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[Vertrucio]

I'm posting this to try and find differences in the final mission.  Hope you'll join in.

 I got the best possible ending after two tries.  Went in with all the ship upgrades, all characters loyal, and almost all the other upgrades, including all the character specific upgrades.

First try I ran around doing extra missions after my crew was kidnapped thinking they might contribute, it didn't, and I got to watch the lovely and eccentric Kelly chambers be killed in a rather unlovely way.  Dr. Chakwa I sent back alone and she didn't make it.

I also sent Thane through the vents, thinking we'd need infiltration skills, and got him killed when he couldn't close the door.

Otherwise, in both cases where we split up I chose Garrus to lead the fire team, since he proved himself on Omega, where the only reason why he lost his team was through betrayal.

When the seeker swarm became an issue I had Jack on barrier detail with no problems, she was the clear choice being the most powerful biotic there.

Doesn't seem like who you choose to face the final boss matters, but this time I chose Mordin and Jack.  No casualties straight through to the end.

Second try, I immediately went to save my crew, ended up with a unnamed colonist melting, doesn't seem to be a way to the colonists though, will have to experiment.  Sent Samara to escort the crew back to Normandy since she seemed like the kind of person used to escort missions.  No casualties.  The only other change was I took Grunt and Mordin to the final boss.

I'm wondering how much can be changed.  I'm about to do a run through that I hope will be a bloodbath.  Zero loyalty, fewest upgrades.  I want to see what and how much changes.  With my perfect run, I was a little disappointed about how easy the choices were to make, and I'm thinking that it might have tougher choices and maybe more stuff you have to go through if you don't have everything ready.

[Kronner]

Normandy had all available upgrades, every team mate was loyal.
Legion to the Vents.
I took Miranda and Thane with me throughout the mission.
Samara was holding off the bug swarm for me.

No one died.

Modifié par Kronner, 27 janvier 2010 - 03:06 .

[DaMuNate]

Had all upgrades for squad members and Normandy sent Tali to the vents took Legion and Grunt with me and Miranda Leader of 2nd team first time then Samara hold of the bugs and Thane and Grunt. Sent Garrus back to ship.. and Miranda and Mordin for final Boss



No one left behind

[CrazySockpuppetMan]

I had all normandy combat upgrades (Screw extra probe space)

All crew members were loyal

Vents: Jacob (he volunteered and I figured since it said it would be dangerous that he'd have to fight)

Fire team: Miranda

Got to survivors, sent them back with Jack

Biotic: Samara

Fire team 2: Grunt

Against the terminator: Miranda and Thane



End result: Jacob got a rocket to the face and Grunt didn't make it (I didn't have the his specific prototype upgrades... but come on, he is the PERFECT Krogan...). Jack got everyone back alright (Jack didn't have her prototype upgrades either).

While Grunt and Jacob did die I kinda liked the end result (I liked Wrex better than Grunt and Jacob felt like the new Kaiden) if everyone lived it woulda felt kinda lame (ooh suicide mission were no one dies, really?!)

[The Occult Kid Enkidu]

All upgrades for Normandy2

No Loyalty for squadmates



Tali through vents, Garrus leads fire team; Legion and Jack as squad

Jack holding barrier, Zaeed leads diversion team; Grunt and Miranda as squad

Crew sent back alone

Samara and Garrus to fight Terminator (it is Arnold, isn't it?)



Tali takes a bullet to the face. The rest live. Then Jack gets Miranda killed because she couldn't hold the barrier (hilarious...) Garrus and Samara are killed in the resulting Terminator explosion (Samara is temporarily saved from falling to her death, but gets crushed under a plank). Finally, Shepard makes the jump to the ship.



Squad Remaining: Jacob, Thane, Grunt, Shepard, Joker and EDI.



I won't be happy until I've killed them all.. That would also be a perfect ending, in a sense right?

[scorptatious]

Had almost all squadmates loyal to me except Samara due to failing her loyalty mission.



Sent Legion through the vents, Garrus led the first fire team, and I brought Tali and Grunt along as my squad.



Everyone survived the first bit.



Was able to rescue the crew, but a colonist whom I recognized as bieng with Ashley on Horizon gets processed before my eyes. After that I sent Tali to escort the crew back.



Than I had Jack held up the barrier (considering I failed Samara's mission, I didn't trust her with the barrier) Grunt led the diversion team, and I brought Miranda and Garrus with me.



No casulties with the barrier team in fact Jack concentrated the barrier into raw power and owned all those collectors chasing us. Grunt however, did not survive Tali made it though with the crew though.



I had both Legion and Mordin with me during the final battles. Both survived.



So the suicide mission for me went surprisingly well. Although colonists did die and I imagine some krogans will be pissed at me in ME3 for losing someone who killed the Thresher Maw.

[Gavinthelocust]

Everyone lives

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All loyalty and upgrades.

Go to Omega 4 Relay as soon as possible.

Squad: Legion and Grunt

Tech Specialist: Tali

Fire Team Leader: Miranda

Escort: Mordin

Biotic: Samara

Fire Team Leader 2: Miranda

With this you can get the hard No One Left Behind achievement and have all your favorite characters survive to ME3.

[DPSSOC]

All Upgrades

All Loyal



Miranda lead Fire Team

Legion Tech specialist

Squad: Jacob and Zaeed



All Survive



Mordin escorts crew

Jack maintains Barrier

Garrus leads diversion team



Squad: Miranda & Zaeed



Terminator battle squad: Miranda + Zaeed



No casualties, destroyed the base (regret doing so when I realized I've effectively alienated my only remaining ally).

[Dave of Canada]

First playthrough:
All upgrades.
All loyalties.
Everybody survived.
Crew survived.
Base blown up.
Told TIM that he deserved it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 avril 2010 - 05:08 .

[kraidy1117]

Went very well for me. Everyone lived, told TIM to shove it and that he's working for me now as I blew the Base to hell.

[spacehamsterZH]

First time:

All Normandy upgrades, not sure about the character-specific ones, but I think I missed a few.

Everyone loyal.

Garrus second team leader both times.

Tali in the vent.

Zaeed escorted the crew (everyone alive even though I'm 99% sure I did more than just Legion's loyalty quest after they were abducted)

Jack for the ME field.

Can't remember who I had with me in the final fight. Samara and maybe Garrus, but I'm really not sure.

Everyone got out alive.



Second time:

No Normandy upgrades. Legion and Jack not loyal.

Jack, Legion and Thane died on the way to the Collector base.

Jacob in the vent. Numbnuts volunteered, so he got the job. And a bullet in the face closing the door.

Zaeed as 2nd team leader the first time, gutshot, dead.

Can't remember who I picked as 2nd team leader after that. Garrus, maybe. To mix things up, I did one thing right.

Nobody escorted what was left of the crew, so they died.

Miranda for the ME field. Grunt got taken by the Seekers.

Can't remember who I had with me in the final battle, again, but Mordin died holding the line.



3rd time:

Pretty similar to the first. Definitely ALL of the character-specific upgrades done, all of the Normandy upgrades, everyone loyal except Zaeed.

Legion in the vent.

Garrus 2nd team leader both times.

Samara for the ME field.

Mordin escorted the crew.

Miranda and Grunt with me against the Reaper larva.

Everyone lived.



I was trying to get everyone out alive in the last one again, so I was pretty worried about Zaeed. Almost immediately after starting the last part and taking Grunt with me, I realized that choice might end up killing Zaeed; my understanding of Hold the Line is that the remaining characters need to have a high enough overall defense skill for everyone to survive, so taking the toughest character away from the group wasn't the smartest choice. But it turned out okay in the end.



Currently on my fourth playthrough. Don't know what I'll do yet. I'll definitely save the crew, though, because I want to boink Kelly this time.

[Drow Oblivion]

I had all squad members loyal, all ship upgrades and team upgrades and saved the crew.



Legion went in the vent.



Garrus lead strike both times.



Samara for the ME field.



Grunt escorted crew.



Took Garrus and Morodin with me the first time. Tali Died



Took Garrus and Tali with me the second time Morodin Died.





I think this is complete bull. If your people will die if they are loyal or not then what the hell's the point. I've played through this game 4 times in all different ways. Still cannot get a ending where no one dies.

[Pacifien]

Drow Oblivion wrote...
Grunt escorted crew.

Took Garrus and Morodin with me the first time. Tali Died

Took Garrus and Tali with me the second time Morodin Died.

Crap. I had a nice explanation written out and it got eaten by the forum monster.

Anyway, your mistake was having Grunt escort the crew back and/or taking Garrus with you to the final fight. Every squadmate left to hold the line contributes to an overall defense score. Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed are your strongest defenders. Mordin and Tali are some of your weakest. By taking both Grunt and Garrus out of the equation, your defense score wasn't high enough to ensure your weakest defender will live.

Most would recommend sending Mordin to escort the crew if you're not taking him with you to the final fight because he's the one with the weakest defense, and thus, the one most likely to die.

You probably don't need Grunt and Garrus to hold the line, but you'll need at least one of them.

[Cypher0020]

after freaking out, I realized the formula is really easy



3 Normandy upgrades

squad loyalty

Vents: Tali

Team Leaders: Garrus/Miranda

Bubble: Jack/Samara

Escort: Uhhh..anyone? I usually pick Jacob

Blow up Collector base and book it with all squad/crew as fast as possible lol



I take Mordin and Jack for the reaper/baby thing and I wanna test Legion in the vents and see what happens



I haven't gotten that Mordin randomly dies glitch yet

[angryunicorn]

I've beat it on insanity with only one character dying... FREAKING TALI! You ant-eating ****! I could've gotten two achievments in one fell swoop! But I've completed many playthroughs and I only have had everyone live once. <_<

Oh and I completed the suicide mission with everyone alive without activating Legion. It was much less agravating.

Modifié par angryunicorn, 21 avril 2010 - 05:19 .

[Pacifien]

The was a thread that specifically went over all the permutations one could take during the Suicide Mission and everyone come out alive. The thread also links to another thread on what you need to do to ensure everyone comes out dead. Anyway, you can click here: *click*

To update what you see in that post, a loyal Kasumi can also serve as your tech.

You actually don't need everyone's loyalty for everyone to survive, it's just the best way to ensure they do. If anyone was unloyal, the only way to keep them alive is to simply not use them for any specific task during the mission. It's not a guarantee, but it is doable.

Of course, there's an exception to the above. Miranda can be unloyal and still survive as the leader of the second fire team. She's the only one.

Another thing you can change and still have a positive outcome is the squadmates you leave to hold the line. Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed are your strongest defenders, but that doesn't mean all three must hold the line so that everyone lives. You can be missing at least one.

Also, I'm not sure, so I don't know why I keep mentioning it, but I think Jack's biotics need to be upgraded in order for her to successfully hold the barrier. Maybe I should actually test that theory instead of mentioning it all the time...

[cronshaw8]

How did it go? A little less suicidey than i thought it would.
Only mordin died on my first play-through. After that no one.

Modifié par cronshaw8, 21 avril 2010 - 06:10 .

[Polka14]

Unfortunately Thane died on my first playthrough (vents) as well as the crew because I thought the person that tried to escort them would die. My other playthroughs saw no casualties.



P.S. You do not have to write spoilers in the title in the spoilers forum, Vertrucio.

[ResidentNoob]

How did it go?

All Normandy upgrades
Everybody loyal

1st section:
Garrus and Legion in my squad
Tali in the vents
Jacob leading 2nd fire team

2nd section:
Garrus and Thane in my squad
Jack holding the biotic barrier
Miranda leading diversion team
Mordin escorting the crew back to the ship

Final section:
Garrus and Samara in my squad
Left Grunt to hold the line

Everyone lived.

[smecky-kitteh]

 first playthrough

vents=legion
strike team=garrus
barrier=samara
strike team 2=garrus
boss fight=tali and garrus

miranda died holding the line

second playthrough with only jack and legion loyal

jack legion and thane died on the ship

vent=mordin (KIA by rocket)
strike team=tali (i knew mordin would die so what the hellaaa)
barrier=samara (got jacob killed)
strike team 2= miranda 
boss fight=miranda & samara leaving tali garrus and grunt to hold the line.
samara and miranda died but everyone left o hold the line lived.

third playthrough all servived. only diffrence was choosing tali as the tech expert over legion.

Modifié par smecky-kitteh, 21 avril 2010 - 07:08 .

[GTYKDME22]

I had all Normandy upgrades

All squad members were loyal except Tali, Jack and Jacob. Deliberately had them killed.

Vents: Jacob, he volunteered

Strike team leader: Tali

Shep's squad: Miranda and Thane

Crew escort: Mordin

Biotic barrier: Samara

2nd strike team leader: Garrus

Shep's squad/Boss fight: Miranda and Thane



I did this for all playthroughs except the first, where everybody died

[Zenyattaa]

Did a rena-gon run through the other night.



My Fem shep foolishly romanced Jacob. Suffice to say she was so insulted she sent Jacob into the vents as the 'tech' expert. I screwed up Thane's loyalty so he was sent back with the crew and died.



Miranda and Kasumi followed me through the entire mission.

Garrus lead the second team.



I was pleased with the outcome over all. Moral of the story, don't call your commanding officer the prize. You wont like what happens.

[primero holodon]

Took some casualties early on; thane was killed by a stray bullet and only half my crew was still alive inside the collector base. I arrived Just in time to watch kelly die screaming in pain as she was melted into grey sludge. After that I Decided my men could use a pick me up and gave a stirring speech. sent zaeed to escort the crew and had miranda lead team 2 while Legion Tali samara and I headed to the center of the base. no further casualties and tearfully I decided to save the base because as much as I hated TIM and as much as I wanted to blow it up I knew he was right and having reaper tech would save more lives in the long run; I hated him for it. I plan on finding a way to shut down cerberus in ME3 to prevent misuse of the base though.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I had all of the upgrades on the ship. (Except for the Medical Bay which I did not need anymore).



Everyone was loyal except Zaeed.



I sent Legion into the vents.



I had come to value Jacob's imput to the building of the mission so I wanted to place the rest of the team under his command. I took Thane and Garrus with me. We reached the Colonists no problem. I had taken my sweet time going ont e suicide mission, but that was OK because there as really nothing left to do so crew was still alive.



I chose Jack to be the field maintainer and took Tali and Grunt with me. I told Samara to escort the survivors back, hoping that she'd be able to rejoin me for the final part but I guess not. I assigned the rest of the crew under Garrus' command because he was the oldest and most trusted friend I had on the team.



We got through the seeker swarms OK, and Garrus brought the rest of the team back fine. I decided to take Mordin and Jack with me to the final battle. The rest of them held the line. Jack and Mordin survived the rubble and everyone made it home safe. To my surprise actually, didn't expect Zaeed to survive but he did.



I had actually spend quite a long time desperately trying to win enough paragon points to regain Miranda's loyalty for most of the endgame. I couldn't quite make it, then I realized all i really needed to do was retain as a Champion. Turns out I probably didn't even need it.