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[Excella Gionne]

It was already risky when they made Shepard die for 2 years and the game was meant to be a Trilogy. Not to mention Reapers are also part of the problem.

[Chealec]

I still don't see what Witcher 3 revolutionized...

 

Gwent!

 

...and melee combat that actually (mostly) works well - just a few niggling camera/targeting issues. The mix of fluid swordplay, potion chugging and spell-slinging (with the odd bomb thrown in) has no competition from anything else on the market - OK, it was really the Witcher 2 that revolutionised swords/sorcery combat but the Witcher 3 built on that, improved it and added a crossbow!

 

There's something immensely satisfying when you dodge a dive-bombing Harpy, spin and lob and Aard sign at it to bring it crashing to earth - then finish it off when it's prone on the ground. If you're quick enough you can then turn and shoot another one with the crossbow before your stamina has even rebuilt enough for another Aard.

[Dr. Rush]

They're not going to lose the trust of anyone more than they already did with ME3. The people who really left in disgust are gone.

 

Frankly, that is why I think DAI is such a safe and bland game. They didn't need to make a great game, they just needed to make a safe game with a happy ending. And they succeeded, DAI wasn't great, but it didn't have any controversy or negativity nearly as bad as ME3 or DA2.

 

As for ME4, eh, they will definitely be under pressure, but this is an entirely different studio of developers, which probably makes it easier for them to distance themselves from the ME3 ending. They have their own pressures of living up to an established franchise with a highly demanding fanbase. 

[azarhal]

I think it has less to do with ME3 and more with the current state of WRPGs. With Witcher 3 progressing the genre in areas such as side quest and having an immersive open world........and Fallout 4 seemingly doing good with the mini bits such as allowing the player to create his/her experience through deep crafting/exploration options, a lot of people including myself is going to be looking to Bioware to see if they can add to the progression of the genre. Cool looking graphics and fancy cutscenes just isn't going to cut it. ME1 took the industry by surprise in 2007. What will ME:A bring to the table?

 

The Witcher 3 didn't progress anything, it was simply a very well made game that stick to its core from the previous two games but enlarged the maps (Witcher 1 atmosphere + Witcher 2 combat/storytelling and questing).

 

Fallout 4 does nothing that Planet Explorer doesn't already do in term of gameplay elements outside of better production values, a different setting and a voiced story (oh and no voxel, Planet Explorer is a voxel based game, you can literally design your own vehicle in it).

 

BioWare did quite a lot of progression with DAI when compared to their previous games, it was also set back by the old console gen support (memory limitations mostly), something neither The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 have to contend with.

[MattFini]

Frankly, that is why I think DAI is such a safe and bland game. They didn't need to make a great game, they just needed to make a safe game with a happy ending. And they succeeded, DAI wasn't great, but it didn't have any controversy or negativity nearly as bad as ME3 or DA2.

 

Very well put. I haven't even finished DA:I (I just crossed 120 hours) and while I think it's a solid game, it is quite bland and forgettable. Everything from the story, to most of the characters (only Cassandra, Dorian, and Varric really stand out to me), and the gameplay feels perfunctory, if acceptable. 

 

My only fear for Mass Effect: Andromeda is that it does become DA:I in space: big but bland and empty. 

 

Since Dragon Age and Mass Effect have always been their own animals, however, I'm trying not to worry about it. 

 

I continue to be very, very excited about ME:A.

[wolfsite]

Why would they be under pressure?  The company as a whole is coming off a great reception of Inquisition with many game of the year awards and praise from many people from within the industry.

 

The only issue is people who treat a negative opinion they have as a fact and assume that everyone else shares that opinion and that anything positive said is simply not true or does not exist. (not saying you are not entitled to an opinion, just saying a lot of people try to speak there opinion for everybody).

 

Frankly the only pressure that could be there is if they listen too much to the fan base and try to make something that pleases everyone.  People who do have issues with DA:I appear to be in areas where Bioware tried to appease fans by not having anything too jarring or controversial within the community. 

 

So the best thing they can do is make the game they want to make, then the consumer can ultimately decide with there wallet if the game is worth it or not.

 

[dreamgazer]

Gwent!

You mean the lackluster copypasta of Magic: The Gathering?
 

...and melee combat that actually (mostly) works well - just a few niggling camera/targeting issues. The mix of fluid swordplay, potion chugging and spell-slinging (with the odd bomb thrown in) has no competition from anything else on the market - OK, it was really the Witcher 2 that revolutionised swords/sorcery combat but the Witcher 3 built on that, improved it and added a crossbow!
 
There's something immensely satisfying when you dodge a dive-bombing Harpy, spin and lob and Aard sign at it to bring it crashing to earth - then finish it off when it's prone on the ground. If you're quick enough you can then turn and shoot another one with the crossbow before your stamina has even rebuilt enough for another Aard.

Both of these things were covered at the end of last-gen in Dragon's Dogma.

I'm a fan of The Witcher 3, but I'm struggling to see what it revolutionized as well. It just did most of the same old things well, especially hiding the repetitious side-quest formula, and other things just so-so. The one area where W3 felt like a big step ahead in next-gen gaming was with the seamlessness of freely exploring the world, and even that has a few limitations based on regions.

Well, that and the beard growth.

[Chardonney]

We were talking about ME:A would have to make up for the mistakes in the entire series, especially ME3.

 

Well, I personally have nothing bad to say about ME1 and ME2 (except the almost total absence of Kaidan in ME2). For me, it's the ME3 - even though still mostly being a good game - where a lot of things went completely haywire.

[azarhal]

I'm a fan of The Witcher 3, but I'm struggling to see what it revolutionized as well. It just did the most of the same old things well, especially hiding the repetitious side-quest formula, and other things just so-so. The one area where W3 felt like a big step ahead in next-gen gaming was with the seamlessness of freely exploring the world, and even that has a few limitations based on regions.

Well, that and the beard growth.

 

Beard growth was in the first Fable game released in 2004.

[dreamgazer]

Beard growth was in the first Fable game released in 2004.

Not this kind of dynamic beard growth, though.

[MattFini]

Not this kind of dynamic beard growth, though.

 

Wait, you can grow a beard in Witcher 3?

 

This makes me even happier to be receiving my copy in the mail today. 

[dreamgazer]

Wait, you can grow a beard in Witcher 3?
 
This makes me even happier to be receiving my copy in the mail today.

Not "you can". You do. It's a thing you have to manage with in-town barbers if you don't want to look like this perpetually:



If you don't feel like dealing with it, though, it's still a good look on him.

Spoiler

And apparently you can bypass the whole beard thing, if you want, by downloading the free facial hair add-on and selecting one of those options. Not really a fan of any of those, though.

[MattFini]

This is fantastic. 

[PhroXenGold]

Wait, you can grow a beard in Witcher 3?

 

This makes me even happier to be receiving my copy in the mail today. 

 

Growing a beard implies you didn't have on in the first place. What kind of man doesn't have a beard, and why would you want to play a game involving men without beards?

[UKStory135]

I was chatting with another forum user in a private message...  We were talking about ME:A would have to make up for the mistakes in the entire series, especially ME3.

 

I have high hopes for ME:A -- but I feel like after seeing a few users irate, that BioWare needs to get this game right or lose the trust of their fans forever.  

What do you guys think?

BW has a really hard job. There are people on here who want great game-play, others who would rather not play a game at all and just have a choose your own adventure movie, others want a turn based game, while others want it to be fully live.  No matter what happens people will be mad.  From all indications DA:I was a critically acclaimed game, but it still gets doo dooed on here.

[Jaulen]

Meh.

 

I am a ME3 ending hater.....in fact, never purchased any of the DLC for the game. Would I buy a remastered triology? Maybe, but probably not.

(Also as to the earlier Star War reference....after the first new one...never saw the other two...there was nothing redeeming in the first film to make me want to see the other two.....at least ME has redeeming bits)

 

I'm actually excited for ME:A....it's away from the ending of ME3, and hopefully there will be that thrill of exploration/discovery/mystery that I got when I played ME for he first time. And Bioware always has great companions.....I'm hoping that ME:A becomes a jumping off point for another 'same protag' series.

 

And I'm also excited for the new Star Wars films (will admit to crying seeing Han and Chewie in the trailer.....)

 

It's just, if I can fine something redeeming/that I enjoyed.....I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, and no matter how much I hated/loathed the last couple of miuntes for ME3, and how many other flaws were in the series overall......ME was still fun an memorable (I actually replayed again recently and just gritted my teeth through the last 15 minutes and my b*tching to my husband about the endings only lasted an hour or two instead of days).

 

Push them to be better, but ya gotta be realistic about it. And a company is forst and foremost about making money. I'd like to see Bioware do something innovative/be a little bold, instead of just try to copy/tweak ideas from other games/developers....

[xAmilli0n]

I was chatting with another forum user in a private message...  We were talking about ME:A would have to make up for the mistakes in the entire series, especially ME3.

 

I have high hopes for ME:A -- but I feel like after seeing a few users irate, that BioWare needs to get this game right or lose the trust of their fans forever.  

What do you guys think?

 

Meh.

 

Mass Effect isn't the only thing that defines BioWare. And fans will always find something to be angry about.  And they will still buy the game anyways.  And the next one.  And doesn't every sequel of every series have to make up for the mistakes of its predecessors?

[OhNoWhyHow]

I was chatting with another forum user in a private message...  We were talking about ME:A would have to make up for the mistakes in the entire series, especially ME3.

 

I have high hopes for ME:A -- but I feel like after seeing a few users irate, that BioWare needs to get this game right or lose the trust of their fans forever.  

What do you guys think?

 

DAI took a lot of positive steps in overcoming my growing Bioware distrust.  I can forgive them a few dudes in game development.  Even Pixar has a few stinkers.  

 

The thing that really set me off was the silly rhetoric they used in the face of all the ME3 ending criticism which was essentially "you people are unreasonable Philistines who don't understand art. ART!"  So long as this philosophy has been thoroughly expunged, I'm fine even if the game isn't amazing. 

[N7Jamaican]

Gwent was fun... Kinda..

[In Exile]

Growing a beard implies you didn't have on in the first place. What kind of man doesn't have a beard, and why would you want to play a game involving men without beards?

 

Men who have taste. Beards are awful. And TW3 annoys the hell out of me. It's a pain in the ass to shave IRL, and now I have to do it in games too? Ugh. 

[CronoDragoon]

If we're talking about BioWare as a whole, then their pressure game was Dragon Age: Inquisition. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 were both games that generated considerable negative press for the studio (for very different reasons) and 3 games with negative buzz around the interwebz would have been a real problem, and possibly the end of the DA series. By and large, DAI has been a big success for them critically, financially, and in terms of player reception, so they've bought themselves a bit of leeway for MEA.

 

There's no such thing as a company losing trust forever. There's a saying in the industry that you're only as good as your last game. That works both ways. If MEA releases and someone doesn't like it, but then BW releases the next ME game and they do, then that person is back in. People are fickle and don't bother to stick by their dramatic promises.

[Big Bad]

Very few people hated the ME3 ending more than I did (and still do!), but I really enjoyed many other aspects of the game, and I look forward to ME:A.  If it's a good game, people will buy it.  I don't think that BW needs to feel under any more pressure than they would normally be under with the release of a major game. 

[The Night Haunter]

Honestly after DA2 and ME2 I was on that boat. ME3 (apart from the ending) brought back a lot of my goodwill, and DAI brought me the rest of the way.

I do like their older games (DAO, ME1, KotOR, JE) more than their new efforts, but I trust that at the very least MEA and DA4 (Or DAI:Expansion as the case may be) will be good games, I have that much faith in Bioware now. If ME:A lives up to its potential as the new ME then I could be brought all the way back to expecting great games from Bioware, but for the moment I am just expecting good games, and they are living up to expectations.