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[Franky Figgs]

Disclaimer: There is much to speculate about what Andromeda will unfold. I present no debate about that. These are simply questions within the bounds of reason based on what has happened previously in the series added to the concept of traveling to another galaxy.

To note, the Reapers were a great built in explanation to the Fermi paradox within our galaxy. Now that it’s possible for a species to jump galaxies that opens the paradox up to the universe. So now if we’ve never been visited by anything in the universe, per ME’s built in answer to the Fermi paradox, it would be because of universal wide extinctions. The Reapers or something like them would be in Andromeda or anywhere else where galactic travel is a possibility. If there are Reapers what would they even be without the Leviathan AI controlling them? Worst yet, the Leviathan AI doesn’t have to be gone. It would make little sense given the scope of the Universe to house at one place that’s primary function is to be an “all in” trap to achieve synthesis. If it was truly smart it would be conducting this experiment in more than one place if it could. Now the question is “why couldn’t it” or “should we be worried”.

Again, I cannot pretend to know what Andromeda will be about but I hope they don’t simply gloss over the stated issue here. And while on one hand the story hasn’t really resolved itself of the whole “controlling enthraller” dilemma, Reapers and Leviathans aside, it’s an evolutionary trait in the series to be dealt with. On the other hand, isn’t there fatigue on this theme after the first trilogy?

What do you all think? Is there sound reason for us to get to the bottom of these issues in the new series or are you ready to hand wave it just to go on to something new?

[Han Shot First]

If the leak is legit, which increasingly seems to be the case, it sounds like we will be running across an alien faction that has experienced some form of civilization collapse. The leak mentions a species called the Remnant who were once powerful, but in a dark age at the time encountered by the protagonist. Supposedly part of the game revolves around recovering their lost technology. Unlike the Protheans however, they aren't extinct.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I am not sure the Fermi paradox applies here. For all we know we might be the first to discover intergalactic travel, so a first contact with a civilisation from Andromeda wasn't possible before.

 

The Reaper AI had limited energy/resources. It was tasked with finding a solution for the problem of organic/synthetic co-existence within the Leviathan empire. Other galaxies were never in its scope nor would it have had the resources to harvest another galaxy. It depended too much on the relay network and the mass effect technology present in the Milky Way.

 

Attacking another galaxy would also risk the loss of many Reaper vessels, which are the storage units for the harvested civilisations. The AI would violate its tasks if it didn't preserve organic life. Let's just ignore that it did so anyway in the Milky Way.

 

Trying to apply logic and scientific principles to the Mass Effect franchise will always fail. Everything is made up, almost nothing is based on science and the logic will fail because the ME universe isn't internally consistent.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would like it to be subtly referenced. For example, having evidence that the Reapers have been to Andromeda in the past. They don't have to bring it up in the plot, but simply having Mass Relays in Andromeda and maybe a few references to extinction events that sound oddly familiar would do it.

 

 

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

I would like it to be subtly referenced. For example, having evidence that the Reapers have been to Andromeda in the past. They don't have to bring it up in the plot, but simply having Mass Relays in Andromeda and maybe a few references to extinction events that sound oddly familiar would do it.

 

 

Why would you want to re-hash a story that has been done already?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would you want to re-hash a story that has been done already?

Because it would be a great way to connect the new setting to the old setting and address a lot of the issues that have come up.

Again, it wouldn't be part of the plot. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Because it would be a great way to connect the new setting to the old setting and address a lot of the issues that have come up.

Again, it wouldn't be part of the plot. 

 

The old setting was a dead end and the writers rightly choose to start over in Andromeda because they didn't want to have the burden of keeping within the confining limits of the trilogy.

 

We don't need Reapers in Andromeda, we don't need explanations for ME3 (because there can't be any good ones, the whole thing was illogical) and I think ME:A would be better off with less connections to the old trilogy.

 

That's not the topic here though.

[Iakus]

The question is, if the Reapers were the "Great Filter" for the Milky Way, and they weren't in Andromeda (because reasons)  Then why isn't Andromeda ruled by some godlike First Ones?

 

And why didn't they come to the Milky Way themselves?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The old setting was a dead end and the writers rightly choose to start over in Andromeda because they didn't want to have the burden of keeping within the confining limits of the trilogy.

 

We don't need Reapers in Andromeda, we don't need explanations for ME3 (because there can't be any good ones, the whole thing was illogical) and I think ME:A would be better off with less connections to the old trilogy.

 

That's not the topic here though.

They won't be in Andromeda, they will have been in Andromeda. Huge difference. 

I disagree. There should be connections to the other games.

 

No, the topic is about the Fermi Paradox. Bioware already has an established way of personifying that paradox with the Reapers having been to Andromeda in the past. 

[Malanek]

If the leak is legit, which increasingly seems to be the case, it sounds like we will be running across an alien faction that has experienced some form of civilization collapse. The leak mentions a species called the Remnant who were once powerful, but in a dark age at the time encountered by the protagonist. Supposedly part of the game revolves around recovering their lost technology. Unlike the Protheans however, they aren't extinct.

Although you might be correct I don't think the leak actually said the Remnant were still around. I got the impression they are probably extinct (use of past tense ie as you uncover who the remnant were) and it is their technology, architecture etc left around. We don't know that it was a civilisation collapse either but it is a fair assumption. This was all the times the Remnant were mentioned in the leak...

 

Along the way, you will encounter the remains of a once powerful and mysterious alien race, the Remnant, whose forgotten technology holds the key to gaining power in this region of the galaxy. As you uncover who the Remnant were, and the mysteries their ruins contain, you are drawn into a violent race to find the source of their forgotten technology that will determine the fate of humanity.

 

Strike Team missions take many forms, including settlement defense and Remnant artifact recovery, which will take real-time to complete.

 

These missions will include a variety of thematically appropriate objectives, like defending a Settlement against Khet attacks, or recovering a Remnant artifact off of a planet before an outlaw gang gets there first.

 

Remnant Vault Raids: Find and activate Remnant Monoliths to unlock Remnant vaults. Explore abandoned Remnant ruins to find and locate a powerful artifact, but once you remove it you will trigger the vault defenses that will arm traps, activate defense robots and even change the architecture of the vault itself to stop you from escaping. Fight your way out of the vault and you will be rewarded with valuable loot, including powerful gear, crafting resources and Star Keys that can be used to unlock massive orbital facilities in space that grant permanent stat bonuses.

 

Optional Elite Remnant Vault Raids are scattered around the Helius Cluster located in special orbital facilities that are unlocked by Star Keys. Similar to the standard Remnant Vaults, you enter them to retrieve a special artifact which will trigger the vault defenses that arm traps, activate defense robots and change the architecture of the vault itself to stop you from escaping. However, Elite vaults ratchet up the difficulty of the encounter with increasingly powerful defense robots and traps, as well as roaming outlaws and deadly Khet patrols that are also in search of the elite artifacts. Elite Remnant vaults will test the limits of your combat and puzzle solving acumen, but with greater difficulty comes greater rewards. Gain rare loot, narrative acclaim and huge rewards for completing these daunting challenges.

[Han Shot First]

Although you might be correct I don't think the leak actually said the Remnant were still around. I got the impression they are probably extinct (use of past tense ie as you uncover who the remnant were) and it is their technology, architecture etc left around. We don't know that it was a civilisation collapse either but it is a fair assumption. This was all the times the Remnant were mentioned in the leak...

 

 

 

You're right. It doesn't look like that leak specifically states that these guys will still be hanging around. Assuming that leak is legit however, I suspect they will. The name remnant seems to suggest that. The word remnant means, "a small remaining quantity of something" which would be an odd choice to name a species that no longer remains. Ruins could be a remnant of course, but the leak seems to imply the word is used to refer to the species itself. 

 

The other reason why I think the Remnant will be encountered in the game if the leak is legit, is that an earlier leak of a supposed fan panel at Pax mentioned that we would be encountering two new alien species that are native to Andromeda. One of these species was described as ancient and powerful, which might align with the Remnant, and the other as arrogant, which might align with the later leak's mention of the aggressive Khet.

[Malanek]

 One of these species was described as ancient and powerful, which might align with the Remnant, and the other as arrogant, which might align with the later leak's mention of the aggressive Khet.

It's entirely possible you are correct about this but I don't recall the word ancient being used? I thought it was wise and diplomatic or something like that. I don't suppose you have a link to the original panel leak? Its entirely possible, I would even say likely, that there is at least another race that simply wasn't explicitly mentioned in the leak. If we do encounter living Remnants, then I suspect there will either be very few in numbers or will have forgotten what they were. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Han Shot First: I am REALLY hoping it was the Reapers.

 

The fanciful coincidence that we arrived at the collapse of the Andromeda galaxies "dark age" would... irritate me. 

 

I was kinda hoping "we" were the Remnant.

[camphor]

the Fermi paradox actually has a lot of speculative solves many of which can apply, simply technologically things get to a point were a single war wipes everything out. this of course only applys to biological life

[Han Shot First]

It's entirely possible you are correct about this but I don't recall the word ancient being used? I thought it was wise and diplomatic or something like that. I don't suppose you have a link to the original panel leak? Its entirely possible, I would even say likely, that there is at least another race that simply wasn't explicitly mentioned in the leak. If we do encounter living Remnants, then I suspect there will either be very few in numbers or will have forgotten what they were. 

 

 

New species/details for ME4 from BW's private fan panel

 

It will be interesting to see if any of that pans out. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I was kinda hoping "we" were the Remnant.

 

That would be awesome! Imagine if the technology we used to travel to Andromeda caused a time dilation and the journey took 100.000 years. While we were presumed missing after our experimental drive failed, the Milky Way species used conventional FTL to cover the distance, which only took them centuries. They colonized Andromeda, developed new technologies and then their civilization vanished mysteriously. Long after they are gone we arrive at the scene... and now we get to explore the remnants of our own species.

 

I'd love that so much.

[Paridave]

The question is, if the Reapers were the "Great Filter" for the Milky Way, and they weren't in Andromeda (because reasons)  Then why isn't Andromeda ruled by some godlike First Ones?

 

And why didn't they come to the Milky Way themselves?

Maybe it is.  Maybe they did.  Maybe the starbrat is their offspring.

[Han Shot First]

@Han Shot First: I am REALLY hoping it was the Reapers.

 

The fanciful coincidence that we arrived at the collapse of the Andromeda galaxies "dark age" would... irritate me. 

 

I was kinda hoping "we" were the Remnant.

 

I'm kind of hoping it was the Reapers as well, in part because it could provide an interesting way to reference Shepard's ending choice even though the action is set in an entirely different galaxy. It is possible at least that the Reapers could have been simultaneously annihilating a civilization in Andromeda at the time the Reaper War was being fought in the Milky Way, particularly if unlike the Milky Way, the Reapers had the element of surprise and that cycle was progressing according to plan. When Shepard makes the end game decision the Andromeda Reapers either retreat on command from either version of the Catalyst if Control or Synthesis is chosen, and either retreat or cease functioning if Shepard chose Destroy and annihilated the Catalyst.

 

The Remnant surviving would then be an unintentional consequence of Shepard's end game decision, without the writers having to address whether or not everyone in the Milky Way is now a cyborg. 

[Malanek]

 

 

New species/details for ME4 from BW's private fan panel

 

It will be interesting to see if any of that pans out. 

OK, does sound like them. They could be the robots left behind rather than the actual living beings.

[Malanek]

I was kinda hoping "we" were the Remnant.

That would be pretty cool.

[Paridave]

 

 

New species/details for ME4 from BW's private fan panel

 

It will be interesting to see if any of that pans out. 

From the leak, I'd say it was the Asari that got cut.

[Malanek]

From the leak, I'd say it was the Asari that got cut.

Although I suspect you're joking it did say 

 

next few things they showed us were really nice cg models of an asari, salarian, human, and krogan running in the new frostbite engine.

 

Which also tells us Salarians are likely there. Asari were always going to be. If we have only established a colony for a short period of time, say 200 years, it will be interesting to see how Asari adapt. They have much slower breeding cycles, so in contrast to the milky way their population should be low while the Salarians will have gone through several generations. If the Krogan can breed at full rate... well umm....

[camphor]

Although I suspect you're joking it did say 

 

next few things they showed us were really nice cg models of an asari, salarian, human, and krogan running in the new frostbite engine.

 

Which also tells us Salarians are likely there. Asari were always going to be. If we have only established a colony for a short period of time, say 200 years, it will be interesting to see how Asari adapt. They have much slower breeding cycles, so in contrast to the milky way their population should be low while the Salarians will have gone through several generations. If the Krogan can breed at full rate... well umm....

so actual question because i do not know, asari have very long lifespans, but from my understanding there isn't anything keeping them from popping out a kid every year i mean do we know how long asari gestation is? don't they basically choose when to get pregnant

 mean for all intensive purposes asari would be able to populate a planet incredibly quickly,same with krogan i assume salarians lay eggs not sure why

 

(holy crap do turians lay eggs?)

(wait asari dont have sex...how do they give birth....freaken rabbit hole no pun intended.)

[Malanek]

so actual question because i do not know, asari have very long lifespans, but from my understanding there isn't anything keeping them from popping out a kid every year i mean do we know how long asari gestation is? don't they basically choose when to get pregnant

 mean for all intensive purposes asari would be able to populate a planet incredibly quickly,same with krogan i assume salarians lay eggs not sure why

 

(holy crap do turians lay eggs?)

Hmmm we are getting off topic but I thought it took about 100 years before a young asari was ready to reproduce? By which time a human line could have gone through 4 generations. So although the Asari population could be quite big, it would consist largely of very young which is a different problem. But yeah I may be wrong about that.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

I am not sure the Fermi paradox applies here. For all we know we might be the first to discover intergalactic travel, so a first contact with a civilisation from Andromeda wasn't possible before.

 

The Reaper AI had limited energy/resources. It was tasked with finding a solution for the problem of organic/synthetic co-existence within the Leviathan empire. Other galaxies were never in its scope nor would it have had the resources to harvest another galaxy. It depended too much on the relay network and the mass effect technology present in the Milky Way.

 

Attacking another galaxy would also risk the loss of many Reaper vessels, which are the storage units for the harvested civilisations. The AI would violate its tasks if it didn't preserve organic life. Let's just ignore that it did so anyway in the Milky Way.

 

Trying to apply logic and scientific principles to the Mass Effect franchise will always fail. Everything is made up, almost nothing is based on science and the logic will fail because the ME universe isn't internally consistent.

theres also the other theory that alien civilizations know of us and want nothing to do with us because we're a bunch of amoral savages in their eyes.