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[Terminator Force]

Anyone else feel like they need long breaks from 1 shot sniping, then they get hang of it again once back at it, totally own the game, then forced to take another break once into it again because it's so OP. I do. 

 

I think for the next Mass Effect Andromeda; one shot weapon like this, Claymore and such, should not be capable of cancel reload for this very reason (at least in mp). Too OP and dominates the game too much.

 

 

Infiltrators need to be rethought too, or at the very least make sure they can't equip the Black Widow.

[MaxCrushmore]

There's many OP things in this game, including all 6 builds on several kits

 

Claymore sucks. The Raider does everything better, and neither is even close to the best shotgun

[Terminator Force]

There's many OP things in this game, including all 6 builds on several kits

 

Claymore sucks. The Raider does everything better, and neither is even close to the best shotgun

 

I really hope BioWare learns how to balance games by next Mass Effect release. But since they aren't a Japanese gaming dev, I highly doubt it.

[LemurFromTheId]

No, Claymore, Javelin, Widow & Co. aren't the OP weapons in this game.  That honor belongs to Arc Pistol, Talon and Hurricane, which not only out-DPS the aforementioned weapons, but also weigh only a fraction in comparison.

 

Claymore, for example, is indeed powerful. It can be used effectively on any kit. But the difference to weapons like Hurricane is that you need to make real, tangible compromises in order to make it work. Conversely any kit can put on a Hurricane or Arc Pistol and put out huge DPS, but now they also get to spam their powers as much as they please.

 

Something is seriously wrong with the weapon balance when dedicated weapon specialist kits like Turian Soldier and Geth Infiltrator are best used with an SMG and a pistol.

[Terminator Force]

No, Claymore, Javelin, Widow & Co. aren't the OP weapons in this game.  That honor belongs to Arc Pistol, Talon and Hurricane, which not only out-DPS the aforementioned weapons, but also weigh only a fraction in comparison.

 

Claymore, for example, is indeed powerful. It can be used effectively on any kit. But the difference to weapons like Hurricane is that you need to make real, tangible compromises in order to make it work. Conversely any kit can put on a Hurricane or Arc Pistol and put out huge DPS, but now they also get to spam their powers as much as they please.

 

Something is seriously wrong with the weapon balance when dedicated weapon specialist kits like Turian Soldier and Geth Infiltrator are best used with an SMG and a pistol.

 

Yes, agree. But from the perspective of pro players, these one shot weapons own more.

[justinman114]

Claymore rules, and is the best shotgun

Fixed.

 

OT:  Reload cancelling should be here to stay.  It does take some semblance of skill to cancel correctly and be effective, and it's fun.

[Terminator Force]

Fixed.

 

OT:  Reload cancelling should be here to stay.  It does take some semblance of skill to cancel correctly and be effective, and it's fun.

 

Not sure about Claymore being more OP then Raider on accuracy boosting classes. Like taking OP to the next level.

[LemurFromTheId]

Yes, agree. But from the perspective of pro players, these one shot weapons own more.

 

Go watch some speedruns.

[capn233]

Another victory for the Reapers.

[d_nought]

I am neither here nor there about reload cancelling in principle but it's kinda telling that all weapons have the same "add time", plus the fact that, uh... "implementation" on console is somewhat less elegant (press dodge while standing still and not near cover). They definitely didn't think very much about it, and it shows with weapons like the Javelin and Claymore.

[ZoliCs]

There are other than 1 shot sniper rifles? I didn't notice.

[Cryos_Feron]

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[Swan Killer]

Maybe instead of RC, they could introduce a reload system, like the one in GoW. It's basically RC, but you would not have to rely on abusing the engine.

 

ps: No Claymoar, no bang.

[Cryos_Feron]

i think you are wrong on that,
this is not automatically OP.

not everyone is capable of sniping good, deal with a squishy GI, etc.
the claymore is not soo easy to handle, either.
you have to hit exactly for full damage and survive while you reload and are close to enemies.

there are other things and kits in this game that are OP "by nature"

[Swan Killer]

Go watch some speedruns.

 

Pro players =/= speedrunners.

[Terminator Force]

Go watch some speedruns.

 

Lets look at it from epeen perspective. I aim with Widow at a Phantoms head, while you aim with the Hurricane. Who's going to get the kill?

 

Then there's the matter of accuracy too.

[Cryos_Feron]

Lets look at it from epeen perspective. I aim with Widow at a Phantoms head, while you aim with the Hurricane. Who's going to get the kill?

Then there's the matter of accuracy too.

not everyone is capable of reliably aiming for a phantoms head.
so why would this be OP then?

maybe you even remove it's
melee ability by shooting it's sword??

because then I'd adore you ;-)

[Terminator Force]

not everyone is capable of reliably aiming for a phantoms head.
so why would this be OP then?

 

Well, I am talking from the perspective of knowing how to play/aim.

 

Weapons like Hurricane are more OP for other reasons. Harrier dps on power kits with 200% cooldown should never of been allowed. What was BioWare thinking.

[NuclearTech76]

I'm going to put two words in a sentence that should never belong together. Without reload canceling, the Claymore would suck.

 

If it's so OP, don't play it.

 

If you can't get the hang of reload cancelling, quit being a goddamn scrub and practice. I don't know why we complain something is OP but want to take skill completely out of the game, that's a little.......well dumber than ****. 

 

t's not like it's a weapon that is difficult to get or max out, it's not an UR. There are other alternatives as well if you have the aim of a baked potato, you can always use the Reetard Carbine.

 

The other issue is it's a PVE game, if you feel sorry for the enemy perhaps shooting games are not for you.

 

If you feel you're so pro elite that you have to give the other players a chance then get on my ****** level and use a scimitar that takes three headshots to kill a husk on gold.

 

***And super duper disclaimer, I know the purpose of this thread is to troll BSN but some people actually buy into this reload canceling, hold hands with the enemy, OP, mamby, pamby, bullshit.

[TheShadyEngineer]

No. Actually let me amend that, hell no they're not OP. The high-damage low capacity (1-3 shots) sniper rifles in this game are powerful, sure, but rightfully so. 

 

To get the full potential out of a sniper rifle one must be accurate, be able to headshot, learn to track moving targets, learn to headshot moving targets, learn to RC, learn to quickscope in close quarters, learn to be situationally aware (the world inside a scope is quite small, very easy to get tunnel vision), learn to switch targets quickly, and that's just off the top of my head. With a sniper rifle if you miss your shot, you're dead. Enemies have home in accuracy, players do not.

 

If you're dominating the match with a sniper rifle good for you, it means you are a good player and you've learned the tricks of the trade. To put it in a way you'd understand, you've earned the right to be OP.

[NuclearTech76]

not everyone is capable of reliably aiming for a phantoms head.
so why would this be OP then?

maybe you even remove it's
melee ability by shooting it's sword??

because then I'd adore you ;-)

If he's shooting at it with a Hurricane I doubt it's going to be an easy shot, that ****** be a flipping. 

[Terminator Force]

I'm going to put two words in a sentence that should never belong together. Without reload canceling, the Claymore would suck.

 

Well, the problem there is the game still would have a ton of other balance issues remaining to be dealt with. But I at least can confirm when pugging with Claymore & RC, and one-shooting every mook in the game at such speeds, I feel like I'm cheating the pugs. No mistake about that.

 

And I'm not saying I don't reload cancel (I'm quite good at it), saying it's such a lethal combination for that weapon & other 1 shot weapons.

[Terminator Force]

There are other alternatives as well if you have the aim of a baked potato,

 

This topic is not about potato aim. Quite the opposite.

[Terminator Force]

The other issue is it's a PVE game, if you feel sorry for the enemy perhaps shooting games are not for you.

 

My perspective is from proper and balanced game design, tight gameplay, and great difficulty balance. Something I obsess over & study in every game I really get into from NES era > Arcades > present day gaming > Japanese devs VS the West, and so on. Sadly today's games are not about proper balance and long term relay value through challenge a la old school games. It's only about great graphics and catering to gamer that can't play videogames to begin with.

[Terminator Force]

By the way, I'm old school, in case it has to be mentioned;