Incinerate if you plan to use Incendiary Ammo.

 

edit: Fire Shield also combines with IA...

 

oh and with what Deerber said, SF on source is like this for the freeze combo evo

 

Snap Freeze source
Health: No
Shields: Yes
Armour: Yes
Barriers: Yes

[FORRTrESx]

So I guess the last evo for snap freeze is bugged in that you ALWAYS get the additional combo damage no matter what.

 

But someone told me the last evo for incinerate is bugged also.  Is this not the case?  Do the last evos on incinerate work as intended?

[Terminator Force]

So I guess the last evo for snap freeze is bugged in that you ALWAYS get the additional combo damage no matter what.

 

But someone told me the last evo for incinerate is bugged also.  Is this not the case?  Do the last evos on incinerate work as intended?

 

From what I know.

 

Also, AIU's Snap Freeze actually works as intended.

[Olivia Wilde]

Freeze Combo with Paladin and FQE, Armor Damage with Human Engineer and Salarian Engineer

 

KroSent skip incinerate and Claymoar all the things

[Deerber]

The armor damage evo actually is better on every single character with Incinerate if you plan to use Incendiary Ammo.

 

Not if you plan to actually detonate FEs with incinerate and play the kit like it's supposed to play without glitches, you know

 

So I guess the last evo for snap freeze is bugged in that you ALWAYS get the additional combo damage no matter what.

 

But someone told me the last evo for incinerate is bugged also.  Is this not the case?  Do the last evos on incinerate work as intended?

 

Snap freeze rank 6 is bugged and does nothing on the paladin. Rank 4 reach does what rank 6 is supposed to do, however.

 

Incinerate freeze combo was bugged ages ago, but was patched - to an extent. See Capn's post.

[Shampoohorn]

Freeze Combo with Paladin and FQE, Armor Damage with Human Engineer and Salarian Engineer

KroSent skip incinerate and Claymoar all the things

Skip his passives, choose incinerate 6a, take cryo ammo, and still claymore all the thongs.

Graal and striker are also acceptable. Bonus cred for meleeing all the thongs too.

[Olivia Wilde]

Skip his passives, choose incinerate 6a, take cryo ammo, and still claymore all the thongs.

Graal and striker are also acceptable. Bonus cred for meleeing all the thongs too.

Headbutt what Claymoar don't kill

[Shampoohorn]

Headbutt what Claymoar don't kill

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