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[stysiaq]

BioWare is a developer immune to fan outrage and press darlings. I doubt they are under pressure.

With ME:A being possibly as far away from ME3 as possible (different galaxy, different team, different project manager) I doubt it will even resemble previous games save for the species, N7 troops and overall flair. Being so far away - literally - also means the issues raised by ME3 can be just forgotten. Water under the bridge.

 

Maybe it will be great, maybe it will be worse than ME3. It will sell regardless, some people still hoping for it to be more of an RPG than a TPP shooter will yell, most will enjoy the game.

[Booth]

Why do consumers "trust" big companies that are in large-scale production in capitalism at all? The companies itself (so their "system" and the resulting attitudes and workflows) dont care for a few fans or any single person. They are only interested in maximizing profit. If more profit would mean to leave a little group and their wishes, they WILL do so.

 

On the other hand: Why should I not buy a product of a company that produced many products before I didnt like?

 

The strange thing with capitalism is, that one main dogma is the "h-o-m-o oeconomicus" who always is rational and looks for his advantage. On the other hand "brands" are so important and all companies try to catch customers emotionally or even make them/us to "fans". Cause a "fan" is meant to be someone who will buy almost blind any product. By that definition I am not "fan" of any company.

 

The Mass Effect trilogy is my absolutely favorite game experience in over 25 years. But that does not mean I would buy ME-andromeda without looking quite detailed what it will be like. They have to convince me with every product again. ALL companies have to do so. Cause I dont trust them. Cause they dont trust or even care for me as a single person. Thats capitalism...

[corporal doody]

Only Under Pressure i wanna hear about is from these two here...

 

[stysiaq]

Why do consumers "trust" big companies that are in large-scale production in capitalism at all? The companies itself (so their "system" and the resulting attitudes and workflows) dont care for a few fans or any single person. They are only interested in maximizing profit. If more profit would mean to leave a little group and their wishes, they WILL do so.

 

On the other hand: Why should I not buy a product of a company that produced many products before I didnt like?

 

The strange thing with capitalism is, that one main dogma is the "h-o-m-o oeconomicus" who always is rational and looks for his advantage. On the other hand "brands" are so important and all companies try to catch customers emotionally or even make them/us to "fans". Cause a "fan" is meant to be someone who will buy almost blind any product. By that definition I am not "fan" of any company.

 

The Mass Effect trilogy is my absolutely favorite game experience in over 25 years. But that does not mean I would buy ME-andromeda without looking quite detailed what it will be like. They have to convince me with every product again. ALL companies have to do so. Cause I dont trust them. Cause they dont trust or even care for me as a single person. Thats capitalism...

 

That's because you're a mature person that makes rational decisions (like not trusting big companies that their product will be good) whereas a big part of online community are young and don't understand there is no "quest for redemption after ME3 debacle", just a business plan.

[Jester]

because of the ME3 ending, i will wait to hear what fans think of the ME:A ending before i buy the game.  I no longer have any trust in them given the ME3 ending and the nerf balancing of star wars the old republic.  But i will buy Fallout 4, even pre-order it because i trust bethesda.

Well, apparently BioWare doesn't know how to make endings now.

Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age Inquisition... They all have very disappointing endings and final missions. 

 

I don't understand why that is, after all they struck gold with ME2's and DA:O's final mission, and now it's getting worse and worse.

Weak endings are merely a consequence of that. 

[Kel Eligor]

Don't know about Bioware, but I doubt EA was happy about the PR disaster that surrounded ME3. A repeat probably means no more Mass Effect.

As of Q4 of 2012, Mass Effect 3 had grossed over $200 million, and critics and reviewers universally praised it. There was only backlash with a vocal portion of the fanbase over the ending - saying that everyone did is an oversimplified generalization. I think EA honestly didn't care about the press. 

[Belhawk]

saying that things are going great for BW is a stretch.  It is going well, but the me3 ending has hurt them.  I remember 100s of pages of gans tell BW to drop dead, never buying another BW again, & cancelled there sub to Star Wars.  It went from strictly a subscription game to f2p, and they had to consolidate servers.  The servers population used to be at least heavy in the evening, now it doesn't get above standard.  For 90cc u can transfer to another server, so it appears another another server consolidation is coming.  What is helping them is all the packets people buy from the online store, and i am one of them.  Also, the new DLC is free to subs.

I do hope BW does turn things round and the ME:A is good.  They have made good games in the past, and i hope they get back to it. 

[LinksOcarina]

saying that things are going great for BW is a stretch.  It is going well, but the me3 ending has hurt them.  I remember 100s of pages of gans tell BW to drop dead, never buying another BW again, & cancelled there sub to Star Wars.  It went from strictly a subscription game to f2p, and they had to consolidate servers.  The servers population used to be at least heavy in the evening, now it doesn't get above standard.  For 90cc u can transfer to another server, so it appears another another server consolidation is coming.  What is helping them is all the packets people buy from the online store, and i am one of them.  Also, the new DLC is free to subs.

I do hope BW does turn things round and the ME:A is good.  They have made good games in the past, and i hope they get back to it. 

 

Yeah, I remember that too. But those people were acting ridiculously childish in the first place, much like most of the internet and...I hate to say it, the "nerd population" on the whole. 

 

I just see it in almost anything; this like desire to criticize something because its too mainstream, or objectionable to their tastes, or thinking they know better. A documentary I saw a while back, the People vs. George Lucas, pretty much is the poster boy of this mentality, fandoms and fanboys are insane when they become so emotionally invested into something with pop culture. Mass Effect happened to be one of them.

 

And I think it's a shame, because I know the fanbase on the whole is better than that. 

[DanAxe]

After ME3 every new Bioware game is a "make it or break it" thing.... Yet Bioware is still here and going strong. I hate it to see people going "oh this next game better be good, or Bioware will implode and make no more games ever".... It wont happen. While the games make a profit, EA will keep it running. As for feeling this kind of pressure from fans.... I think every game developer feels the pressure while developing a game, especially if developing a game with a known and loved/hated IP.

 

No offense OP, but this argument is getting old and discussing it leads nowhere. All we can do is wait and see what they have in store for ME:A. Then we can discuss it if it "made it or broke it".

[saladinbob]

BioWare is a developer immune to fan outrage and press darlings. I doubt they are under pressure.

With ME:A being possibly as far away from ME3 as possible (different galaxy, different team, different project manager) I doubt it will even resemble previous games save for the species, N7 troops and overall flair. Being so far away - literally - also means the issues raised by ME3 can be just forgotten. Water under the bridge.

 

Maybe it will be great, maybe it will be worse than ME3. It will sell regardless, some people still hoping for it to be more of an RPG than a TPP shooter will yell, most will enjoy the game.

 

 

They're definitely press darlings and can do no wrong in the eyes of the gaming media but they are most certainly not immune to fan outrage. The problem isn't with Bioware, it's not with EA, it's with too many knobheads being willing to pre-order everything based simply on them getting a different gun that does no more or less damage than the other gun some other retailer is offering or any of the thirty odd guns already in the game. When people learn not to pre-order and only buy once they've read forums and not gaming media reviews, only then will companies be inclined to up their game and release things to a higher standard than they do now.

[Scofield]

IMO the ME team will be benefiting from what the DA:I team learned while working on the FB3 engine, not to mention the various tools that they had to create to get DA:I working on FB3. so there right away is alot of pressure off the ME team an no doubt alot of time/resources spared to be spent in other areas the DA:I team had to probably neglect

 

ME:A should be the better game, it will be built on the back of the work the DA:I team had to do so if it isnt then i will be scratching my head an wondering why.

 

There is pressure (like there always is) but i think it be a different pressure

[shepskisaac]

Why do consumers "trust" big companies that are in large-scale production in capitalism at all? The companies itself (so their "system" and the resulting attitudes and workflows) dont care for a few fans or any single person. They are only interested in maximizing profit. If more profit would mean to leave a little group and their wishes, they WILL do so.

Not all companies are the same. There are movie studios that are only interested in releasing whatever crap sells and there are those that along with making profit are genuiely still interested in the art of moviemaking and would like to at least attempt to make good movies, not just Transformers.

 

Same goes for gaming publishers. There's EA and there are publishers like Squeenix that at least aspire to make good games (even if they keep screwing up) and seem interested in the art of game developement

[LinksOcarina]

Not all companies are the same. There are movie studios that are only interested in releasing whatever crap sells and there are those that along with making profit are genuiely still interested in the art of moviemaking and would like to at least attempt to make good movies, not just Transformers.

 

Same goes for gaming publishers. There's EA and there are publishers like Squeenix that at least aspire to make good games (even if they keep screwing up) and seem interested in the art of game developement

 

Yes, because EA doesn't care about making good games or the art of game development. Doesn't care at all...

 

No offense, but that is the biggest crock of **** I have heard in a while, especially since EA has published and developed a lot more unique I.Ps in the past few years. Maybe not on the Square Enix level of new, but hey, at least their games are good.

[shepskisaac]

Yes, because EA doesn't care about making good games or the art of game development. Doesn't care at all...

 

No offense, but that is the biggest crock of **** I have heard in a while, especially since EA has published and developed a lot more unique I.Ps in the past few years. Maybe not on the Square Enix level of new, but hey, at least their games are good.

Aside from Amalur which was once again EA chasing trends, the games you mentioned come from early John Riccitiello period which yes, started really good. And then the entire company went right back to its old tricks with more shutdowns, sequels, rushed releases, chasing trends even harder etc

[fyz306903]

 

Immediately made me think of that...

 

At any rate, people have been saying that exact thing for every release since DA2 (and probably before, if we're being real)...people who are still buying Bioware games and complaining about them on the internet...

Yeah, people do that with films as well. When will people (not just Bioware fans, obviously) realise that they should wait for reviews of a film/video game then if they don't like it...don't buy it! Buying something then moaning about it solves nothing (unless it's because the game's buggy, but I mean moaning about plot/gameplay/protagonist actions etc.) because the company still makes money. If someone doesn't like something, they should just forget about it and spend their time enjoying something they do like, not moaning about something they don't. 

[LinksOcarina]

Aside from Amalur which was once again EA chasing trends, the games you mentioned come from early John Riccitiello period which yes, started really good. And then the entire company went right back to its old tricks with more shutdowns, sequels, rushed releases, chasing trends even harder etc

 

Big presumption there though.

 

For one, a new I.P is being made by BioWare, which says a lot regarding the state of EA games.

 

The revival of Star Wars Battlefront, and Mirrors Edge 2, are welcome editions as well. Plus we know they are pushing into smaller game territory more aggressively, Unravel is their first foray into the creative partners revival. Plus companies like Activision don't invest over $80 million dollars into new technology and development incentives, or servers for online, or even Origin.

 

Let's also analyze those shutdowns now.

 

EA Maxis, for example, is still kicking, they just shut down one studio. Victory Games was shut down because their plans for Command and Conquer were not well received, their mobile division suffered cutbacks, but overall the company continues to put forth a fairly diverse gaming portfolio. Not to mention most of the staff is often retained during shutdowns now a days, or at the very least, under Riccitello EA would help people find jobs elsewhere. 

 

Sequels...get over it already. Yearly Madden and Fifa, I get it, people don't like it, but they aren't like my brother who loves sports games and loves to pick them up every year. It is literally the only games he plays.

 

So I get why they make them, people want them. Is that a bad business decision?

 

I also fail to see any game being rushed at this point, unless you know something I don't. If Inquisition was considered rushed, after 4 years of development...thats an internal problem with BioWare, not EA.

 

So yeah, big presumption on all of that. 

[DarthLaxian]

Of those games listed only Fallout is really going to actually compete with MEA.

 

Witcher will not only have been out for 1.5+ years by then, but it only bears a passing similarity to DA, it bears no similarity at all to ME.

Fallout will have been out for a year and its premise is very different, it is essentially ES in a post apocalyptic setting, it is as similar to ME as Skyrim is to DA, which is not very much.

 

The games that might actually be competing are CDPR's CyberPunk game (although it has no release date, nor much info yet, very similar to MEA).

 

 

Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere Bioware is doing great. DAI sales were good, SWTOR is actually making money and the Fallen Knights xpac actually looks to be moving the game in a good direction (large focus on episodic story telling). Bioware isn't in trouble and there most recent games have been steps up. DAI was much better than DA2, ME3 was much better than ME2 (bar the ending, which is kinda almost fixed now). Hopefully they will continue this upward trend until they finally reach the point they were at a decade ago with DAO and ME.

 

What the? - ME3 is not better than ME2 (except for one thing: actual gameplay (much more smothly...with the exception of the "one button does everything" -.-))...sure DA:I is better than DA2 (but that's not that hard, is it...make the same game and do not re-use the dungeon over and over and BAM you already have a way way better game -.-), but it's not as great as DA:O!

 

SWTOR...well, I've not played that for ages (so I wouldn't know)

 

I didn't say they were in trouble financially - they are in trouble when it comes to their credibility among fans (particularly the PC-Crowd...after all we aren't as limited as the consoles and we don't appreciate not having "click to loot" (and the character moving to the object we want looted on its own!) and other things (like having to button mash in order to stay close if you are a melee character etc. and we do appreciate a deep story more, too (come on, the story of DA:I for the most part is incredibly weak -.-))

 

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[canarius]

If they are thinking of making it anything like Inquisition, then they better feel under pressure. I don't want the sequel to my favorite video game franchise to be a failure like Inquisition.

[Arcian]

I was chatting with another forum user in a private message...  We were talking about ME:A would have to make up for the mistakes in the entire series, especially ME3.

 

I have high hopes for ME:A -- but I feel like after seeing a few users irate, that BioWare needs to get this game right or lose the trust of their fans forever.  

What do you guys think?

Well, since you asked...

 

They can't get this game right. To make it right, they'd have to call it Mass Effect: Milky Way - they lost the moment they unveiled the title.

[shepskisaac]

Big presumption there though.

 

For one, a new I.P is being made by BioWare, which says a lot regarding the state of EA games.

 

The revival of Star Wars Battlefront, and Mirrors Edge 2, are welcome editions as well. Plus we know they are pushing into smaller game territory more aggressively, Unravel is their first foray into the creative partners revival. Plus companies like Activision don't invest over $80 million dollars into new technology and development incentives, or servers for online, or even Origin.

You're talking EA now. There's a BIG gap between 2015 with EA under new CEO and 2008/2009 when Riccitiello's short-lived good period ended.

 

 

Let's also analyze those shutdowns now.

 

[...] So yeah, big presumption on all of that.

Let's not. We would need entire day listing all the studios EA bought, run into ground and then closed. It's just facts and the company aquired massive negative reputation for it over the years for a reason. It didn't "just happen"

[X Equestris]

If they are thinking of making it anything like Inquisition, then they better feel under pressure. I don't want the sequel to my favorite video game franchise to be a failure like Inquisition.

I think we can safely say Inquisition wasn't a failure. You may not like it, but not liking something doesn't make your opinion fact.

[Madrict]

I don't get all the hate for ME3, it is one of my favourites. The endings are fine since they did the extended cut and Citadel DLC....like seriously, I thought it was fantastic and I have played it a few times through.

[JAMiAM]

Men who have taste. Beards are awful. And TW3 annoys the hell out of me. It's a pain in the ass to shave IRL, and now I have to do it in games too? Ugh. 

Clearly, you've drunk too much of Gillette's marketing Kool-Aid...;^)